On the topic of "normal looking vampires", how would you feel if...

ThePrinceOfBargains · August 2017

I know some people just want the vampires to look less hideous, but this isn't about that. This is for people that want to look completely normal as vampires and the people that are against it.

A "mortal mask" feature is implemented as another Vampire skilline passive that's unlocked at rank 10 for a skill point. With this optional passive, your character will look normal, but only outside of combat. Any time your character takes damage in direct combat, they're exposed as a vampire. It would be like the disguise system, but the passive reactivates after you leave combat.

Iccengi · August 2017

I actually like vampires though imo stage 2 is usually the best looking. But most of my vamps are stage 4.

I WOULD LIKE tattoos and paint to show up though.

Abeille · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

I prefer some sort of toggle that doesn't make me reset my skills whenever I need to toggle it, which is why I think a skin is better. Maybe a skin that is rewarded for reaching max Vampire rank?

My vampire is proud of being a Scion of Mother Lamae, but she isn't stupid. Therefore, it would be better if she could look as a mortal in some situations and as a vampire in others.

And before someone say anything, this is perfectly lore-friendly and can be achieved with some enchanted bauble if you are not part of a bloodline that can disguise themselves as mortals. Illusion magic is a thing that exists, and that is used several times to make characters have different appearances in the series and even in this game.

But if we get what you are suggesting, well, I can live with that. Not the ideal but hey, my first character still doesn't even have the right hair color and I've been dealing with it since beta.

Nestor · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

Vampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.

Abeille · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

Nestor wrote: »

Vampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.

There is nothing lore-breaking about a vampire looking like a mortal.

White wabbit · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

So people want the perks but not the cons

LadyNalcarya · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

Nestor wrote: »

Vampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.

Tell that to this guy.

Or the guy from this book. Or to her.
Lorewise, a vampire can disguise as mortal.

Hippie4927 · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

I like my vampires just the way they are but for others who want to look 'normal', I have no problem with a compromise.

LadyNalcarya · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

White wabbit wrote: »

So people want the perks but not the cons

Extra fire damage and low hp regen is supposed to be a "con".
And I personally think that stage 4 vamps and tranformed wws should also get bounty if they show up in cities, but thats just me.

bebynnag · August 2017

while the idea is good in theory lets be honest in practice it would be terrible,

the game alreday has difficulty processing what costumes/tattoos/hats are equipped after travelling/entering a load screen,
the 'hide helmet' feature already bugs out constantly hiding specific mechanics/combat clues
i have very little faith that a skill line passive that hides/unhides you vamperism depending on whether or not you are in combat could be done effectively

and is it really worth the time & effort required to code something like this when a costume or skin could be added to the game

Abeille · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Vampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.

Tell that to this guy. Or the guy from this book. Or to her.
Lorewise, a vampire can disguise as mortal.

I'm a simple fangirl. I see Verandis, I press the heart.

Also, happy to see someone else reminding people that this is lore-friendly. A lot of people like to yell "lore-breaking" before actually checking their lore.

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

So people want the perks but not the cons

Extra fire damage and low hp regen is supposed to be a "con".
And I personally think that stage 4 vamps and tranformed wws should also get bounty if they show up in cities, but thats just me.

My vampire is permanently on stage 4 and I agree with this wholeheartedly. Also, transformed werewolves.

ParaNostram · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

I could personally live with markings no longer becoming faded personally. Like legit that is all I really want.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

Abeille · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

I'm not sure if we are playing the same franchise. There certainly is fear and hate of vampires (even quests based on it) and religious and racial discrimination are what moves pretty much every conflict in the franchise (I can't think of a single important Tamrielic conflict that had nothing to do with race and/or religion). Perhaps it is sarcasm and I didn't notice. If that's the case, sorry, my bad.

Even if what you are saying was true, people might still want their character not to look like vampires just because of aesthetics. Maybe they want their make up and body marks to show instead of being extremely faded.

ThePrinceOfBargains · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

There's actually an extremely strong prejudice against Stendarr's four abominations, in which vampires and werewolves are among them. They're commanded to slay them wherever they appear indiscriminately, which is where the issue of monsters running around in the open comes into play.

