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Are PS4-NA server Guilds really charging members to use Trader?
reguvin
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Im in the Best Trading Guilds on PS4-European server and they are FREE for all members
but most people still donate weekly out of fear
however,
I seriously don't understand why Guildleaders become this greedy to charge their members to use a Guildstore (which will earn the Guildleaders from Tax)
I hope more Guildleaders will make their Guilds FREE for members that want to Trade their stuff on the Traders
but most people still donate weekly out of fear
however,
I seriously don't understand why Guildleaders become this greedy to charge their members to use a Guildstore (which will earn the Guildleaders from Tax)
I hope more Guildleaders will make their Guilds FREE for members that want to Trade their stuff on the Traders
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reguvin✭✭✭✭Most active Guilds can make 2 , 3 Million a week if all their Members Sell regularly on the Guildstore
so those people that are forced to Donate are only making the Guildmasters Richer.- Beta Tester
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Most active Guilds can make 2 , 3 Million a week if all their Members Sell regularly on the Guildstore
so those people that are forced to Donate are only making the Guildmasters Richer.
The guild master is certainly not getting richer. Everything the guild earns go towards bids and building a small pot to ensure the guild can keep making bids during bidding wars and such. Nothing into the leaders pockets, though I am sure there has been one or two crooked leaders who obviously would not last long. Something some like to profess or just do not understand the bids guilds make to keep their trader.
To OP, some guilds do have required payments but there are many great guilds that merely have a sales requirement which is usually pretty reasonable. The trading guild I am in has a decent location. Not in the top city. I sell what I want and have never had to pay any gold to stay.
This should be pretty constant across the servers.Edited by idk on July 18, 2017 3:47AM5 -
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✭✭✭Here comes the little white knights defending this. Watch.Edited by andreasranasen on July 18, 2017 3:48AM#VMATOKENSYSTEM #WEAPONDYE #TRAITCHANGE #CROWNCRATELOVER- Alliance/Platform: Aldemerii - PS4/NA - CP 800+
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reguvin✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Most active Guilds can make 2 , 3 Million a week if all their Members Sell regularly on the Guildstore
so those people that are forced to Donate are only making the Guildmasters Richer.
The guild master is certainly not getting richer. Everything the guild earns go towards bids and building a small pot to ensure the guild can keep making bids during bidding wars and such. Nothing into the leaders pockets, though I am sure there has been one or two crooked leaders who obviously would not last long. Something some like to profess or just do not understand the bids guilds make to keep their trader.
To OP, some guilds do have required payments but there are many great guilds that merely have a sales requirement which is usually pretty reasonable. The trading guild I am in has a decent location. Not in the top city. I sell what I want and have never had to pay any gold to stay.
This should be pretty constant across the servers.
That's not my point.
Some Guilds make 3 Mil a week.
They use only 1.5 for a Trader.
Which leaves 1.5 Profit for the Guildmaster. So in the end the Donations wasn't needed.- Beta Tester
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Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Something seems off on PS4 NA.
15K weekly dues X 500 members= 7.5 million gold
Not including sales in the prime spots, is this not enough to secure a space?
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FelixTheCatt✭✭✭Not if you believe the guild traders little cheerleaders.
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Most active Guilds can make 2 , 3 Million a week if all their Members Sell regularly on the Guildstore
so those people that are forced to Donate are only making the Guildmasters Richer.
The guild master is certainly not getting richer. Everything the guild earns go towards bids and building a small pot to ensure the guild can keep making bids during bidding wars and such. Nothing into the leaders pockets, though I am sure there has been one or two crooked leaders who obviously would not last long. Something some like to profess or just do not understand the bids guilds make to keep their trader.
To OP, some guilds do have required payments but there are many great guilds that merely have a sales requirement which is usually pretty reasonable. The trading guild I am in has a decent location. Not in the top city. I sell what I want and have never had to pay any gold to stay.
This should be pretty constant across the servers.
That's not my point.
Some Guilds make 3 Mil a week.
They use only 1.5 for a Trader.
Which leaves 1.5 Profit for the Guildmaster. So in the end the Donations wasn't needed.
It is easy to throw empty numbers around but you have merely spoken empty words to support your claim. Almost as easy as the little hens crying out about guild cheerleaders which is only good for a laugh.
