How do you cope without a sub?

bebynnag · August 2017

create a guild invite lots of random new players, prevent people from depositing/withdrawing from guild bank = 500 extra inventry!

Bombashaman · August 2017

I have never played this game with subscription, so I don't know what I am missing, but for inventory management I just use mules.

Smmokkee · August 2017

Its to easy to not be a sub. Store all crafting items in bank. Keep all gear associated with that character in that characters inventory. Delete/sell/deconstruct all the bs that you "may use someday."

skywarnmc27 · August 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

I look at it like this. If I play only three hours a month subscribing is a bargain compared to going to a movie or just about any other kind of entertainment. Personally I would probably sub even without the benefits. That said being able to craft something I need with any character I happen to be on is nice. Materials going straight to a crafting bag instead of taking up inventory when I am taking a character through public dungeons or just out and about killing things is really nice. Frees up a whole lot of time where I can do what I find fun instead of trying to manage inventory.

I'm a hoarder though I suppose. I got a 2nd account when Amazon had a sale and send gear I know I won't use a while to that account. One character has over 100 rings I will probably never use.

Does a movie where you live cost 17 USD? If so Christ talk about taxes.

qsnoopyjr · August 2017

wtf do you need craft bag for.... if all you doing is hoarding items.

Just sell the items... No need to hoard every single item in the game.

Yet many of us are hoard freaks, all you do is make mules. Simple
Focus on one character, dont play game trying to play all the characters.

Surgee · August 2017

Runs wrote: »

I have 3 accounts.

Account 1 I play. Banker and Merchant both save a lot of time running to town. When inventory is full of stuff I don't save or vendor it gets mailed out to account 2.

The second account is set up as such;
Character 1 gets the mail from main account. Then deconstructs all gear and places all materials in bank.

Character 2 holds alchemy materials.

Character 3 holds blacksmithing materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Character 4 holds clothing materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Character 5 holds enchanting materials.

Character 6 holds style and trait items.

Character 7 holds provisioning materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Character 8 holds woodworing materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Account 3 is overflow alchemy, enchanting, style and trait mats. It also holds non bound furnishings that I don't wish to part with yet, and non bound equipment I am saving for sets.

This and other tips help to tackle the issue a bit. The problem is the game becomes a chore. It seems like it's easier to plan and execute a wedding party for a group of 1000. Games are supposed to be fun and if they are not, people stop playing them. If people are having fun in the game, they will spend money.I wish ZOS would understand that. The moment people will be saying "shut up and take my money" instead of "give me back my money!" you know they're having fun.

Surgee · August 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

wtf do you need craft bag for.... if all you doing is hoarding items.

Just sell the items... No need to hoard every single item in the game.

Yet many of us are hoard freaks, all you do is make mules. Simple
Focus on one character, dont play game trying to play all the characters.

Nah I don't hoard items, just got mats for my 3 professions. Make it 4...I forgot ZOS added new mats for home decorations just to force the crafting bag even more. I didn't play Morrowind yet...any new mats there? I wouldn't be surprised. It's crazy how many slots they take.

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

I have 3 accounts.

Account 1 I play. Banker and Merchant both save a lot of time running to town. When inventory is full of stuff I don't save or vendor it gets mailed out to account 2.

The second account is set up as such;
Character 1 gets the mail from main account. Then deconstructs all gear and places all materials in bank.

Character 2 holds alchemy materials.

Character 3 holds blacksmithing materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Character 4 holds clothing materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Character 5 holds enchanting materials.

Character 6 holds style and trait items.

Character 7 holds provisioning materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Character 8 holds woodworing materials, when a stack is full it gets listed at trader.

Account 3 is overflow alchemy, enchanting, style and trait mats. It also holds non bound furnishings that I don't wish to part with yet, and non bound equipment I am saving for sets.

This and other tips help to tackle the issue a bit. The problem is the game becomes a chore. It seems like it's easier to plan and execute a wedding party for a group of 1000. Games are supposed to be fun and if they are not, people stop playing them. If people are having fun in the game, they will spend money.I wish ZOS would understand that. The moment people will be saying "shut up and take my money" instead of "give me back my money!" you know they're having fun.

Bank Manger and Advanced Filters pretty much solve the problem completely...

