Stamina players is getting left behind too much now...

Zordrage

all the resource nerfs that hit stam build waaaaay harder then magica builds...

a Set that is made for magica users increases weapon enchant dmg by 30%

barely any cool and good ability is able to be morphed for stam users....

............... come ooon now gives stamina players some love.......

and if someone comes in here talking about perma blocking i swear to god i gonna Slap him.....

Bonzodog01

Nah, we will adapt. We always do. Stam NB's are still going to be absolutely lethal in PvP. Hundings Rage will almost certainly be the base of any decent stam build. You could probably either stack NMG or TFS with that. Just give it month or so, and we will have our own solution.

Sunah

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

ccfeeling

Stams have to melee without stam scale shield ... It's doesn't matter if stams could provide much increditable damage , in fact , no
Risk =/= return

woe

Some of the best builds right now are stam based and same goes after the patch.

ApexSwoledier81

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

brandonv516

ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

I'm a magicka fanboy but don't really do PvE. What are raids again?

AdicusDio

ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

I hate to be the one to say this, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Burst damage (currently that is, not some video from before proc set crit was removed) you can get higher numbers (as a general rule, 30-40's for stam nb, 50's for non vet defense OR having several sets proc at same time), but sustained dps (on vet variant bosses) mid to upper 20's with unrealistic rotations and low 30's for say all end-game gear (VO, VMA weapons, etc.). Throwing aoe down on a mob and getting 100k isn't the same thing either. Also, PvP is a completely different thing where being able to actually sustain is more important, but again, stam nb get the brown tipped stick of poison.

AdicusDio

And fwiw, being in a group were everyone has beneficial gear and passives etc. that can help buff everyone else doesn't count. With PvP, there are way too many BS power-reducing calculations going on that seem to hit physical damage the most.

Malic

Ya my heart is breaking for all those viper proc set stam NB gank builds.

Boy they've really had it tough the last few patches. I like all forms of game play Im never looking for nerfs, so its your turn to take it. We've all been there, pucker up butter cup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGNoKknQ73o

ApexSwoledier81

AdicusDio wrote: »

ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

I hate to be the one to say this, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Burst damage (currently that is, not some video from before proc set crit was removed) you can get higher numbers (as a general rule, 30-40's for stam nb, 50's for non vet defense OR having several sets proc at same time), but sustained dps (on vet variant bosses) mid to upper 20's with unrealistic rotations and low 30's for say all end-game gear (VO, VMA weapons, etc.). Throwing aoe down on a mob and getting 100k isn't the same thing either. Also, PvP is a completely different thing where being able to actually sustain is more important, but again, stam nb get the brown tipped stick of poison.

Except this is in Two Fang and Night Mothers/Hundings. Damn those proc sets. >:o And actually on sustained bosses damage is even higher because of the group buffs. Check out the Stam DK doing 65k on Valariel in AA. I wasn't talking about PVP at all.

Rikkof

NO

amir412

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

Dont talk to us about adapting, while shields scales to max mag, but there are no *** benefits from stacking max stamina but higher tool tips , Which is pointless cuz u get more from stacking up weapon dmg.

If nothing scales off max stam, so shields shouldnt be stacking with max mag. Simple.

AnviOfVai

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Nah, we will adapt. We always do. Stam NB's are still going to be absolutely lethal in PvP. Hundings Rage will almost certainly be the base of any decent stam build. You could probably either stack NMG or TFS with that. Just give it month or so, and we will have our own solution.

I feel that Tanks are not as Tanky as they should be, they can take a lot of damage but so can sorc's now, even templars are better tanks now!

Kanar

I agree that stamina is at a disadvantage compared to magicka. Queue the magSorcs rushing into the thread to defend magicka.

Durham

ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

Probably referring to PVP.. only stamblade are doing exceptionally well

Durham

Rikkof wrote: »

NO

Yes you got it .. NB's did not get hit as hard... but NB are not the only stam classes...
Stam DK < Magicka DK
Stam Templar < Magicka Temp
Stam Sorc < Magicka Sorc
Stam warden < Magicka Warden

Exception NB which does well solo but in a large group magicka NB ate good...

jlboozer

Stamina players "are" getting left behind....

