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On the topic of "normal looking vampires", how would you feel if...
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Leogon✭✭✭✭✭
✭I could live with this compromise
You get an awesome for this.
There seems to be a lot of people who don't know about the lore.
This should be stickied at the top of every vampire thread. Maybe we wouldn't get so many "you don't like the look then don't become one" comments every time someone asks to look normal.
Yeah, I don't know how many times I typed this in the forums. Should put a FAQ in the OP of every thread like this.
(Read the answers like a Fallout announcement)
Q: But isn't it against the lore? Vampires should look like vampires!
A: No, fellow forum-goer! In fact, vampires are very interesting creatures. For starters, there are many different bloodlines, and they have some very specific abilities. Including, yes, hiding their vampiric appearance from mortals! Ohh, sneaky!
Q: But our bloodline doesn't have that ability!
A: Ah, but there is a little catch here! Lamae Bal did say her children hide among the mortals! Do you know what it means? Exactly! If we had this ability in game, it would be perfectly in line with that bit of dialogue that is already there!
Q: Okay but that can mean something else! Maybe she just meant they wear masks or something!
A: Don't worry, we've got you covered! We have some really funky magic in Tamriel, it is called... You guessed it! Illusion Magic! There are several things you can use Illusion Magic for: It can help you when you need your yelling child to calm down, or make the neighbor's dog bite his ankle for you! It can even convince your mother you already did the dishes! But most importantly, it can make you look like someone else, even like yourself before you became a vampire!
Q: But I don't know how to make magic! The tomes have no pictures and the mages are all so smug!
A: Fear not! We have professional enchanters that can offer you their impeccable services for a moderate but fair price! A piece of jewelry or a gem is all you need, and after having it enchanted, you can wear it whenever you need to pass as a mortal, or even as a goblin if that's more of your thing! Ah, the wonders of enchanting!
So stop posting without reading and find your ideal method TODAY!
Edited by Leogon on August 3, 2017 3:12AM4 -
Sweetpea704✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromiseVampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.
The vampires didn't look that awful in any other elder scrolls game. For example, in Skyrim, there is a vamp alchemist that hangs out in the court in Solitude. You actually kind of find out through dialogue that she has "been around a while" and it is assumed that she is a vamp. Obviously, if she looked pasty white and nasty, like the ESO vamps, she couldn't be incognito all those years.5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sweetpea704 wrote: »Vampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.
The vampires didn't look that awful in any other elder scrolls game. For example, in Skyrim, there is a vamp alchemist that hangs out in the court in Solitude. You actually kind of find out through dialogue that she has "been around a while" and it is assumed that she is a vamp. Obviously, if she looked pasty white and nasty, like the ESO vamps, she couldn't be incognito all those years.
Or had glowy orange eyes... thanks Dawnguard.![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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Code2501✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »
They can literally do so in eso also by simply putting on a disguise.
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lucky_Sage✭✭✭✭✭Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.i don't care about the cons I just don't want to look like one at all not when fighting they look uglyDC PC NA
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RupzSkooma✭✭✭✭Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.However there could be other types of Vampire . Like Cyrodilic type , that doesn't look different from normal folks unless they are not well fed .
But I strongly but respectfully disagree with people who want to get the perks of the vampire and not look like it .Elder Kings II is a Role Playing Elder Scrolls mod for Crusader Kings III.0 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.But you're pretty much always in combat.
I don't know why anyone would care if vampires don't look like vampires as they are currently. I mean, if people wanted to hide their vampirism, they could wear a full-face helmet, so what difference does it make if people want their vampires to not look like walking vein-ridden corpses, and have a more normal appearance? People just hate change. If the game had launched with vampires that could hide their vampirism, nobody would have had a single issue with it.
Edited by SydneyGrey on August 3, 2017 6:22AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »
They can literally do so in eso also by simply putting on a disguise.