If you're on console, you're SOL, but on PC, inventory management is very easy.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · August 2017

Malic wrote: »

surplus and non essentials gets sold much quicker and converted to gold.

^This. After I dropped my sub and bank space started getting tight, I started looked at what I could dump. Those sets I'm not using? They've been taking up space for months and I haven't used them yet, sell or decon. Those stacks of provisioning mats? Do I really need three stacks of Flour? I think not; sell off all but one.

The only things really taking up ludicrous amounts of space now are Writ Surveys and treasure maps, and I stopped doing dailies a while ago.

dpencil1 · August 2017

No sub is easier under certain conditions:
1. You only really play 1 or 2 characters
2. You have already reached max crafting and research levels
3. You don't feel compelled to save everything that "might" be useful down the road when you finally decide to actually play another character.

Even being a bit guilty when it comes to #3 I do ok. The free sub weekend was nice too because I was able to get the lower level mats one of my mules was holding into the craft bag.

kargen27 · August 2017

Megabear wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I look at it like this. If I play only three hours a month subscribing is a bargain compared to going to a movie or just about any other kind of entertainment. Personally I would probably sub even without the benefits. That said being able to craft something I need with any character I happen to be on is nice. Materials going straight to a crafting bag instead of taking up inventory when I am taking a character through public dungeons or just out and about killing things is really nice. Frees up a whole lot of time where I can do what I find fun instead of trying to manage inventory.

I'm a hoarder though I suppose. I got a 2nd account when Amazon had a sale and send gear I know I won't use a while to that account. One character has over 100 rings I will probably never use.

This is the same excuse everyone uses. "I could be spending money at a bar instead". You could NOT go to a bar and not subscribe to ZOS and you'll be just fine. Also if you look at your finances more closely you'll notice that they are generally small things, small things that add up.

I started thinking the opposite way at a certain point in my life. Hey I could be saving this much money instead of spending it. Prior to this I had very small savings. After I changed my way of thinking I grew substantial amount of saving and eventually bought a home.

My point is, you need the money, not ZOS. They own many companies, you don't.

My point was as entertainment goes this is very cheap. Sure if you don't want to spend any money on entertainment ever then subscribing would be a no go. Then again purchasing the game kind of same category. If you do spend money on entertainment the cost per hour for subscribing is really low compared to most other activities.

I'm debt free, own my home and have my own company not that it matters for the point I was making.

You can get the same entertainment without spending money on subscription fee that basically gets you crafting bag. It's not about whether the fee is high or low, it's about whether the money you're spending on is worth what you're getting. The base game? Hell yeah it's worth it. Morrowind? Not really, but I'm willing to spend money on it. $12.99~$14.99 for crafting bag per month? No, definitely not worth my money. You do get 1500 Crowns per month, but even if you sub for 6 months at a time cost of 5500 Crowns would be $24 during Crown sale vs $47.63 w/ 6 months sub. I only need the Crown, not the crafting bag, so there is no reason for me to subscribe. I tried subscribing for 1 month and I realized I really do not need the bag. I'll stock up on Crown next time it's on sale and call it a day.

No I can't get the same entertainment. I like running around in dungeons and delves or sometimes just start on one side of a zone and kill/harvest everything that crosses my path as I travel to the other side. Bags fill up very quick which means spending time dealing with inventory. I would rather run amok in game than stand in a bank or in front of a merchant trying to decide what to keep or get rid of. It helps having a banker that travels with me but even that still eats into my running amok time. I get to do more of what I want to do in the time I spend in game. That makes subbing worth it for me.

As a side note sometimes when waiting on guild events to start I play around with a home. The added slots comes in handy for that little distraction. For you subscribing isn't worth it, for me it is. So I guess it is good ZoS accommodates us both.

failkiwib16_ESO · August 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Hello,
I've been thinking of going back into the game with a bunch of friends but we reminded ourselves that there is no craft bag without a sub and devs keep on adding new ingredients just to make it worse. Did anything change in the past few months? Was there maybe a home storage added to the game or something of that sort? Or maybe subscription got more benefits? Right now the need of a subscription to store crafting ingredients is the only thing that keeps us away from coming back and buying Morrowind.
What're your thoughts? Any tips?
Thanks!

This game is utter clutter collection, if you don't want to subscribe, then you have to wait and watch one loading screen after another, just to store extra items on your mule characters.

