Dungeon Blacklisting

Alchemical · August 2017

Doubtlessly it's been brought up before, but two back to back rage quits prompted me to wonder; What if players were given an option to black list a single dungeon from the random pool when solo-queueing for dungeons? Do you think this would be good? Bad? Neutral?

I notice that a lot of the time people leave almost instantly upon randoming into White Gold Tower, before a single mob gets pulled. Those that don't usually leave the first time anyone screws up a mechanic, which, being a VERY mechanic heavy dungeon, is bound to happen eventually. It's just not a PUG friendly dungeon at all, and the leaving penalty is obviously not an effective deterrent when it comes to the animosity some dungeons can generate.

A lot of people I know feel similarly about Mazzatun, and I'm sure the problem with DLC dungeons being skull shatteringly hard isn't going to get better with Horns of the Reach. Since people buying the gold edition of ESO or Subscribers aren't really given the choice to 'just not buy IC if you don't like' the dread of accidentally getting thrown into IC (or SotH) dungeons is a pain, being able to opt out of one or two dungeons a player dislikes (or even lacks the skill to complete) might be a boon for the greater community and dungeon completion rates.

It's not even that I'm angry about wasting my time at least now that I'm a healer, I'm sure if I was a DPS I'd be furious. I'll spend 2 hours completing a normal dungeon with a terrible party if people are at least TRYING. I'm just frustrated at people that aren't going to try at all and already gave up as soon as they saw the dungeon load screen, ESPECIALLY when the dungeon finder is so broken we sometimes literally never CAN get a replacement because our queue is bugged.

IcyDeadPeople · August 2017

Why not simply queue solo and check the boxes for all the dungeons you are comfortable with?

greylox · August 2017

I suppose that's why there's a reward of bonus xp, to make up for the horrible dlc dungeon pug experiences. But I'd rather a quick dungeon for the xp any day and a 15 min wait is nothing compared to spending hours in mazzatun or wiping constantly on the inhibitor. It's even worse since morrowind and the light attack fest. Once is enough for the dlc's for me.

I'd fully support being able to blacklist certain dungeons .

abigfishy · August 2017

I try to do my daily random and get WGT with a level 10, 15 and 22 and curse my ESO plus.

All 4 of the DLC dungeons should NOT be in the daily random rotation for less than level 50 characters.

richo262 · August 2017

Whenever Mazz comes up on a random, I always get a feeling of regret about purchasing it as i'd be blocked from even entering that match.

afonik · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Why not simply queue solo and check the boxes for all the dungeons you are comfortable with?

Because of the 100k xp award

micsan · August 2017

I think a lot of players are confusing the words RANDOM DAILY DUNGEON with QUICK DAILY DUNGEON.

If you do a random daily dungeon and expect to be finished within 30 mins, you are going to have a bad time if you hit one of the DLC dungeons.

Do not queue for random if you can't accept that fact. Just queue for the specific ones.
Random dungeon isn't neccesarily there as an option for excellent XP grind either, so keep that in mind.

Last night I had about 20 minutes to kill, and wanted to do a dungeon, didn't matter wich one. I went ahead and marked all the non-dlc dungeons veteran and got thrown into wayrest II, completed it in about 15 minutes. Now it would be fine and dandy if I could have gotten the extra 31k (100k if enlightened), but I simply didn't have time to do one of the longer dungeons (City of ash among other non-dlc dungeons are also pretty long).

The random exp bonus is there for people who don't mind filling and or helping, it's not for grinding dungeons super fast. If I remember correctly, the random option wasn't even there in the beginning. When it was introduced the queue times where drasticly reduced.

klowdy1 · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Why not simply queue solo and check the boxes for all the dungeons you are comfortable with?

No exp bonus, or the extra gold or mats from the finishing rewards (because they are always useless).

I don't see anything wrong with being able to pick one or two dungeons at a time to keep out of the random pool. It works just fine with WoW BGs.

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL · August 2017

this feature will never be in the game. zo$ is try to sell dlc not keep ppl out of it.

xSkullfox · August 2017

At least a button [x] Exclude DLC, would be nice.

zaria · August 2017

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »

this feature will never be in the game. zo$ is try to sell dlc not keep ppl out of it.

Having level restriction on random normal so an level 10 don't have an 50% chance for an DLC would be an bonus not an handicap, note that chance will increase with the two new DLC dungeons.
On the other hand they should reduce the level requirements for other normal dungeons.

As for high level players getting the random normal dlc, think many including me pug them, they do the other two as vet with guild then pug the dlc as normal.
Its part of the payment for the random dungeon bonus

Tan9oSuccka · August 2017

No. The XP and loot is for dragging baddies through WGT.