*fixed
...sorry, pet peeves are a mf!

Caligamy_ESO

So much misinformation touted as fact that I am just gonna leave this thread with my palm pressed to my face for a while.

Jake1576

Stamina is in need of some attention Magicka uses currently have the best heals the best defense with shield stacking the best aoe ultimate in the game that does way to much damage what does stamina get a crappy over time heal no aoe ultimates they tried to give ppl a stamina shield that would be worth using but Magicka ppl complained and said it would be to strong so stamina users got left behind the fact is if your playing stamina in this game your second class when it comes to Magicka users

BuddyAces

amir412 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

Dont talk to us about adapting, while shields scales to max mag, but there are no *** benefits from stacking max stamina but higher tool tips , Which is pointless cuz u get more from stacking up weapon dmg.

If nothing scales off max stam, so shields shouldnt be stacking with max mag. Simple.

Your argument is so awesome that everyone ignores you so they can keep on bitchin. You are a beautiful human being and I applaud your post. You've won an awesome tick.

amir412

BuddyAces wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

Dont talk to us about adapting, while shields scales to max mag, but there are no *** benefits from stacking max stamina but higher tool tips , Which is pointless cuz u get more from stacking up weapon dmg.

If nothing scales off max stam, so shields shouldnt be stacking with max mag. Simple.

Your argument is so awesome that everyone ignores you so they can keep on bitchin. You are a beautiful human being and I applaud your post. You've won an awesome tick.

nailed it XD

Vapirko

@Rikkof gtfo with that screen shot bro, everyone gets hit with proc sets all the time from mag and stam builds. Stop posting it in every thread like it's proof stam builds are op. Let's see if you call for a nerf when every death recap is filled with torugs pact boosted obvlivion damage. You're just a bad, salty player most likely.

Fuxo

One thing ZOS could do is to make stamina sustain easier than magicka one. Yes, stamina skills are cheaper, but there should be a system for stamina return during combat other than via heavy attacks. Physical heavy attacks should be used for off-balance/bash/stun effects (depending on the weapon used). Maybe stamina regen rate should not be halved during combat like for magicka. That would basically mean completely different playstyle for stamina builds, making the game more diverse.

idk

Zoliru wrote: »

all the resource nerfs that hit stam build waaaaay harder then magica builds...

a Set that is made for magica users increases weapon enchant dmg by 30%

barely any cool and good ability is able to be morphed for stam users....

............... come ooon now gives stamina players some love.......

and if someone comes in here talking about perma blocking i swear to god i gonna Slap him.....

Are you actually serious or joking around? Cannot take that seriously.

Betsararie

Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao

Krayzie

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

So much misinformation touted as fact that I am just gonna leave this thread with my palm pressed to my face for a while.

My thoughts exactly...

Zordrage

Blanco wrote: »

Totally OP. Because Selene's and viper are totally underperforming right now. Needs a buff. lmao

that crap is broken and stamina classes should not be designed,changed and nerfed around them.

the issue is still valid Stam classes are lacking too much compared to mag....

just because a broken set carries them it does not mean they are fine at all....

Sneaky-Snurr

ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

@Sunah
In what world is 40k DPS considered low? O_o

ApexSwoledier81

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

ApexSwoledier81 wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Stam dps hitting 40k+ on PTS... on par with Magicka dps who is slightly higher... Like bonzodog said.. Just adapt.

40k is low for a good stam dps...even on console in not gold gear stamblades can hit 48k on the dummy. All the magicka fanboys are just salty that now every top raid guild has 3 stam dps every run now.

@Sunah
In what world is 40k DPS considered low? O_o

In top end game stam dps world where they're hitting 48k consistently...not low at all for most but I'd consider 8k less dps difference from the top somewhat low if you're talking about max potential

Vaoh

Stamina sustain is really easy....

Also they have amazing DPS. I would take 8x Stamina DPS over Magicka any day if the mechanics of a Vet trial allowed it. UnfortunateIy, you can only bring about 2-4 melee DPS into a trial.

Overall, it is very much player-dependant as to how effective DPS is no matter what class spec you play. Stamina survivability is usually tougher, but Blade Cloak is very strong and being in melee range means constant powerful heals from healers. Also many people enjoy Stamina much more.