My only gripe with disguises is, they also shut down all other cosmetic elements on a character. If they'd keep your modified hair styles, facial and body markings... then, yeah, I'd be all over that suggestion, and probably pretty happy with the option. As is... not as much.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Malnutrition wrote: »
Hey, there's this fantasy RPG franchise where vampires can conceal their nature with varying degrees of effectiveness. I think it's called, "The Elder Scrolls," or something like that.5 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromiseVampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.
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There seems to be a lot of people who don't know about the lore.
This should be stickied at the top of every vampire thread. Maybe we wouldn't get so many "you don't like the look then don't become one" comments every time someone asks to look normal.
Yeah, I don't know how many times I typed this in the forums. Should put a FAQ in the OP of every thread like this.
(Read the answers like a Fallout announcement)
Q: But isn't it against the lore? Vampires should look like vampires!
A: No, fellow forum-goer! In fact, vampires are very interesting creatures. For starters, there are many different bloodlines, and they have some very specific abilities. Including, yes, hiding their vampiric appearance from mortals! Ohh, sneaky!
Q: But our bloodline doesn't have that ability!
A: Ah, but there is a little catch here! Lamae Bal did say her children hide among the mortals! Do you know what it means? Exactly! If we had this ability in game, it would be perfectly in line with that bit of dialogue that is already there!
Q: Okay but that can mean something else! Maybe she just meant they wear masks or something!
A: Don't worry, we've got you covered! We have some really funky magic in Tamriel, it is called... You guessed it! Illusion Magic! There are several things you can use Illusion Magic for: It can help you when you need your yelling child to calm down, or make the neighbor's dog bite his ankle for you! It can even convince your mother you already did the dishes! But most importantly, it can make you look like someone else, even like yourself before you became a vampire!
Q: But I don't know how to make magic! The tomes have no pictures and the mages are all so smug!
A: Fear not! We have professional enchanters that can offer you their impeccable services for a moderate but fair price! A piece of jewelry or a gem is all you need, and after having it enchanted, you can wear it whenever you need to pass as a mortal, or even as a goblin if that's more of your thing! Ah, the wonders of enchanting!
So stop posting without reading and find your ideal method TODAY!
Edited by Aliyavana on August 3, 2017 6:55AM0 -
mrdiamond666✭✭✭Still don't want that. Vampires should always look like vampires.Im good with the VAMP look. The more gruesome the better.
Edited by mrdiamond666 on August 3, 2017 6:55AM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.I just want my +10% resource recovery without looking like I have syphilis. Such an OP buff should never have been attached to vampirism to begin with.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »I just want my +10% resource recovery without looking like I have syphilis. Such an OP buff should never have been attached to vampirism to begin with.
New buff: "Drenched in Kerosene."0 -
Jake1576✭✭✭✭✭Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.I just want vampire Dark stalker to be fixed i'm alright with the way they look
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.starkerealm wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »I just want my +10% resource recovery without looking like I have syphilis. Such an OP buff should never have been attached to vampirism to begin with.
New buff: "Drenched in Kerosene."
Vampires should take a lot more than +15% fire damage. 15% is literally nothing when you have a shield on you at all times (as a magicka toon) plus a flurry of buffs and heals from your supports. Not to mention that very few enemies in the game even deal fire damage.
There should be an actual cost-benefit to being a vampire. Right now it's all benefit.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 3, 2017 8:05AM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not good enough. I don't want to be a vampire. I just want the benefits.Vampires are Vampires. They should look, act and be reacted to like a Vampire. That is Lore. You want to be a Vampire, look like one. If you don't want to look like a Vampire, then don't be one.
The problem is that one of the strongest buffs in the game is tied to being a vampire (+10% resource recovery). This makes it almost mandatory for endgame (especially after the regen nerfs).
There shouldn't be such a powerful buff attached to something that really should be a role play decision.
