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Stamina players is getting left behind too much now...
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Sunah✭✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »
@SunahApexSwoledier81 wrote: »Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.
40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.
In what world is 40k DPS considered low? O_o
@Sneaky-Snurr
I wasn't the one that said it was low haha. He quoted me when I said stam dps is hitting 40k. That guy is clearly full of crap if 40k is low.
That or hes a dummy *** hitting 50k. Which is easy at that point.Edited by Sunah on August 3, 2017 8:32PM1 -
Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »
@SunahApexSwoledier81 wrote: »Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.
40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.
In what world is 40k DPS considered low? O_o
@Sneaky-Snurr
I wasn't the one that said it was low haha. He quoted me when I said stam dps is hitting 40k. That guy is clearly full of crap if 40k is low.
That or hes a dummy *** hitting 50k. Which is easy at that point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j2RqGeoOUA
And in an actual raid environment, dps is much higher than on a dummy. Granted you're not hitting nearly that high on boss fights with a lot of movement though, which is obviously a disadvantage for melee in those fights.
https://i.imgur.com/H8fjVU6.png
Apology accepted.
Edited by ApexSwoledier81 on August 3, 2017 8:57PM1 -
getemshauna✭✭✭✭✭OP is clueless. Staminas currently hit around 10k more single target DPS than Magicka.Founder of Call of the Undaunted
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anyway , for me stamina Nb now is the only playable char in medium on pvp ( cyro) .
Do you want to see the damage I take on the medium armour ? ( i play nbs , stamplar and dks )
It often happens that while i using proc build magicka sorc can withstand the damage optimally , without problems .
" stamina " isn't just NB ......I'd like to play pvp with my stamplar, but I guess as long as there Wrobel will not be possible.
Meanwhile, you magicka user " bask " in a infinite stacking shield....next patch without " proc build " , Killing certain magicka-build will be almost impossible...
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✭ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.
40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.
I hate to be the one to say this, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Burst damage (currently that is, not some video from before proc set crit was removed) you can get higher numbers (as a general rule, 30-40's for stam nb, 50's for non vet defense OR having several sets proc at same time), but sustained dps (on vet variant bosses) mid to upper 20's with unrealistic rotations and low 30's for say all end-game gear (VO, VMA weapons, etc.). Throwing aoe down on a mob and getting 100k isn't the same thing either. Also, PvP is a completely different thing where being able to actually sustain is more important, but again, stam nb get the brown tipped stick of poison.
If you are getting less than 40k single target playing any stamina class in PvE (HoF excluded for obvious reasons) you are doing something wrong..1 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Stam classes have the best survivability in pvp: The perma-block 'cancer' dk build.
The most cancerous build in pvp with the highest survivability, and it's a stam build.
Stam NBs have insane damage with proc sets, and they have vigor which is a very effective heal. Many mag players do not slot a regular heal anywhere near the level of vigor, myself included.
Stam NBs also use cloak which is a somewhat broken mechanic, but I stop short of calling it 'OP'.
With cloak, vigor, and rally, stam NBs actually have very high surivivability despite being squishy. They are simply able to run away when things aren't going their way.
There are also a plethora of other stam skills that are very good. I disagree that either stam or mag should be picked as objectively superior over the other, and instead we should target specifc sets/mechanics (like someone who stands in one place and shields and doesn't even attempt to deal damage).0 -
Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭gethemshauna wrote: »OP is clueless. Staminas currently hit around 10k more single target DPS than Magicka.
go into pvp and the only stamina build that can kill something is usualy Nightblades.... or people with a Bow nothing else realy...0 -
Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Stam classes have the best survivability in pvp: The perma-block 'cancer' dk build.
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yet?! stop with these lies
Dks with perma block doesn't do damage...It has specific builds and specific defence skills on bars to tank multiple enemies .
Dks with perma block is just to troll, does not kill, does nothing
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✭✭they just need to buff jeweltry enchants besides regen+damage buffing ones tbh
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✭melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Stam classes have the best survivability in pvp: The perma-block 'cancer' dk build.
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yet?! stop with these lies
Dks with perma block doesn't do damage...It has specific builds and specific defence skills on bars to tank multiple enemies .
Dks with perma block is just to troll, does not kill, does nothing
In the current state of the game talk about dks is like " firing on the red cross"
I realize it doesn't do damage I never said it does do damage.