Personally I don't even try to get immersed in this game simply because it's not immersive in any way whatsoever. But I can see the argument for wanting to look normal while in cities.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

Er...so I can be killed the second I admit it? No thanks. Play the fighter's guild storyline for five minutes, they (and a vast majority of Tamriel) would kill supers on sight.

Which is why vampires feed to stay undetected, and why we want to look normal. Roleplay, and all that

@Everyone who thinks it is lore breaking, Google immortal blood. Great read and I won't spoil it, but vampires certainly can fool everyone if well fed.

@PvPers: stage one vamps still take extra damage to your fighter's guild abilities in stage one, which imho is the only one that should look normal, and get no passives. None. Zero. Zilch.

@it's achoice peeps: it is, and if I go into Cyrodiil on a vamp I pay heavily. If I want any passives, I pay in extra fire damage (name a single dungeon that has no fire damage. I'll wait).

Tyrobag · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

Better than nothing, although it would actually be cool if they made vampires look brutal and intimidating instead of just ugly. I think it would be badass to have fangs, glowing eyes, and maybe the Skyrim style bat nose and gashed lips appear on your face in combat.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

Abeille wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

I'm not sure if we are playing the same franchise. There certainly is fear and hate of vampires (even quests based on it) and religious and racial discrimination are what moves pretty much every conflict in the franchise (I can't think of a single important Tamrielic conflict that had nothing to do with race and/or religion). Perhaps it is sarcasm and I didn't notice. If that's the case, sorry, my bad.

Even if what you are saying was true, people might still want their character not to look like vampires just because of aesthetics. Maybe they want their make up and body marks to show instead of being extremely faded.

Look there is fear and hate everywhere, but it doesn't represent the majority's point of view nor the opinions of the powerful. There are a few weridos out there that hate vampires, like that guy in the swamp in greenshade i think who wants you to kill some vampires with him and says he is a vampire hunter, but you can just kill him at the end of that quest and there is one less bigot in the world. Think of it like the South in the US, sure there are a few bigots here and there, but most people don't think that way and you can't live in fear because of a few odd-balls.

When you are standing around Mournhold, or Stormhaven or Elden Root, how many stage 4 vampires do you see around you? Hundreds! Do you ever see the guards go after them or call them raciest vampy things like "chalk face" or make smug jokes like "How's that pernicious anemia, today gentle lady?". No you don't because they have sensitivity training and know better. They are professionals. They know vampires and humans get along just fine, my vampire has been stage 4 for nearly 3 years, and never ate a person. And the weird vampires that actually freak out and think they need to feed can make relatonships with people who like being fed on, like with Verrandis' little sect of vampires which are NOT related to Lamae, since he was turned by the Baller himself! Vampires are just like normal people, we can be vegans if we want, we are just misunderstood by bigots.

Still don't believe me even though I am sure you've never been attacked by anyone in a city or anywhere for that matter for being a vampire? Do you think Almalexia or Vivic didn't know you were a vampire? Didn't they show tact and respect by not making a point of it? I hung out with See-all-colors for a long time as a stage 4 vampire, she never said anything about the smell, the worms or the occasional bat swarm. She was cool with it. All of my buddies in the 5 companions knew the score, no bias! Is queen Ayrenn after her years of adventuring so dense she can't tell a stage 4 vamp standing next to her? Yet she chooses to trust her life in your hands, filled with black blood congealing at your fingertips because she isn't racist. She can look past that. Tell me any of this isn't true.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

Er...so I can be killed the second I admit it? No thanks. Play the fighter's guild storyline for five minutes, they (and a vast majority of Tamriel) would kill supers on sight.

Which is why vampires feed to stay undetected, and why we want to look normal. Roleplay, and all that

@Everyone who thinks it is lore breaking, Google immortal blood. Great read and I won't spoil it, but vampires certainly can fool everyone if well fed.

@PvPers: stage one vamps still take extra damage to your fighter's guild abilities in stage one, which imho is the only one that should look normal, and get no passives. None. Zero. Zilch.

@it's achoice peeps: it is, and if I go into Cyrodiil on a vamp I pay heavily. If I want any passives, I pay in extra fire damage (name a single dungeon that has no fire damage. I'll wait).

Honestly I don't buy that book. I read it, but I think it's just propaganda, a ghost story to make kids scared. Like Mark Twain Kinda' said: "Don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed, read them you are misinformed."