Someone should choose to be a vampire if they want to be a vampire. They shouldn't have to be a vampire to get optimal endgame performance.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 3, 2017 8:13AM1 -
WoodenHeart✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromiseWhat about having a memento that temporarily hides vampirism? It could last, say, 15 minutes and be usable anywhere. You'd get no vampire passives or skills while it's active, but you'd look normal for roleplaying or screenshots or while you're banking or doing writs. You could cast it again to remove it when you're ready to go kill stuff again. Or maybe it just removes itself if you get into combat...1 -
GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromiseVampires, being diseased undead creatures, are not meant to look "pretty", in spite of what some ridiculous teenybopper fangirls and their favorite franchises will try to tell you. Dead bodies are not pretty to look at (go look at some yourself if you don't believe me). HOWEVER, vampires CAN utilize masks, makeup, illusion magic, etc. in order to hide their vampirism. No reason why a vampire shouldn't be able to change their appearance. In fact, it's almost an essential quality of being a vampire - it's hard to feed on unsuspecting humans if they can immediately identify you as being a "monster". TES lore is filled with vampires, and the vast majority of them go out of their way to hide their "gift" / disease / curse.
As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.2 -
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Exactly.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.
But what we've got in the game?
- nobody cares if you look like a real blood sucker,
- you can't hide your deadly appearence (or you don't need to since nobody cares?).
It's one of the reasons why I wonder how RP players could do their RPing in such lore-broken game.One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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GreyWolf_79✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromise
Exactly.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.
But what we've got in the game?
- nobody cares if you look like a real blood sucker,
- you can't hide your deadly appearence (or you don't need to since nobody cares?).
It's one of the reasons why I wonder how RP players could do their RPing in such lore-broken game.
Fortunately for me, I RP as a werewolf. I only look like a werewolf when I turn into one. My sympathies go out to the bloodsuckers.
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromise
Exactly.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.
But what we've got in the game?
- nobody cares if you look like a real blood sucker,
- you can't hide your deadly appearence (or you don't need to since nobody cares?).
It's one of the reasons why I wonder how RP players could do their RPing in such lore-broken game.
Funny you should ask. As someone who has roleplayed vampires since launch I can tell you that among roleplayers it's generally accepted that everyone pretends vampires in Stage 1 look "normal" or at least passably mortal. Therefore it was a GREAT boon to us to get the stage timers extended. I remember the bad old days when Stage one was like 30 minutes. But overall it's a PIA. You're constantly running into other players who insist they "can just tell" your character is a vampire and of course even good roleplayers have a tendency to treat you differently because the player knows your character is a vampire even if it their character doesn't. This is why I always run TWO versions of my main.
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But even with maxxed character slots it simply isn't practical to do that with all of them.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!4 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromisestarkerealm wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »
As I recall, Sybille doesn't actually have any effect concealing her vampirism. She's just good at hiding the symptoms. Which the Dawnguard DLC bjorked by giving her new glowing eyes along with every other vampire in the province.
On topic, I'll repeat what I've said many times before: I think, if you have no slotted vampire abilities your visuals should be set to one stage lower than you're actually at. So if you're stage 4, you'd appear to be in stage 3, if you're in stage 1, you'd appear mortal, until you slotted an ability or slipped into stage 2.
Yes, but some people in this thread and other similar threads are convinced that TES vampires should be pink or look like decomposing corpses. Maybe thats true for other fantasy settings but in TES its not like this. We have bloodfiends and creepy stage 4 vampires, but at the same time we have characters that live among humans and no one knows theyre actually vampires (until its too late I suppose).
The fact that we have characters like Sybille, Janus Hassildor etc proves that well-fed vampires can look relatively normal, and it doesnt really matter if its their "natural" (unnatural?) state or some kind of illusion magic... Their vampirism is obvious for us players but not for other characters.Edited by LadyNalcarya on August 3, 2017 3:14PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LadyNalcarya wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »
As I recall, Sybille doesn't actually have any effect concealing her vampirism. She's just good at hiding the symptoms. Which the Dawnguard DLC bjorked by giving her new glowing eyes along with every other vampire in the province.