I do think it needs better rewards for higher players helping lowbies and alts through harder content.

My last random was WGT, with three sub level 20s.

It was not pretty.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

Compromise: if you're under level 50, you can 'opt out' of DLC dungeons, should you own them. If you're above level 50, you can "opt out" of vet DLC dungeons.

They already have this coded, see people who don't have that content. There is obviously some form of barrier that prevents your entry. I get it should be random, but I don't get why I should be frustrated with something I paid for. If I want to run those dungeons, I'll go in a group

Malacthulhu · August 2017

You should be able to blacklist a few dungeons. Everyone has a dungeon they are either sick of or tiredof bad luck with randos on and are gonna drop it if it comes up anyways especially if they "randomly" got that dungeon 5 times in a row lol.

Good thread op.

QuebraRegra · August 2017

Alchemical wrote: »

Doubtlessly it's been brought up before, but two back to back rage quits prompted me to wonder; What if players were given an option to black list a single dungeon from the random pool when solo-queueing for dungeons? Do you think this would be good? Bad? Neutral?

I notice that a lot of the time people leave almost instantly upon randoming into White Gold Tower, before a single mob gets pulled. Those that don't usually leave the first time anyone screws up a mechanic, which, being a VERY mechanic heavy dungeon, is bound to happen eventually. It's just not a PUG friendly dungeon at all, and the leaving penalty is obviously not an effective deterrent when it comes to the animosity some dungeons can generate.

A lot of people I know feel similarly about Mazzatun, and I'm sure the problem with DLC dungeons being skull shatteringly hard isn't going to get better with Horns of the Reach. Since people buying the gold edition of ESO or Subscribers aren't really given the choice to 'just not buy IC if you don't like' the dread of accidentally getting thrown into IC (or SotH) dungeons is a pain, being able to opt out of one or two dungeons a player dislikes (or even lacks the skill to complete) might be a boon for the greater community and dungeon completion rates.

It's not even that I'm angry about wasting my time at least now that I'm a healer, I'm sure if I was a DPS I'd be furious. I'll spend 2 hours completing a normal dungeon with a terrible party if people are at least TRYING. I'm just frustrated at people that aren't going to try at all and already gave up as soon as they saw the dungeon load screen, ESPECIALLY when the dungeon finder is so broken we sometimes literally never CAN get a replacement because our queue is bugged.

comments on point, particularly for WGT. If I didn't need more SPC I would NEVER go back in there. My fav are the sub lvl 20's dropping into WGT with no idea that they should just NOT bother.

OC_Justice · August 2017

NOPE.
Unless with every check to omit dungeon there was a heavy XP penalty, like 50%.

Sorry random is random and sometimes you can learn the true character of people in the community when you run difficult randoms.

But that is just me.

Besides if everyone removes dungeon X from their randoms how will others/casuals ever get a group together to finish it.
there has not been one I could not finish with a random group. It takes perseverance and yes failing from time to time in order to succeed. That is how you learn. This is not office depot and their should not be an easy button without a heavy penalty.

Tr4gicDe4th · August 2017

You will prob get "bad" dungeons one after another when you try the daily random. Sad part is the cooldown to re-attempt. You all are probably better off doing the "bad" dungeon because in the end it probably will take less time after you reattempted searching for the daily random like 4 times.

supaskrub · August 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Why not simply queue solo and check the boxes for all the dungeons you are comfortable with?

Bang on idea, i suggested this myself the other day on reddit (although a little differently), my suggestion was for peeps who moan about DLC dungeons being in the random daily and then getting pugged in a group from hell and it costing them precious time after a day at work and when gameplay time is limited before bed. Obviously you can't deny people the right to play paid for content but a simple check option to include/exclude DLC dungeons from your random probabilities would go a long way to solve the issue.

idk · August 2017

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Malacthulhu · August 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Then ZoS could increase rewards for those dungeons etc.

josiahva · August 2017

Its a random dungeon for a reason, deal with the fact or don't click the "random" button. These dungeons really aren't that hard. If you cant complete vRoM or vCoS, vWGT or vICP then you have no hope at all on vet trials and should just stick to normal difficulty for end game content. As for normal mode...I have completed ALL of them with newbie lvl10 people just fine, though I had to explain certain mechanics from time to time. You arent guaranteed a faceroll dungeon for every random...just 95% of them.

idk · August 2017

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Then ZoS could increase rewards for those dungeons etc.

Rewards are increased for the dungeons that would most Likely be on the list. Two of the more pricey motifs from from The two SotH dungeons.

OC_Justice · August 2017

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Then ZoS could increase rewards for those dungeons etc.