People write things all the time, and that doesn't make it fact, one has to be more critical than to just say because it is lore it is fact, it might as well be lore-fiction.

Hurika · August 2017

Sell a "Vampiric Illusion" potion for Gold/AP on the weekly cyrodiil vendor that hides the vampire state for x Hours.

zaria · August 2017

Do something with the poor Argonian vampires or disable vampyrism for them.
At we Khajiit look pretty decent white fur, the Argonians looks like an summon clanfear fail,

GreyWolf_79 · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

I'm not sure if we are playing the same franchise. There certainly is fear and hate of vampires (even quests based on it) and religious and racial discrimination are what moves pretty much every conflict in the franchise (I can't think of a single important Tamrielic conflict that had nothing to do with race and/or religion). Perhaps it is sarcasm and I didn't notice. If that's the case, sorry, my bad.

Even if what you are saying was true, people might still want their character not to look like vampires just because of aesthetics. Maybe they want their make up and body marks to show instead of being extremely faded.

Look there is fear and hate everywhere, but it doesn't represent the majority's point of view nor the opinions of the powerful. There are a few weridos out there that hate vampires, like that guy in the swamp in greenshade i think who wants you to kill some vampires with him and says he is a vampire hunter, but you can just kill him at the end of that quest and there is one less bigot in the world. Think of it like the South in the US, sure there are a few bigots here and there, but most people don't think that way and you can't live in fear because of a few odd-balls.

When you are standing around Mournhold, or Stormhaven or Elden Root, how many stage 4 vampires do you see around you? Hundreds! Do you ever see the guards go after them or call them raciest vampy things like "chalk face" or make smug jokes like "How's that pernicious anemia, today gentle lady?". No you don't because they have sensitivity training and know better. They are professionals. They know vampires and humans get along just fine, my vampire has been stage 4 for nearly 3 years, and never ate a person. And the weird vampires that actually freak out and think they need to feed can make relatonships with people who like being fed on, like with Verrandis' little sect of vampires which are NOT related to Lamae, since he was turned by the Baller himself! Vampires are just like normal people, we can be vegans if we want, we are just misunderstood by bigots.

Still don't believe me even though I am sure you've never been attacked by anyone in a city or anywhere for that matter for being a vampire? Do you think Almalexia or Vivic didn't know you were a vampire? Didn't they show tact and respect by not making a point of it? I hung out with See-all-colors for a long time as a stage 4 vampire, she never said anything about the smell, the worms or the occasional bat swarm. She was cool with it. All of my buddies in the 5 companions knew the score, no bias! Is queen Ayrenn after her years of adventuring so dense she can't tell a stage 4 vamp standing next to her? Yet she chooses to trust her life in your hands, filled with black blood congealing at your fingertips because she isn't racist. She can look past that. Tell me any of this isn't true.

With all due respect, you think it's strange for people to be biased against vampires? Vampires feed on people. Disliking vampires is not racism, it's self preservation.

I play as a werewolf. I completely understand why some people might not be comfortable with WWs. We shapeshift into savage beasts and occasionally eat people.

We are the weirdos, the people who don't like our supernatural kinds are actually the "normal" ones.

EDIT: and yes there are exceptions, vampires and werewolves who get along with normal mortal humans just fine. But in general, vamps and WWs are predators.

Runschei · August 2017

Where is the option for "just get a 'normal' skin for vampires? Making me appear as a vampire once I take damage just sounds weird to me. Would also be easier for ZOS to make a skin, instead of maybe screwing up on stuff.

GreyWolf_79 · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

Runschei wrote: »

Where is the option for "just get a 'normal' skin for vampires? Making me appear as a vampire once I take damage just sounds weird to me. Would also be easier for ZOS to make a skin, instead of maybe screwing up on stuff.

Yes, this should be an option. Makeup exists. Even in the TES fantasy world.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

I'm not sure if we are playing the same franchise. There certainly is fear and hate of vampires (even quests based on it) and religious and racial discrimination are what moves pretty much every conflict in the franchise (I can't think of a single important Tamrielic conflict that had nothing to do with race and/or religion). Perhaps it is sarcasm and I didn't notice. If that's the case, sorry, my bad.

Even if what you are saying was true, people might still want their character not to look like vampires just because of aesthetics. Maybe they want their make up and body marks to show instead of being extremely faded.

