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We gonna nerf stamina mobility already?
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MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Listen, I don't want to nerf open combat stamina builds. Let me make that clear. BUT I want them to make the same conscious decision us magicka builds have to.
You mean shieldstack? wtf are you smoking? Obvioulsy u never played a stambuild. This most be the single most stupid thread for weeks.
Yup, stand there stacking non-scaling shields against 2+ players. With Harness being weaker than Hardened, and Healing fickle. Enjoy being gapclosed through Streak while trying to LoS to actually get time for stacking.
Do you even do math?
You can gap close roll as well and if you're magicka NB or Templar, your gap close ignores the dodge . You can gank and LOS as magicka as well. You can mist form a lot as magicka also.
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And this is what I'm complaining about. It is not the same tier.
Mist is a sprint. However, stamina can get Major Expedition on top of it. Dodge travels a set distance, even with snares. Magicka not only can't dodge unless you sacrifice mag sustain, but the absence of Shuffle makes you helpless to snares. Also, gapclose snare severely hampers Mist mobility.
Mist is major expedition, you can't sprint on top of it; but it's also not costing you to do so and you're immune to control effects which I believe include snares as well as taking 75% less damage.
No shuffle, but you can run a purge or, you can build to have enough stamina if you want for shuffle or a dodge. You just chose not to because you chose to build towards your main stat more. Of course it's not optimal on your sorc, but it's also not optimal to ask a stam class to stand and exchange blows in the open against a range class that has shields
Just want to say you that you still get snared by gabclosers in mist form. This has been an issue for ages and still hasn't been fixed.0 -
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✭✭Can we, stamusers, use magicka for frilly things like running, dodge rolling, break free, and whatnot instead?
I rather like to see a solution against Sorcs shieldstacking first, before nerfing NB even more.
Be careful what you ask for.
I have one of about everything and typically prefer stam because frilly things count against our stam pool...0 -
Skitttles✭✭✭✭Ok, fine you crazies win. We will just make this game turn based.Skittles | DC Stem Sok and sumtimes Nertbled4 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Now, this one had a good idea here! I agree with you. If people don't want stamina mobility nerfed, then I see zero reason why we can't buff magicka mobility.
Having Streak ignore terrain and putting you on the ground, and Mist ignore gapclose snares would be a good start that no one can argue against.2 -
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Now, this one had a good idea here! I agree with you. If people don't want stamina mobility nerfed, then I see zero reason why we can't buff magicka mobility.
Having Streak ignore terrain and putting you on the ground, and Mist ignore gapclose snares would be a good start that no one can argue against.
Lol, ok but then crit charge ignores crystal frags, and mines.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Now, this one had a good idea here! I agree with you. If people don't want stamina mobility nerfed, then I see zero reason why we can't buff magicka mobility.
Having Streak ignore terrain and putting you on the ground, and Mist ignore gapclose snares would be a good start that no one can argue against.
Lol, ok but then crit charge ignores crystal frags, and mines.
It does. CC immunity counters any CC (duh) and you don't get rooted in your critrush tracks by Mines.
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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I really have a feeling you got rekked by an eternal hunt user such as Drathor the Voidwalker. Anyone who plays pc eu Sotha Sil should know what I'm talking about.@deepseamk20b14_ESO
Now, this one had a good idea here! I agree with you. If people don't want stamina mobility nerfed, then I see zero reason why we can't buff magicka mobility.
Having Streak ignore terrain and putting you on the ground, and Mist ignore gapclose snares would be a good start that no one can argue against.
And dude, why do you feel that one particular playstyle needs to be able to do one thing, just because another playstyle can do it? That isn't balance, that is homogenization. If you play any ounce of duels, you'd notice that both styles defend themselves in their own way. Sorc and other mag classes can shield themself and have a plethora of heals at their command. Sorc can even shield stack 3 shields.