Alternatively snare and convince 10 low level noobs to join a guild you create, just to have a personal guildbank unlocked. But even that will create issues, as many items (such as Treasure Maps) can not be banked in guildbank and you have to use mule-characters...

The issue is, if you play casually and not competitively then you can get away with not having a subscription. Your time is your own and you can do with it as you please, and it will not affect you negatively.

If you intend to play competitively and do dungeons everyday, then subscription is a must - because you don't want to be in this situation:
>>get an invitation to dungeon.
>>respond with: "Guys, wait for me 15-20min to get to bank to put all my poop in, then relog to 6 other characters to withdraw the items, so I have inventory space left to join<3".

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · August 2017

Get a mule or a few

Get your own personal guild bank to store mats in - very very handy - 500 slots

Max your bank space and try upgrading space on all your characters.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · August 2017

svartorn wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

I've only subscribed for one month. Devs do seem to starve players of inventory space but if you're smart about things it's manageable. My setup is below:

Personal Bank: Provisions and whatever I farm up, to be distributed to mules later
Personal Guild Bank: Full stacks of mats & max lvl provisions, BoE gears for selling/storage, miscellaneous
Character with Treasure Hunter passive: Treasure Maps
Dedicated Crafting Char: Trait, Styles and Improvement mats
Mule #1: Enchant & Alchemy mats
Mule #2: Blacksmithing, Wood Crafting, Clothing and Furniture mats except Improvement mats
Mule #3: Monster Sets
Mule #4: Bound Sets

- I used to store stuff for research in guild bank but I'm almost done now. However I regret doing so since I could have just spent couple hundred gold and buy what I need instead.

- Every morning i train horses and I use that time to unload all my stuff in the bank to my mules. I am very selective about which gears to keep and which traits to keep so I haven't ran out of space so far. I have 4 more character slots I can unlock so I think I'll be fine.

- I use provisions pretty much right away and as I level up new characters I purchase recipes in advance to make this happen.

Basically once you have a system down not having subscription becomes a non-issue. I only subscribe if I need Crown and I will renew subscription for the same reason, not because I need a crafting bag.

Its unfathomable why people would go through such time wasting efforts to avoid paying $12.

It's starts to add up though 12 dorrar in 1 year is 144 dorrar.

Once you know how to manage inventory it's not really that big of an issue, more just an annoyance especially if you're one of those doing writs and getting hireling mails on multiple chars.

SilverIce58 · August 2017

Malic wrote: »

Mule's. I had a sub for years until they breached and sold DLC outside of the subscription. It was a pain at first but its actually worked out better as I now have to be mindful of what I am carrying and excess, surplus and non essentials gets sold much quicker and converted to gold.

Honestly 100% this. Sure my bank might be filled with mats, but there's always about 10-15 slots in case I make a new character and have to send him armor. My character's bag spaces however are always emptied when they get full (usually after a dgn or 2), and once emptied the bag only has like around 10 items in it.

PocketNova · August 2017

I've been a non-sub for about a week now and am coping much better than I expected tbh.

I have no plans on subbing again this year (financial reasons, not game related). I also don't plan on buying any more crowns unless (and only if) they are on sale, even then I don't know. My desire for paying for anything ESO related has completely evaporated.

To get around my full bank/lack of ability to deposit into my crafting bag I give my friend (who is still subbed) all my mats. I don't need em and have so many sitting in my bag any way they're wasting space.

My poor house is so over the furnishing limit (600 something out of 700) it's probably (alongside costume dying) one of two things I'll miss the most. I've had to put spare furnishings in storage houses until they increase the limit well above my current point.

As for DLC's. I own Wrothgar and TG, I hate IC and will never buy it, I have no plans on buying DB unless it goes on sale next year. No interest in the dungeon DLC's and I own Morrowind so I'm not missing any content.

Part of me wonders why I kept paying $15 for so long. I don't even want to calculate how much money I've spent, it'd just depress me.

Brrrofski · August 2017

ESO plus is well worth it. I spend the cost on lunch sometimes. It's a no brainer - the stuff you get for the cost is great.