Look there is fear and hate everywhere, but it doesn't represent the majority's point of view nor the opinions of the powerful. There are a few weridos out there that hate vampires, like that guy in the swamp in greenshade i think who wants you to kill some vampires with him and says he is a vampire hunter, but you can just kill him at the end of that quest and there is one less bigot in the world. Think of it like the South in the US, sure there are a few bigots here and there, but most people don't think that way and you can't live in fear because of a few odd-balls.

When you are standing around Mournhold, or Stormhaven or Elden Root, how many stage 4 vampires do you see around you? Hundreds! Do you ever see the guards go after them or call them raciest vampy things like "chalk face" or make smug jokes like "How's that pernicious anemia, today gentle lady?". No you don't because they have sensitivity training and know better. They are professionals. They know vampires and humans get along just fine, my vampire has been stage 4 for nearly 3 years, and never ate a person. And the weird vampires that actually freak out and think they need to feed can make relatonships with people who like being fed on, like with Verrandis' little sect of vampires which are NOT related to Lamae, since he was turned by the Baller himself! Vampires are just like normal people, we can be vegans if we want, we are just misunderstood by bigots.

Still don't believe me even though I am sure you've never been attacked by anyone in a city or anywhere for that matter for being a vampire? Do you think Almalexia or Vivic didn't know you were a vampire? Didn't they show tact and respect by not making a point of it? I hung out with See-all-colors for a long time as a stage 4 vampire, she never said anything about the smell, the worms or the occasional bat swarm. She was cool with it. All of my buddies in the 5 companions knew the score, no bias! Is queen Ayrenn after her years of adventuring so dense she can't tell a stage 4 vamp standing next to her? Yet she chooses to trust her life in your hands, filled with black blood congealing at your fingertips because she isn't racist. She can look past that. Tell me any of this isn't true.

With all due respect, you think it's strange for people to be biased against vampires? Vampires feed on people. Disliking vampires is not racism, it's self preservation.

I play as a werewolf. I completely understand why some people might not be comfortable with WWs. We shapeshift into savage beasts and occasionally eat people.

We are the weirdos, the people who don't like our supernatural kinds are actually the "normal" ones.

EDIT: and yes there are exceptions, vampires and werewolves who get along with normal mortal humans just fine. But in general, vamps and WWs are predators.

I've never experienced any bigotry as a stage 4 vampire. I have never eaten a person as a stage 4 vampire and my character is full vegan. I like werewolves too! I don't think you are strange or a weirdo. You only eat dead people so it's not really a problem, any more than someone would blame a dog or a pig for eating an unattended human corpse.

I don't know if you are reading my point but people don't seem to dislike vampires, nor to vampires make them fear for their survival. As I have said, as a long time stage 4 vampire I have never had cause to feel discriminated against. I think it's racist to look at vamps, ww's and humans differently, we're all sensitive, loving beings, and we can all use a hug! And what is normal anyway? I want you to define that term for me please!

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

Hurika wrote: »

Sell a "Vampiric Illusion" potion for Gold/AP on the weekly cyrodiil vendor that hides the vampire state for x Hours.

I'd prefer if they sold it for crowns, then we could take that line from "The Idiot" and change it to "Beauty will save ESO."

GreyWolf_79 · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

I'm not sure if we are playing the same franchise. There certainly is fear and hate of vampires (even quests based on it) and religious and racial discrimination are what moves pretty much every conflict in the franchise (I can't think of a single important Tamrielic conflict that had nothing to do with race and/or religion). Perhaps it is sarcasm and I didn't notice. If that's the case, sorry, my bad.

Even if what you are saying was true, people might still want their character not to look like vampires just because of aesthetics. Maybe they want their make up and body marks to show instead of being extremely faded.

Look there is fear and hate everywhere, but it doesn't represent the majority's point of view nor the opinions of the powerful. There are a few weridos out there that hate vampires, like that guy in the swamp in greenshade i think who wants you to kill some vampires with him and says he is a vampire hunter, but you can just kill him at the end of that quest and there is one less bigot in the world. Think of it like the South in the US, sure there are a few bigots here and there, but most people don't think that way and you can't live in fear because of a few odd-balls.