I said that its survivability is high, which is entirely true.
I never said it's a good build or play style, I think it's a shameful play style, but it is one of the hardest builds to kill, and it's a stam build.
Therefore, we CANNOT say that stam does not have high survivability. We can't. It in fact does, and I believe that the stam dk has the highest surivability out of any class (while also not being able to do much else).
Edited by Betsararie on August 3, 2017 10:32PM0 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol, just take a walk round any city you like, magic outnumbers stamina five to one, why? Because it easier to use, it's as simple as that. Shields and healing on magic classes blow stamina out of the water, what use is all that killing power if your pushing up electronic daisies
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ezeepeezee✭✭✭✭melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Stam classes have the best survivability in pvp: The perma-block 'cancer' dk build.
.
yet?! stop with these lies
Dks with perma block doesn't do damage...It has specific builds and specific defence skills on bars to tank multiple enemies .
Dks with perma block is just to troll, does not kill, does nothing
In the current state of the game talk about dks is like " firing on the red cross"
I realize it doesn't do damage I never said it does do damage.
I said that its survivability is high, which is entirely true.
I never said it's a good build or play style, I think it's a shameful play style, but it is one of the hardest builds to kill, and it's a stam build.
Therefore, we CANNOT say that stam does not have high survivability. We can't. It in fact does, and I believe that the stam dk has the highest surivability out of any class (while also not being able to do much else).
I can't even tell if you're serious. Shields and magicka healing give you high survivability and high damage in tandem. Not so for survivability on stam.5 -
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✭all the resource nerfs that hit stam build waaaaay harder then magica builds...
a Set that is made for magica users increases weapon enchant dmg by 30%
barely any cool and good ability is able to be morphed for stam users....
............... come ooon now gives stamina players some love.......
and if someone comes in here talking about perma blocking i swear to god i gonna Slap him.....
Wow, you are going to cite a 3-trait craftable set that has been in the game for years that has exactly ONE bonus that makes it a magicka specific set as proof that stamina is getting the *** end of the stick? Lets review torug's pact.
(2) spell damage
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Clearly this set heavily heavily favors magicka builds. (sarcasm)Edited by Drummerx04 on August 3, 2017 11:21PMPC/NA - Nightfighters, Raid Leader and Officer
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Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »all the resource nerfs that hit stam build waaaaay harder then magica builds...
a Set that is made for magica users increases weapon enchant dmg by 30%
barely any cool and good ability is able to be morphed for stam users....
............... come ooon now gives stamina players some love.......
and if someone comes in here talking about perma blocking i swear to god i gonna Slap him.....
Wow, you are going to cite a 3-trait craftable set that has been in the game for years that has exactly ONE bonus that makes it a magicka specific set as proof that stamina is getting the *** end of the stick? Lets review torug's pact.
(2) spell damage
(3) health
(4) spell resistance
(5) 30% damage and cooldown reduction for weapon glyph
Clearly this set heavily heavily favors magicka builds. (sarcasm)
way to nit pick 1 thing out of it am i right ?2 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭all the resource nerfs that hit stam build waaaaay harder then magica builds...
a Set that is made for magica users increases weapon enchant dmg by 30%
barely any cool and good ability is able to be morphed for stam users....
............... come ooon now gives stamina players some love.......
and if someone comes in here talking about perma blocking i swear to god i gonna Slap him.....
Next patch magic will reign supreme for sure.. especially without proc sets picking up the slack. Hopefully this will shed some light on the imbalances between mag and Stam.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They should really look at stacking max magicka and how that scales with dmg-shields, its overperforming and then some, gives you too much survivability while giving you dmg.
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KramUzibra✭✭✭✭melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Stam classes have the best survivability in pvp: The perma-block 'cancer' dk build.
.
yet?! stop with these lies
Dks with perma block doesn't do damage...It has specific builds and specific defence skills on bars to tank multiple enemies .
Dks with perma block is just to troll, does not kill, does nothing
In the current state of the game talk about dks is like " firing on the red cross"
Lol ironically mag dk can damn near perma block and dish out great damage in pvp.3 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Integral1900 wrote: »Lol, just take a walk round any city you like, magic outnumbers stamina five to one, why? Because it easier to use, it's as simple as that. Shields and healing on magic classes blow stamina out of the water, what use is all that killing power if your pushing up electronic daisies
Well said... mag is much easier to use and with the changes to procs sets next patch this imbalance will become clear.. hopefully.1 -
Betsararie✭✭✭✭✭
✭ezeepeezee wrote: »melloni_aleb16_ESO wrote: »Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Stam classes have the best survivability in pvp: The perma-block 'cancer' dk build.
