Are PS4-NA server Guilds really charging members to use Trader?

The_Smilemeister · July 2017

Just realised that's a poor comparison. Only one of the leaders in the picture is a dictator. Lol

generalmyrick · July 2017

they should make guilds not able to disband after they win a trader for a week!

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

This thread is all sorts of special, huh Reg?

Charges no fees (other than the 5k per week that is/was written into the motd iirc from my time in Frost). Was never in Ocean or any of the rest so can't say.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

they should make guilds not able to disband after they win a trader for a week!

Funny you should mention that in this very thread ...

The_Smilemeister · July 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

they should make guilds not able to disband after they win a trader for a week!

Funny you should mention that in this very thread ...

Wonder who's responsible for that? Two names pop to mind immediately.

generalmyrick · July 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

they should make guilds not able to disband after they win a trader for a week!

Funny you should mention that in this very thread ...

i made a special thread with that as its main subject, but it didn't catch fire like this one.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

they should make guilds not able to disband after they win a trader for a week!

Funny you should mention that in this very thread ...

i made a special thread with that as its main subject, but it didn't catch fire like this one.

Because the main instigators were probably not taking part in the conversation/thread you created. 'Some', not all, the GM's within this thread have done this very thing and one still continues to do it on a weekly basis. Seems one group stops and another takes their place. It's all the rage here on PS4 EU.

Jeremy · July 2017

reguvin wrote: »

Im in the Best Trading Guilds on PS4-European server and they are FREE for all members

but most people still donate weekly out of fear

however,

I seriously don't understand why Guildleaders become this greedy to charge their members to use a Guildstore (which will earn the Guildleaders from Tax)

I hope more Guildleaders will make their Guilds FREE for members that want to Trade their stuff on the Traders

As much as I dislike the current guild trader system - and as much as I hate the weekly dues, fees or sale requirements that go along with being in a trading guild.... I can understand why the guilds do it. It's expensive to win bids and you need a popular spot to effectively sell anything.

So I blame the system itself - which is poorly designed - and not the guild leaders themselves assuming they actually use that money to win bids and not pad their own pockets.

Riptide · July 2017

Krista seems like good people to me. I've off and on been in one of the sister guilds, same model and all that.

10k seemed like a lot, 15k seems like a lot.

So do bids in the main hubs.

I'd like to see a breakdown of what things run and such, but I at the end of the day see it as the business transaction it is. If Ive got inventory to move or sit at my traders with less foot traffic (which of course I have, for free), then some simple arithmatic can see when the opportunity cost exceeds the fees. Letting a shipment of produce rot on the dock because you have a moral opposition to tarrifs even when the city is starving is, well.

Do I reckon Krista et al make a profit? I hope so. What a pain in the backside admining such a large production must be.

Do I figure it is an obscene profit over the long haul? Maybe so. 50/50 tossup without seeing the numbers.

But that doesn't factor into the cost benefit analysis.

And like I say, got a good sense of krista - did some fishing with her. Seems the service oriented type. I'm happy to see her be as successful as the system allows her to be.

Some of you guys would really have hated trading in Eve - but some of us would have positively delighted in your....ethics

-ryotog

smacx250 · July 2017

My main trader guild currently has a minimum requirent of 15K raffle entries per week, and in the years I've been a member it has never been without a trader in the most prime location. Week after week I get access to the best buyers. If you want premium, you pay for it. If not, you get what you pay for. Your decision.

Anne13 · August 2017

OpponentSmile66 wrote: »

Anne, Project, and Reggie, the big three on PS4 EU, all in the same thread?! Someone change the name of the thread to Yalta Conference: ESO Edition!

Let's face it, this is all talk and no action too, except one of them runs away without uttering a word. Wonder who that could be, Reggie?

Oh! Hey Oppo!! One of the many millions! Appreciate the compliment " one of the big 3! ) thinking of me in such high regard... there was me thinking you'd come equipped yielding a massive wooden spoon!

Unfadingsilence · August 2017

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Something seems off on PS4 NA.

15K weekly dues X 500 members= 7.5 million gold

Not including sales in the prime spots, is this not enough to secure a space?