When you are standing around Mournhold, or Stormhaven or Elden Root, how many stage 4 vampires do you see around you? Hundreds! Do you ever see the guards go after them or call them raciest vampy things like "chalk face" or make smug jokes like "How's that pernicious anemia, today gentle lady?". No you don't because they have sensitivity training and know better. They are professionals. They know vampires and humans get along just fine, my vampire has been stage 4 for nearly 3 years, and never ate a person. And the weird vampires that actually freak out and think they need to feed can make relatonships with people who like being fed on, like with Verrandis' little sect of vampires which are NOT related to Lamae, since he was turned by the Baller himself! Vampires are just like normal people, we can be vegans if we want, we are just misunderstood by bigots.

Still don't believe me even though I am sure you've never been attacked by anyone in a city or anywhere for that matter for being a vampire? Do you think Almalexia or Vivic didn't know you were a vampire? Didn't they show tact and respect by not making a point of it? I hung out with See-all-colors for a long time as a stage 4 vampire, she never said anything about the smell, the worms or the occasional bat swarm. She was cool with it. All of my buddies in the 5 companions knew the score, no bias! Is queen Ayrenn after her years of adventuring so dense she can't tell a stage 4 vamp standing next to her? Yet she chooses to trust her life in your hands, filled with black blood congealing at your fingertips because she isn't racist. She can look past that. Tell me any of this isn't true.

With all due respect, you think it's strange for people to be biased against vampires? Vampires feed on people. Disliking vampires is not racism, it's self preservation.

I play as a werewolf. I completely understand why some people might not be comfortable with WWs. We shapeshift into savage beasts and occasionally eat people.

We are the weirdos, the people who don't like our supernatural kinds are actually the "normal" ones.

EDIT: and yes there are exceptions, vampires and werewolves who get along with normal mortal humans just fine. But in general, vamps and WWs are predators.

I've never experienced any bigotry as a stage 4 vampire. I have never eaten a person as a stage 4 vampire and my character is full vegan. I like werewolves too! I don't think you are strange or a weirdo. You only eat dead people so it's not really a problem, any more than someone would blame a dog or a pig for eating an unattended human corpse.

I don't know if you are reading my point but people don't seem to dislike vampires, nor to vampires make them fear for their survival. As I have said, as a long time stage 4 vampire I have never had cause to feel discriminated against. I think it's racist to look at vamps, ww's and humans differently, we're all sensitive, loving beings, and we can all use a hug! And what is normal anyway? I want you to define that term for me please!

Vegan vampires are an exception though, aren't they? Most vampires prefer warm, live human blood. And yes, my character has fed on corpses - something that might be normal for an animal, but generally humans frown on cannibalism. It's a cultural thing.

As for "normal", I used the word in quotation marks intentionally. What is normal for you is not normal for me, vice versa, etc. The dictionary definition is "usual, average, conforming to a standard". I don't like conforming to a standard, and I don't always act or think in the way that "most people" expect me to.

I wasn't saying that other people are right for hating vamps or WWs, as right and wrong are mostly subjective. I was simply stating that it's not unusual for people to fear or misunderstand something that is different from themselves - especially if that something different has a reputation for occasionally murdering people (whether that reputation is deserved or not).

Abeille · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Look there is fear and hate everywhere, but it doesn't represent the majority's point of view nor the opinions of the powerful. There are a few weridos out there that hate vampires, like that guy in the swamp in greenshade i think who wants you to kill some vampires with him and says he is a vampire hunter, but you can just kill him at the end of that quest and there is one less bigot in the world. Think of it like the South in the US, sure there are a few bigots here and there, but most people don't think that way and you can't live in fear because of a few odd-balls.

This is false. NPCs generally are scared of and hate vampires. Most of them do not react to your character being a vampire because of gameplay reasons, not lore reasons.

You have no choice of killing the person you are speaking of. The only choice in that quest is killing or not killing a vampire in the beginning of it. Again, YOU CANNOT KILL THE VAMPIRE HUNTER, you can only help him destroy the vampires in that cave near the swamp. The vampire hunter even shows up later in the Gold Coast. I did that quest 11 times, I remember it.

There are not "a few bigots". The entire series is full of bigots. It is the base of the series. It is in all TES games to date. Most people do think that way. That's why every single quest in the game that includes vampires is either about you killing them or helping curing them (like the quest that happens after the one you mentioned, also in that swamp), or have them hiding who they are from the general populace that is hunting them. Because that's what the general populace of Tamriel do: They hunt vampires (or run from them).