In other words, you would like to force ZoS into catering to those who can not complete dungeon X by giving better rewards for dungeon X. This in turn would turn dungeon X into the default farm dungeon due to its uber reward making all other dungeons obsolete.

No easy buttons random is random.

Nestor · August 2017

It would be nice to not be qued for Vet ICP, WGT, CoS or Rom when doing this. That is all I ever seem to get. I don't mind doing these places, just not with Pugs

PS4_ZeColmeia · August 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Alchemical wrote: »

Doubtlessly it's been brought up before, but two back to back rage quits prompted me to wonder; What if players were given an option to black list a single dungeon from the random pool when solo-queueing for dungeons? Do you think this would be good? Bad? Neutral?

I notice that a lot of the time people leave almost instantly upon randoming into White Gold Tower, before a single mob gets pulled. Those that don't usually leave the first time anyone screws up a mechanic, which, being a VERY mechanic heavy dungeon, is bound to happen eventually. It's just not a PUG friendly dungeon at all, and the leaving penalty is obviously not an effective deterrent when it comes to the animosity some dungeons can generate.

A lot of people I know feel similarly about Mazzatun, and I'm sure the problem with DLC dungeons being skull shatteringly hard isn't going to get better with Horns of the Reach. Since people buying the gold edition of ESO or Subscribers aren't really given the choice to 'just not buy IC if you don't like' the dread of accidentally getting thrown into IC (or SotH) dungeons is a pain, being able to opt out of one or two dungeons a player dislikes (or even lacks the skill to complete) might be a boon for the greater community and dungeon completion rates.

It's not even that I'm angry about wasting my time at least now that I'm a healer, I'm sure if I was a DPS I'd be furious. I'll spend 2 hours completing a normal dungeon with a terrible party if people are at least TRYING. I'm just frustrated at people that aren't going to try at all and already gave up as soon as they saw the dungeon load screen, ESPECIALLY when the dungeon finder is so broken we sometimes literally never CAN get a replacement because our queue is bugged.

comments on point, particularly for WGT. If I didn't need more SPC I would NEVER go back in there. My fav are the sub lvl 20's dropping into WGT with no idea what they are doing, have no mic, and don't care to observe the mechanics or respond on text chat. If any of those are true then they should realize that they should just NOT bother.

fix't

OC_Justice wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Then ZoS could increase rewards for those dungeons etc.

In other words, you would like to force ZoS into catering to those who can not complete dungeon X by giving better rewards for dungeon X. This in turn would turn dungeon X into the default farm dungeon due to its uber reward making all other dungeons obsolete.

No easy buttons random is random.

No, its increased rewards for increased difficulty. I only PUG in normal and will carry a bad or uninformed group through WGT as I find it fun meeting good players that are new to the dungeon or game. That said, it is much harder and pretty much impossible on vet. If you are building these ones to be harder, which I personally like, then putting up with having almost no qualifications for showing up in those hard dungeon PUGs and punishing those that don't want to deal with horrible group performance with a 15 minute lock out time should drive a compensation.

IMHO, normal should just be no timer if you quit (thats your reward) while on Vet I think some plunder to sell similar to trials or 2 monster helms, or more xp (im just throwing out ideas) would be a welcome change.

idk · August 2017

The two newest dungeons. Which are the most challenging as well, have a higher reward for clearing them by means of a chance for a motif. The higher the difficulty level it was cleared in the greater the chance. HM guarantees it will drop.

Offering a higher reward via GF random rewards isn't going to make it waisted to clear the dungeon.

Malacthulhu · August 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Then ZoS could increase rewards for those dungeons etc.

Rewards are increased for the dungeons that would most Likely be on the list. Two of the more pricey motifs from from The two SotH dungeons.

I am also assuming by blacklist that means 1 or 2 dungoens nothing more. So I am looking at it from that perspective and yes you are right.

Malacthulhu · August 2017

OC_Justice wrote: »

Malacthulhu wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

If we could blacklist a dungeon then it's less random. Part of the incentive is if I'm queuing for a specific dungeon I'm more likely to find a grouo since some will queue for a random. If players could black list even on dungeon that starts to reduce the effectiveness and more so since many will blacklist what they find the most challenging for pugs.

Then ZoS could increase rewards for those dungeons etc.

In other words, you would like to force ZoS into catering to those who can not complete dungeon X by giving better rewards for dungeon X. This in turn would turn dungeon X into the default farm dungeon due to its uber reward making all other dungeons obsolete.

No easy buttons random is random.

Nah, people can just drop and reque anyways bc of a dungeon they do not want. This could potentially reduce that issue. Also it may make it more random if different people pick diff blacklists, adding another factor to Random dungeon finder. Random does not exist anyways.