Edit: BTW, I did mention earlier that there have probably been crooked guild leaders before. They would not last long as someone will figure it out. BTW, 1.5 million bid is extremely small for the top guilds you claim to be a member of.Edited by idk on July 18, 2017 4:27AM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭yikes, it would appear this whole guild fee discussion is about to start heading down some dark tracks...
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Eshelmen✭✭✭✭✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Something seems off on PS4 NA.
15K weekly dues X 500 members= 7.5 million gold
Not including sales in the prime spots, is this not enough to secure a space?
Not every guild boots you the week you don't pay your fees. A lot of trading guilds I'm in tend to give you up to four weeks in total payments, and each week you don't pay you get dropped one week of rank. When you're at zero weeks paid, you're most likely going to have your rights to sell revoked. When this happens its usually a specific time to pay up or you get booted. It's usually not an instant kick. So with that said there's always people in this situation. And as well, there's also people with high ranks who aren't required to pay the weekly fee either. So 500 members in theory, but I guarantee you all 500 aren't paying consecutively. It's probably closer to 350-400 at best.Edited by Eshelmen on July 18, 2017 4:35AMPC and PS4 EP only player3 -
SquareSausage✭✭✭✭✭Some crappy little trader out in the stix in the middle of coldharbour routinely go for 300-500k on ps4 EU.
Now, a prime location in Mournhold.....
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✭✭✭The GM I made my thread about just withdrew 9.5mil from the bank. Probably to buy her a house *sipping that Lipton tea*Edited by andreasranasen on July 18, 2017 4:38AM#VMATOKENSYSTEM #WEAPONDYE #TRAITCHANGE #CROWNCRATELOVER- Alliance/Platform: Aldemerii - PS4/NA - CP 800+
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NukeAllTheThings✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Most active Guilds can make 2 , 3 Million a week if all their Members Sell regularly on the Guildstore
so those people that are forced to Donate are only making the Guildmasters Richer.
The guild master is certainly not getting richer. Everything the guild earns go towards bids and building a small pot to ensure the guild can keep making bids during bidding wars and such. Nothing into the leaders pockets, though I am sure there has been one or two crooked leaders who obviously would not last long. Something some like to profess or just do not understand the bids guilds make to keep their trader.
To OP, some guilds do have required payments but there are many great guilds that merely have a sales requirement which is usually pretty reasonable. The trading guild I am in has a decent location. Not in the top city. I sell what I want and have never had to pay any gold to stay.
This should be pretty constant across the servers.
That's not my point.
Some Guilds make 3 Mil a week.
They use only 1.5 for a Trader.
Which leaves 1.5 Profit for the Guildmaster. So in the end the Donations wasn't needed.
1.5 for a trader? Where are those locations because that is pretty cheap.
You don't have to donate, you can always hit the bricks and go to a guild that charges nothing and no sales requirements. You might not like the location but you aren't willing to pay so you get what you get"it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days." - Matt Firor2 -
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✭✭Not sure if this has any impact on guild income or trader sales, but on PS4 we don't have any add-ons to assist with finding items - not even a search for item by name - you have to trudge around the guilds one by one to find what you want, hopefully at the right price.
I haven't seen or found a successful 'free' guild for some time now, the one I was in went belly up because someone got sick of having to do the daily/weekly raffle draws and the guild fell apart.
Most free or cheap guilds that get regular traders are always in out of the way places with stuff all turn over.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭3 Mill isn't close to enough for a trader in the major cities. They cost 7 mill.
My guild has no required donations it loses its trader every month or so
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KristaVegas✭✭✭andreasranasen wrote: »The GM I made my thread about just withdrew 9.5mil from the bank. Probably to buy her a house *sipping that Lipton tea*
Yes, I withdrew 9.5 million. After depositing 10 million. Effectively adding half a million to the trader bid, which all members can see in the bank history. Did you add half a million? Nope, too busy complaining about 15k. Wow, some people love to lie and cause trouble don't they. If you're unhappy in a guild, leave. End of discussion. I wish you the best.27 -
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✭✭In PS4 NA, 6 months before fee was 5K and now 15 K.
These guild guaranteed traders at good location but definately this fee stuff is too much.1 -
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✭✭✭KristaVegas wrote: »andreasranasen wrote: »The GM I made my thread about just withdrew 9.5mil from the bank. Probably to buy her a house *sipping that Lipton tea*
Yes, I withdrew 9.5 million. After depositing 10 million. Effectively adding half a million to the trader bid, which all members can see in the bank history. Did you add half a million? Nope, too busy complaining about 15k. Wow, some people love to lie and cause trouble don't they. If you're unhappy in a guild, leave. End of discussion. I wish you the best.