CrisXD · August 2017

Brrrofski wrote: »

ESO plus is well worth it. I spend the cost on lunch sometimes. It's a no brainer - the stuff you get for the cost is great.

exactly! Sub is £10 a month here in the UK which is nothing when you consider how much weekly takeaways are going to rack up to by the end of the month

If you enjoy playing the game then its worth a little investment, whether it be for a couple of months or a year. Your getting something out of it and you always have the option to cancel. Personally i say its money well spent.

TheShadowScout · August 2017

Surgee wrote: »

How do you cope without a sub?

mesmerizedish wrote: »

I play the Stalker's route in Ladykiller in a Bind.

Wait, I misunderstood the question.

What was I thinking when I saw that question?
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But generally, I have been subby ever since I started with ESO back in summer 2014, and never once regretted it yet...

Beardimus · August 2017

If you craft or hoard you gotta sub

You can use mules but it's a time.burn. I have limited play time so in my head I 'buy' 1500 crowns each month and get free bag / double bank etc

Narvuntien · August 2017

I am constantly selling my mats instead of hoarding them.
Basically I turn mats into gold and then buy them back if I need them again.

Also I decon pretty much anything I don't have a reasonable expectation of needing anytime soon.

JKorr · August 2017

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

wtf do you need craft bag for.... if all you doing is hoarding items.

Just sell the items... No need to hoard every single item in the game.

Yet many of us are hoard freaks, all you do is make mules. Simple
Focus on one character, dont play game trying to play all the characters.

I sub. What I would spend on a movie and popcorn for two hours covers the whole month of ESO. If I went out for drinks/concert/entertainment with friends it would cost a lot more for the evening's worth of entertainment than a month of ESO.

I'm a crafter for the 4 guilds I belong to. I make gear for guildies under cp160 for free. I keep mats of all levels; my alts have their crafting skills stopped at the level of mats I want to collect.

I could not sub, but I'd rather spend the time playing instead of doing the inventory shuffle. I could do it, of course. Everyone who was here before the crafting bag started knows how to do that. I'd just rather not. This game is one of the cheapest hobbies I ever started.

JamilaRaj · August 2017

kargen27 wrote: »

Megabear wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

I look at it like this. If I play only three hours a month subscribing is a bargain compared to going to a movie or just about any other kind of entertainment. Personally I would probably sub even without the benefits. That said being able to craft something I need with any character I happen to be on is nice. Materials going straight to a crafting bag instead of taking up inventory when I am taking a character through public dungeons or just out and about killing things is really nice. Frees up a whole lot of time where I can do what I find fun instead of trying to manage inventory.

I'm a hoarder though I suppose. I got a 2nd account when Amazon had a sale and send gear I know I won't use a while to that account. One character has over 100 rings I will probably never use.

This is the same excuse everyone uses. "I could be spending money at a bar instead". You could NOT go to a bar and not subscribe to ZOS and you'll be just fine. Also if you look at your finances more closely you'll notice that they are generally small things, small things that add up.

I started thinking the opposite way at a certain point in my life. Hey I could be saving this much money instead of spending it. Prior to this I had very small savings. After I changed my way of thinking I grew substantial amount of saving and eventually bought a home.

My point is, you need the money, not ZOS. They own many companies, you don't.

My point was as entertainment goes this is very cheap. Sure if you don't want to spend any money on entertainment ever then subscribing would be a no go. Then again purchasing the game kind of same category. If you do spend money on entertainment the cost per hour for subscribing is really low compared to most other activities.

I'm debt free, own my home and have my own company not that it matters for the point I was making.

You are not paying for entertainment however, much less getting a bargain. You already paid for entertainment. In addition, you bought carefully designed flaw with it, which will not go away unless you pay some more.
This is quite common P2W tactics, where a company spots and exacerbates some issuse, if not outright introduces it, and then sells "remedy" to it.

notimetocare · August 2017

Surgee wrote: »

Hello,
I've been thinking of going back into the game with a bunch of friends but we reminded ourselves that there is no craft bag without a sub and devs keep on adding new ingredients just to make it worse. Did anything change in the past few months? Was there maybe a home storage added to the game or something of that sort? Or maybe subscription got more benefits? Right now the need of a subscription to store crafting ingredients is the only thing that keeps us away from coming back and buying Morrowind.
What're your thoughts? Any tips?
Thanks!

My alt acct and friend without a sub has no issue with mats. Sub is incredibly easy by comparison, but keep in mind both didnt exist for a long time and the number of material has not gone up that substantially