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

When you are standing around Mournhold, or Stormhaven or Elden Root, how many stage 4 vampires do you see around you? Hundreds! Do you ever see the guards go after them or call them raciest vampy things like "chalk face" or make smug jokes like "How's that pernicious anemia, today gentle lady?". No you don't because they have sensitivity training and know better. They are professionals. They know vampires and humans get along just fine, my vampire has been stage 4 for nearly 3 years, and never ate a person. And the weird vampires that actually freak out and think they need to feed can make relatonships with people who like being fed on, like with Verrandis' little sect of vampires which are NOT related to Lamae, since he was turned by the Baller himself! Vampires are just like normal people, we can be vegans if we want, we are just misunderstood by bigots.

"The Stormcloaks in Skyrim totally do not hate elves, after all they let me join them as an Altmer in that one playthrough where I tried it just to see if it was possible". That's not how it works. Rules that apply to the player character only because of gameplay reasons do not mean it is the general case in the lore.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Still don't believe me even though I am sure you've never been attacked by anyone in a city or anywhere for that matter for being a vampire? Do you think Almalexia or Vivic didn't know you were a vampire? Didn't they show tact and respect by not making a point of it? I hung out with See-all-colors for a long time as a stage 4 vampire, she never said anything about the smell, the worms or the occasional bat swarm. She was cool with it. All of my buddies in the 5 companions knew the score, no bias! Is queen Ayrenn after her years of adventuring so dense she can't tell a stage 4 vamp standing next to her? Yet she chooses to trust her life in your hands, filled with black blood congealing at your fingertips because she isn't racist. She can look past that. Tell me any of this isn't true.

All of this isn't true, because you are not separating gameplay from lore.

theher0not · August 2017

Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.

Cosmetics should NEVER affect power in any way.

Unless it is an active abillity that gives you a temporar change there is no reason to force people to choose between how they look and power.

Imagine how mad people would be if the a costume would unlock new skills for people wearing it, this should be no different.

edit: changed my example so it wouldn't be too specific.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2017

Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.

Abeille wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Look there is fear and hate everywhere, but it doesn't represent the majority's point of view nor the opinions of the powerful. There are a few weridos out there that hate vampires, like that guy in the swamp in greenshade i think who wants you to kill some vampires with him and says he is a vampire hunter, but you can just kill him at the end of that quest and there is one less bigot in the world. Think of it like the South in the US, sure there are a few bigots here and there, but most people don't think that way and you can't live in fear because of a few odd-balls.

This is false. NPCs generally are scared of and hate vampires. Most of them do not react to your character being a vampire because of gameplay reasons, not lore reasons.

You have no choice of killing the person you are speaking of. The only choice in that quest is killing or not killing a vampire in the beginning of it. Again, YOU CANNOT KILL THE VAMPIRE HUNTER, you can only help him destroy the vampires in that cave near the swamp. The vampire hunter even shows up later in the Gold Coast. I did that quest 11 times, I remember it.

There are not "a few bigots". The entire series is full of bigots. It is the base of the series. It is in all TES games to date. Most people do think that way. That's why every single quest in the game that includes vampires is either about you killing them or helping curing them (like the quest that happens after the one you mentioned, also in that swamp), or have them hiding who they are from the general populace that is hunting them. Because that's what the general populace of Tamriel do: They hunt vampires (or run from them).

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

When you are standing around Mournhold, or Stormhaven or Elden Root, how many stage 4 vampires do you see around you? Hundreds! Do you ever see the guards go after them or call them raciest vampy things like "chalk face" or make smug jokes like "How's that pernicious anemia, today gentle lady?". No you don't because they have sensitivity training and know better. They are professionals. They know vampires and humans get along just fine, my vampire has been stage 4 for nearly 3 years, and never ate a person. And the weird vampires that actually freak out and think they need to feed can make relatonships with people who like being fed on, like with Verrandis' little sect of vampires which are NOT related to Lamae, since he was turned by the Baller himself! Vampires are just like normal people, we can be vegans if we want, we are just misunderstood by bigots.