Just a few weeks ago on Xbox NA we where trying to get a spot in mournhold and we lost the bid at 10 million

Prof_Bawbag · August 2017

I wonder where Reguvin has ran off to? Now people have called him out regarding donations, he's nowhere to be seen. From claiming not to charge donations to people posting proof that he does indeed request donations. I've looked everywhere for him, but can't find him anywhere. We're missing you terribly, Reg. Please come back.

Just so we're clear, the author of this thread does ask for fees. No idea why he thought he could create such a thread and not get called out.

AbysmalGhul · August 2017

There is no such thing as a "free guild" who competes for a trader. Whether the guild survives on donations, raffles, or required dues... there's a cost no matter how they package it. It requires money to remain competitive in trading. There is a free option though, it's called linking items in zone chat.

nikigwil · August 2017

My boyfriend was in one of reguvins guilds and he does charge fees.
We are now in the same trading guilds and have no problem paying guild fees for our amazing trading spot. Its only a small amount and its not real money so dont see the issue really.

Tactical32 · August 2017

KristaVegas wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

The GM I made my thread about just withdrew 9.5mil from the bank. Probably to buy her a house *sipping that Lipton tea*

Yes, I withdrew 9.5 million. After depositing 10 million. Effectively adding half a million to the trader bid, which all members can see in the bank history. Did you add half a million? Nope, too busy complaining about 15k. Wow, some people love to lie and cause trouble don't they. If you're unhappy in a guild, leave. End of discussion. I wish you the best.

My God, you weren't kidding the other night were you, Krista? This thread is hilarious.

Edit: As to what Riptide said above? I agree with him. I kinda feel GM's SHOULD profit from these things. I can't even imagine let alone begin to speculate how many countless hours she has into maintaining that guild. That's HER time, that she CHOOSES to put in so that people like me and my buddies can slap stuff into a trader and go play the way WE WANT TO PLAY.

I pay her 60k/month and have never thought twice about it. It's ABSOLUTELY worth it to me so I don't have to sit in zone chat spamming for sales. It's annoying. It isn't why I play the game.

I'll never ask what the bid was. Don't care.

I actually find it kind of crazy that she doesn't make a % from this stuff. Same with Goodfella.

I have lots of respect for both of em. It simply can't be easy. Crying about a little gold that may or may not be being pocketed.....

Meh at best.

Balsagna · August 2017

tldr there is no justification for the guild trader system. It is the idea of someone who had the best of intentions, I assume, but it is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen in an MMO.

That being said, noone is forcing you to pay the 15K a week. Go someplace else with a guild leader that doesn't rob you blind. They are out there I am sure.

Tactical32 · August 2017

Balsagna wrote: »

tldr there is no justification for the guild trader system. It is the idea of someone who had the best of intentions, I assume, but it is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen in an MMO.

That being said, noone is forcing you to pay the 15K a week. Go someplace else with a guild leader that doesn't rob you blind. They are out there I am sure.

Agreed. Don't like 15k/week? Leave and join another.

I hear sales in Bal Foyen are solid....

JerzeeDevil · August 2017

KristaVegas wrote: »

I see logic is a lost concept here. I don't see how adding money is stealing money. Perhaps I need a new dictionary. Enjoy your pitchfork party, I have wonderful members to go take care of.

I am one (2 actually, if you count my second PSN account!)

As one who runs small guilds and is small potatoes it is definitely DIFFICULT to get a winning bid in, anywhere!

Iccengi · August 2017

Xbox na the standard dues for a good trading guild is 10k weekly. I can make 10k killing zombies in an hour so I don't see the problem. Having a requirement is a good thing. It keeps idiots out of the guild and makes it so your guild store is full as people are paying for slots and don't want to waste. Having a great trader spot is no use if your store is empty as peeps will just skip you. I know cause I do.

Also my trading guilds have EVERY crafting station and mundus stone in the guild house in game as well as other usable benefits. We have weekly organized events, raffles, giveaways etc etc my bigger trading guild also has a progression trial team you can test into and as it's a family of 5 guilds that means we have potentially 2500 players who can test for trials which is a nice pool to find good players at.

I don't look at that 10k as "just" 30 slots I think of it more like a club membership. I'm paying not just for slots but all the benefits too. TBH I think experienced players who complain about 10-15k must actually not be that experienced cause that's chump change. (Hell I sold 500k overnight sleeping yesterday and that's not that unusual)