.
yet?! stop with these lies
Dks with perma block doesn't do damage...It has specific builds and specific defence skills on bars to tank multiple enemies .
Dks with perma block is just to troll, does not kill, does nothing
In the current state of the game talk about dks is like " firing on the red cross"
I realize it doesn't do damage I never said it does do damage.
I said that its survivability is high, which is entirely true.
I never said it's a good build or play style, I think it's a shameful play style, but it is one of the hardest builds to kill, and it's a stam build.
Therefore, we CANNOT say that stam does not have high survivability. We can't. It in fact does, and I believe that the stam dk has the highest surivability out of any class (while also not being able to do much else).
I can't even tell if you're serious. Shields and magicka healing give you high survivability and high damage in tandem. Not so for survivability on stam.
You are overstating the effectiveness of shields in pvp especially in no cp. They are not nearly as strong as you think.
I do use shields on my sorc, but it is nothing that makes me unkillable. A terrible player (which is the majority) will never be able to kill me in most cases, but truly good players are certainly able to kill me. My surivability is not that good, people just need to L2P.
The only people who will ever complain about shield stacking are people who either use underpowered builds, or who need to L2P. Because it just isn't nearly as good as it's made out to be (especially in no cp).
As for heals, my healing is not that high compared to many players. I will concede that templars have very good healing.2 -
lasertooth✭✭✭✭✭The only thing that needs to be nerfed is all the whining in this thread. Lol.
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KramUzibra✭✭✭✭They should really look at stacking max magicka and how that scales with dmg-shields, its overperforming and then some, gives you too much survivability while giving you dmg.
Lol ever 1v1 a mag sorc running lich and rest ulti? It's ridiculously powerful non comparable in a 1v1. About took a zerf to take him down. It's funny how these shield stacking sorcs can bounce up and down in the middle of the field fearless and survive a full onslaught from multiple enemies with enough dmg to kill most if not all of them. While Stam classes especially non proc medium armor classes have to utilize line of sight with kiting, blocking, dodge rolling then turn and use even more Stam to hopefully burst an enemy. Mag sorcs Stam pool is a dump pool to break free. No need to kite, roll dodge or break free when 1 sheild can absorb the damage while you simultaneously go on the offensive. While Stam are forced to Sprint, roll, block, break free draining their primary offensive resource to survive whilst Strategically timing a stun followed by combination of abilities hopeing to burst the sorc down before they stack a non Critable shield. Granted this is more of a 1v1 imbalance bit still it's an imbalance.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao
that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.
the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....
just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....
Exactly. This is a simple concept and one the crying mag players on this forum can't seem to grasp.2 -
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@SunahSneaky-Snurr wrote: »
@SunahApexSwoledier81 wrote: »Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.
40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.
In what world is 40k DPS considered low? O_o
@Sneaky-Snurr
I wasn't the one that said it was low haha. He quoted me when I said stam dps is hitting 40k. That guy is clearly full of crap if 40k is low.
That or hes a dummy *** hitting 50k. Which is easy at that point.
Oh lol I misread the quotes in my reply, apologies in advance.
@ApexSwoledier81
You're saying 40k DPS is low and you only showed a video of a Stamblade hitting 47.9k DPS? Wait wait, so you're telling me that 47.9k DPS is also low??
So what is considered middle-tier and the topmost tier DPS for a stam build? O_o
I'm really intrigued to know what you'll be saying.Edited by Sneaky-Snurr on August 4, 2017 7:02AMThe Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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✭✭Stams play well in PVE ? If they are ALIVE .
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✭all the resource nerfs that hit stam build waaaaay harder then magica builds...
a Set that is made for magica users increases weapon enchant dmg by 30%
Slap me if I'm wrong but if you think about Torug's Pact set, then it's a good set for some tank builds, not just magicka. My tank uses it because of significantly increased healing effect of my Master sword. My tank is DK with way more stamina than magicka.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Stamina can still link Resource Poisons to their weapon skills...
That is a huge plus for Stamina in PvP regardless of how you feel about other things that pit Stamina vs Magicka...Unyeilding Bias
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