"The Stormcloaks in Skyrim totally do not hate elves, after all they let me join them as an Altmer in that one playthrough where I tried it just to see if it was possible". That's not how it works. Rules that apply to the player character only because of gameplay reasons do not mean it is the general case in the lore.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Still don't believe me even though I am sure you've never been attacked by anyone in a city or anywhere for that matter for being a vampire? Do you think Almalexia or Vivic didn't know you were a vampire? Didn't they show tact and respect by not making a point of it? I hung out with See-all-colors for a long time as a stage 4 vampire, she never said anything about the smell, the worms or the occasional bat swarm. She was cool with it. All of my buddies in the 5 companions knew the score, no bias! Is queen Ayrenn after her years of adventuring so dense she can't tell a stage 4 vamp standing next to her? Yet she chooses to trust her life in your hands, filled with black blood congealing at your fingertips because she isn't racist. She can look past that. Tell me any of this isn't true.

All of this isn't true, because you are not separating gameplay from lore.

Well I might have been wrong about the whole vampire hunter guy, it's been a while since I've done the quest, but as for the rest, my point of view is perfectly valid and true, and back by Empirical evidence acquired while playing the game; your argument is things aren't the way the game is, things are different and for whatever reason the game isn't doing what it should by taking into account some factors that you imagine to be true.

Skyrim isn't this game, you can try to conflate the experience but it's not a valid comparison. While Skyrim had similar issues with what you'd expect as a response for your characters race or nature, it's not the same period, story or even game-play experience, being a single player game.

I've never experienced any of the bigotry you're mentioning, and nobody is ever insensitive enough to talk about my complexion, odor, or choice to be a vegan vampire, which I share with a number of other stage 4 vampires that have just given up pointless consumerism. I think people in Tamriel are more afraid of pick pockets, and blade of woeers, as they should be. I don't need to separate game-play from lore, because they are the same thing. For a simple example, you live life, you watch news, watching news is like reading lore, it may or may not be true, but it is part of the whole experience of life. Lore is to game-play what news is to life, it's a subset. If you want to make valid conclusions you need to make valid observations.

DocFrost72 · August 2017

I could live with this compromise

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I don't see looking like a vampire as a problem. Some people make it sound like vampires are discriminated against in
Tamriel, but that's not the case at all. Tamriel is a far more pluralistic society than anything we have on earth, there is no gender or sexual discrimination, gay marriage has been a thing longer here than in the United Kingdom, and we don't even have gun powder yet, let alone Trident Subs! There is total freedom of belief, no racism except for a few odd bigots here and there usually confined to quests where you get a chance to kill them for their ugly thoughts. Nobody hates anyone for their appearance, race, sexual preferences, alliance choices, or religion, except for a small minority of people with ugly hearts.

Nobody hates vampires, nobody even cares that you are one, rejoice! Yes it's obvious you are one but so is 2/3's of the society! Stop feeling alienated, we are the majority, and people have to accept us the way we are. Don't be ashamed of your awesome skin, just demand that you get your tats back! You don't have to be afraid, you can be proud! Tamriel is vampires! Tamriel is werewolves! Show your skin! Show your love for your comrades!

Er...so I can be killed the second I admit it? No thanks. Play the fighter's guild storyline for five minutes, they (and a vast majority of Tamriel) would kill supers on sight.

Which is why vampires feed to stay undetected, and why we want to look normal. Roleplay, and all that

@Everyone who thinks it is lore breaking, Google immortal blood. Great read and I won't spoil it, but vampires certainly can fool everyone if well fed.

@PvPers: stage one vamps still take extra damage to your fighter's guild abilities in stage one, which imho is the only one that should look normal, and get no passives. None. Zero. Zilch.

@it's achoice peeps: it is, and if I go into Cyrodiil on a vamp I pay heavily. If I want any passives, I pay in extra fire damage (name a single dungeon that has no fire damage. I'll wait).

Honestly I don't buy that book. I read it, but I think it's just propaganda, a ghost story to make kids scared. Like Mark Twain Kinda' said: "Don't read the newspapers, you are uninformed, read them you are misinformed."

People write things all the time, and that doesn't make it fact, one has to be more critical than to just say because it is lore it is fact, it might as well be lore-fiction.

@AhPook_Is_Here

You meet the hunter in that book in Skyrim. Transformed. The story is real...

Edit: I always bring proof to my arguments.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Movarth_Piquine

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