Stamina playstyle is being mobile, dodging and try to NOT be hit. They don't have shields or consistent burst heals on command like a magdk or magplar. Rally isn't consistent and vigor is a HoT. When in medium armor, they are not fit to stand and fight... they will die in 3 hits. Stamina builds in heavy armor aren't mobile so that shouldn't be a problem.
Balance is having multiple playstyles being able to counter one another. For example how warden counter dodgeroll spam with their cliffracer. Just mindlessly running after a stambuild using dodgeroll and shuffle and who is cleverly using LOS, blowing all your stam in the process... the fault is on you when you get rekked. A running away stambuild isn't killing you, unless you try to beat it at it's own game.
Wanna beat a stamblade who dodges and cloaks all the time? Use your tools that actually counter it. Pro tip, especially mines and curse hurts
You have more than enough tool. But when you want to mindlessly sprint after a target that isn't killing you? Your problem.
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Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Gonna say it again... and this doesn't just apply to stam mobility.
Major expedition from potions is one of the main offenders.
It should not be 47 seconds or 52 seconds as a possibility.
People that are using potions as a buff like this (coupled with shuffle or Forward momentum) and use it on cooldown have a perpetual major expedition buff.
Mag has access to major expedition as well via potion cooldown. Smugglers is such an underrated set in PvP for mag builds looking to deslot vampire.
The second I put on the set, stam bow mobility builds became obsolete.
Stamina don't have have to sacifice anything to achieve this tho.
Why don't we just put all pretenses aside and call it, for what it is.
ZOS is pushing for Stamina to be kings and queens of solo and small group PvP with decent reach into medium and large scale. Hell stamina is now even top damage in PvE atm. All stamina needs is a shield, and it'll outclass all magicka playstyles in all areas of the game.
Magicka is looking to be the red headed step child for the next 6 to 9 months in BGs.
- Stamina Proc sets OP
- Stamina can engage and disengage at will
- Gap closers are more spammable then the abilities that are designed to give range casters so space to cast.
- Stamina does much more burst and damage
- Stamina survival mechanics scale much much better then magicka's in 1vX situations.
- Stamina is just easier and take much less thought to play then magicka atm.
Stamina is the META in non Zerg v Zerg PvP. You can do something else however the skill required to be as successful is going to be much much higher. Then just rolling a stamina based character. With Magicka Sorc being the outlier.
All and all stamina outside of Zerg v Zerg atm and completely easy mode. Boarder line godmode.
@FearlessOne_2014 LOL another one that dont have a *** clue what he/she is talking about. Played a medium stam nb much have you? Nah, you stay on your easymode sorc kid.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
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Point is, stam strengths are far stronger in open world PvP. Don't care for duels.
And when they run away, they won't kill you, but they'll be back with a procburst from stealth or let their buddies do the work. When I'm fighting outnumbered, where shields already fail enough, a stam player shouldn't have the luxury to survive at will. That's how they keep their zerg numbers up. And no, I shouldn't die because I'm outnumbered. I should die because I played bad, not zerged badly.
Again, I do not mean to harm combat balance. I just demand that magicka and stamina are given the same positioning tools to deal with groups/zergs.
@Glamdring
He actually has some valid points, like proc sets. Unlike you, who only sputters nonsense and insults without providing any relevant feedback.
Overall, I think this thread has exhausted its usefulness long ago.
It's clear to me stam players want to keep running around rocks. To each his/her own, I guess.
But that also means you have no right to complain about shields and undodgable attacks. You have your preferred playstyle, we have ours. Quit asking for nerfs and git gud.