On topic, I'll repeat what I've said many times before: I think, if you have no slotted vampire abilities your visuals should be set to one stage lower than you're actually at. So if you're stage 4, you'd appear to be in stage 3, if you're in stage 1, you'd appear mortal, until you slotted an ability or slipped into stage 2.
Yes, but some people in this thread and other similar threads are convinced that TES vampires should be pink or look like decomposing corpses. Maybe thats true for other fantasy settings but in TES its not like this. We have bloodfiends and creepy stage 4 vampires, but at the same time we have characters that live among humans and no one knows theyre actually vampires (until its too late I suppose).
The fact that we have characters like Sybille, Janus Hassildor etc proves that well-fed vampires can look relatively normal, and it doesnt really matter if its their "natural" (innatural?) state or some kind of illusion magic... Their vampirism is obvious for us players but not for other characters.
If there's a legit gripe to be had, it's that the ESO vampires don't show enough difference between stage 1 and 4. Which, I mean, I'm there. I would love it if my Stage 1s were nearly human looking, and stage 4s were some Nosferatu looking lizardflippers. Which is, kinda, what Skyrim and Oblivion did (the TES vampires before Oblivion didn't have multiple stages and were simply binary monsters.) Still, outside of Morrowind, every entry has offered vampires means to blend in to mortal society, and not having it in ESO is kinda weird.1 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromiseMornaBaine wrote: »
Exactly.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.
But what we've got in the game?
- nobody cares if you look like a real blood sucker,
- you can't hide your deadly appearence (or you don't need to since nobody cares?).
It's one of the reasons why I wonder how RP players could do their RPing in such lore-broken game.
Funny you should ask. As someone who has roleplayed vampires since launch I can tell you that among roleplayers it's generally accepted that everyone pretends vampires in Stage 1 look "normal" or at least passably mortal. Therefore it was a GREAT boon to us to get the stage timers extended. I remember the bad old days when Stage one was like 30 minutes. But overall it's a PIA. You're constantly running into other players who insist they "can just tell" your character is a vampire and of course even good roleplayers have a tendency to treat you differently because the player knows your character is a vampire even if it their character doesn't. This is why I always run TWO versions of my main.
and
But even with maxxed character slots it simply isn't practical to do that with all of them.
"I'm going to randomly test you with this silver for absolutely no reason! What, you don't want me rubbing this grimy pendant on you? You MUST be a vampire!"
Sincerely, the vampire hunters of ESO.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »
Exactly.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.
But what we've got in the game?
- nobody cares if you look like a real blood sucker,
- you can't hide your deadly appearence (or you don't need to since nobody cares?).
It's one of the reasons why I wonder how RP players could do their RPing in such lore-broken game.
Funny you should ask. As someone who has roleplayed vampires since launch I can tell you that among roleplayers it's generally accepted that everyone pretends vampires in Stage 1 look "normal" or at least passably mortal. Therefore it was a GREAT boon to us to get the stage timers extended. I remember the bad old days when Stage one was like 30 minutes. But overall it's a PIA. You're constantly running into other players who insist they "can just tell" your character is a vampire and of course even good roleplayers have a tendency to treat you differently because the player knows your character is a vampire even if it their character doesn't. This is why I always run TWO versions of my main.
and
But even with maxxed character slots it simply isn't practical to do that with all of them.
"I'm going to randomly test you with this silver for absolutely no reason! What, you don't want me rubbing this grimy pendant on you? You MUST be a vampire!"
Sincerely, the vampire hunters of ESO.
Funny thing... vampires aren't supposed to be unusually susceptible to silver in TES. They have been in the past, because of how the games are coded, but it's kinda... a fluke vulnerability that never really gets brought up in the lore.3 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromisestarkerealm wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »MornaBaine wrote: »
Exactly.GreyWolf_79 wrote: »As far as lore is concerned: no, most of Tamriel's citizens do NOT tolerate vampires. But yes, vampires ARE able to hide their vampirism.
But what we've got in the game?
- nobody cares if you look like a real blood sucker,
- you can't hide your deadly appearence (or you don't need to since nobody cares?).
It's one of the reasons why I wonder how RP players could do their RPing in such lore-broken game.
Funny you should ask. As someone who has roleplayed vampires since launch I can tell you that among roleplayers it's generally accepted that everyone pretends vampires in Stage 1 look "normal" or at least passably mortal. Therefore it was a GREAT boon to us to get the stage timers extended. I remember the bad old days when Stage one was like 30 minutes. But overall it's a PIA. You're constantly running into other players who insist they "can just tell" your character is a vampire and of course even good roleplayers have a tendency to treat you differently because the player knows your character is a vampire even if it their character doesn't. This is why I always run TWO versions of my main.
and
But even with maxxed character slots it simply isn't practical to do that with all of them.
"I'm going to randomly test you with this silver for absolutely no reason! What, you don't want me rubbing this grimy pendant on you? You MUST be a vampire!"
Sincerely, the vampire hunters of ESO.
Funny thing... vampires aren't supposed to be unusually susceptible to silver in TES. They have been in the past, because of how the games are coded, but it's kinda... a fluke vulnerability that never really gets brought up in the lore.
Tell ZOS that, I'd absolutely love not to take a knockdown or extra damage from a potato spamming silver shards!
Also, TIL. Take an insightful.0 -
I could live with this compromiseHonestly I don't mind their appearances, I just wished the Argonian and Khajiits had fangs that showed, or make Orc lower teeth bigger when a vampire, also war paint shouldn't become hard to see like Tattoo's that are actually part of the skin, war paint is above the skin and shouldn't become as hard to see.
Honestly markings and tattoo's become basically nonexistent as a vampire. I also think the eyes could be of a different shades depending on the race, and glow more instead of looking so bloodshot. Make them more like skyrim vampire eyes and make them glow yellow/orange instead of being a bloodshot red/white (depending on stage)
I have been a member of ESO since April 4th 2014 but didn't get a code until recently when I asked.
My @ name on ESO is the same as on here.1 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could live with this compromisestarkerealm wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »
As I recall, Sybille doesn't actually have any effect concealing her vampirism. She's just good at hiding the symptoms. Which the Dawnguard DLC bjorked by giving her new glowing eyes along with every other vampire in the province.
On topic, I'll repeat what I've said many times before: I think, if you have no slotted vampire abilities your visuals should be set to one stage lower than you're actually at. So if you're stage 4, you'd appear to be in stage 3, if you're in stage 1, you'd appear mortal, until you slotted an ability or slipped into stage 2.
Yes, but some people in this thread and other similar threads are convinced that TES vampires should be pink or look like decomposing corpses. Maybe thats true for other fantasy settings but in TES its not like this. We have bloodfiends and creepy stage 4 vampires, but at the same time we have characters that live among humans and no one knows theyre actually vampires (until its too late I suppose).
The fact that we have characters like Sybille, Janus Hassildor etc proves that well-fed vampires can look relatively normal, and it doesnt really matter if its their "natural" (innatural?) state or some kind of illusion magic... Their vampirism is obvious for us players but not for other characters.
If there's a legit gripe to be had, it's that the ESO vampires don't show enough difference between stage 1 and 4. Which, I mean, I'm there. I would love it if my Stage 1s were nearly human looking, and stage 4s were some Nosferatu looking lizardflippers. Which is, kinda, what Skyrim and Oblivion did (the TES vampires before Oblivion didn't have multiple stages and were simply binary monsters.) Still, outside of Morrowind, every entry has offered vampires means to blend in to mortal society, and not having it in ESO is kinda weird.
Agreed.
I think it would be cool if 3th and 4th stages would be even creepier, with glowing eyes, fangs and whatnot.
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