Thread is finished for me. Thanks for contributing, everyone, regardless of how it was perceived.1 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭@Lord-Otto, This discussion will continue whatever you say. Sorcs for sure needs to be nerfed, atm they have insane mitigation, damage and sustain. No class should have it all. And for undodgable attacks like dive, talk about a noskill abilitity, theese newbie wardens just spamming one skill that goes through everything including los and if u cant cloak like 5 times in a row it still hits you with insane damage. no skill should have that power, its totally broken.3
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Rikkof✭✭✭I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.1 -
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✭✭I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst playersThe Age of Wrobel.4 -
Rikkof✭✭✭I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve0 -
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✭I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve
Lol if you are a mag sorc you shouldn't be calling anyone op. You are definitely at the top of the game right now4 -
Rikkof✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve
Lol if you are a mag sorc you shouldn't be calling anyone op. You are definitely at the top of the game right now
sorcs are not op, NB are and mostly stamina users0 -
thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭thankyourat wrote: »I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve
Lol if you are a mag sorc you shouldn't be calling anyone op. You are definitely at the top of the game right now
sorcs are not op, NB are and mostly stamina users
I didn't say sorcs where op just that they are the strongest class at the moment.5 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Mind you, guys, this wasn't a cry for class nerfs, but rather the annoying running-around-rocks-meta. I'm positive there is a way to get rid of that without affecting overall balancing too much.0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve
Lol if you are a mag sorc you shouldn't be calling anyone op. You are definitely at the top of the game right now
sorcs are not op, NB are and mostly stamina users
Lol dude NBs are not OP. Wow this thread is a special brand of warped perspective. I think every noob playing a mag sorc and expecting it to be god mode is on here.2 -
Rikkof✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve
Lol if you are a mag sorc you shouldn't be calling anyone op. You are definitely at the top of the game right now
sorcs are not op, NB are and mostly stamina users
Lol dude NBs are not OP. Wow this thread is a special brand of warped perspective. I think every noob playing a mag sorc and expecting it to be god mode is on here.
who you think you are sir to call other players noobs?
nb using dodge into dodge into cloack is op and will get nerfed0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Guys Rikkof is the forum troll on the subject on NB. The guy simply loves to hate him some NB. No surprise he necrod this thread. Just ignore the little worm.Edited by Koensol on August 2, 2017 9:32PM1 -
Alphaa✭✭✭Just leave the guy to roll around the tower showing his skill to the npcs...
Half the guys i see do this dont even realise you are just stood watching them for about 30 seconds.0 -
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✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »I hope the devs are looking into the sugestions in this thread, DODGE INTO CLOACK is OP LIKE HELL and must be rebalanced....dodge dodge cloack gone.....0 damage done to the enemy
atm stamina users have wayyyyy to much escape opportunities, compared to sorcs.
Judging by your post and your signature, I'd say you got touched pretty bad recently by a NB.nightblades = worst players
yeah, and I hope zos will balance the game and nerf nightblade stamina and magika also, they are the most OP on pvp right now and on pve
Lol if you are a mag sorc you shouldn't be calling anyone op. You are definitely at the top of the game right now
sorcs are not op, NB are and mostly stamina users
Lol dude NBs are not OP. Wow this thread is a special brand of warped perspective. I think every noob playing a mag sorc and expecting it to be god mode is on here.
What did you expect "Noobs" to roll when you read "Sorcs OP, QQ much" at every corner in this forum? Some people tend to jump the bandwagon in both ways - demanding nerfs and playing FotM.0 -
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✭I recently respeced to magblade from stamblade and it's just as mobile as stamblade so I don't know what the problem is even with concealed weapon and magica morph of shuffle it's actually fasterAussie lag is real!1 -
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Hope he is not AD, I want to kill him on mine too
I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
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✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »
Hope he is not AD, I want to kill him on mine too
He is but I believe he would die to an AD nb aswell as they are so op 2 -
lrizo✭✭Can we, stamusers, use magicka for frilly things like running, dodge rolling, break free, and whatnot instead?
I rather like to see a solution against Sorcs shieldstacking first, before nerfing NB even more.
Lol too funny. You're delusional if you think running, dodge rolling, or break free are "frilly" things mate.
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Now that there's no region while sprinting; I can do what the OP is complaining about better on my mag sorc using boundless storm and dark deal to recover stam lost from sprinting. Less rolls but can do some and streak as well.
I imagine even better on my Templar if I went back magicka and used mist form in there rather than roll.1