Yes keep robbing your members. You too! Toodles!Edited by andreasranasen on July 18, 2017 5:34AM#VMATOKENSYSTEM #WEAPONDYE #TRAITCHANGE #CROWNCRATELOVER- Alliance/Platform: Aldemerii - PS4/NA - CP 800+
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KristaVegas✭✭✭I see logic is a lost concept here. I don't see how adding money is stealing money. Perhaps I need a new dictionary. Enjoy your pitchfork party, I have wonderful members to go take care of.16
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »In PS4 NA, 6 months before fee was 5K and now 15 K.
These guild guaranteed traders at good location but definately this fee stuff is too much.
Sadly, I feel the prices will only go higher..."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Exodium✭✭✭✭Yep Back Alley Trading requires 15k a week and I'm not playing much atm due to work and lag so it's becoming hard to manage a profit. Might eventually have to leave.
I like Precise Chaos' guild model. They only require a 5k initial donation to use their guild store, and appreciate any future donations. You also get instant access to guild bank after donation. Plus they have their main guild store in big cities like wayrest, mournhold etc.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »In PS4 NA, 6 months before fee was 5K and now 15 K.
These guild guaranteed traders at good location but definately this fee stuff is too much.
Sadly, I feel the prices will only go higher...
To be fair, profits are MUCH higher on console than PC. All your items sell for 2-3x as much as they do on PC.
A 15k fee is the equivalent of the tax you'd contribute on ~400k sales, which isn't too hard to get on console considering how much everything sells for.
That's assuming of course the trader is in a good location.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 18, 2017 6:10AM1 -
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✭✭✭andreasranasen wrote: »Here comes the little white knights defending this. Watch.
Oh you mean the ones that claim this is the best way to have a market place in an mmo compared to the other 99.999999% of mmo's using the same layout?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »In PS4 NA, 6 months before fee was 5K and now 15 K.
These guild guaranteed traders at good location but definately this fee stuff is too much.
Sadly, I feel the prices will only go higher...
To be fair, profits are MUCH higher on console than PC. All your items sell for 2-3x as much as they do on PC.
A 15k fee is the equivalent of the tax you'd contribute on ~400k sales, which isn't too hard to get on console considering how much everything sells for.
That's assuming of course the trader is in a good location.
True, some things on the traders sell for redonkulous amounts. Those coffin cases and lids don't make themselves
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Makes sense, in short gold is inflated on console, is in an trade guild with trader in Wayrest PC-EUMLGProPlayer wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »In PS4 NA, 6 months before fee was 5K and now 15 K.
These guild guaranteed traders at good location but definately this fee stuff is too much.
Sadly, I feel the prices will only go higher...
To be fair, profits are MUCH higher on console than PC. All your items sell for 2-3x as much as they do on PC.
A 15k fee is the equivalent of the tax you'd contribute on ~400k sales, which isn't too hard to get on console considering how much everything sells for.
That's assuming of course the trader is in a good location.
20K sale or 1K donation, just got an warning that sales was too low as I have little to sell mostly run dungeons.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭andreasranasen wrote: »Here comes the little white knights defending this. Watch.
What have you started? Lol1 -
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✭Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Something seems off on PS4 NA.
15K weekly dues X 500 members= 7.5 million gold
Not including sales in the prime spots, is this not enough to secure a space?
Shhhhhh, you will be crucified by those too blind to see the problem with this.0 -
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✭I'm not taking sides, but in Krista's defense I have no doubts that she is NOT taking money from the guild. I was a member on and off for quite awhile. I stopped playing for about 8 months and was rightfully removed as to be expected.
Upon returning to ESO I reached out to her and was back in the very next day. Nothing ever raised suspicion of her taking money from the guild. Do I believe in the increase to 15k/week dues are necessary? No, and I stand firmly enough behind that to the point where I decided tonight to leave the guild. If things were to change I would gladly go back as most of the members are very relaxed.
If you are ever given the opportunity to join, and are fine with 15k weekly dues then by all means do so with confidence that Krista does run a solid guild and has always come through on a prime trader location. I will give away my stuff if she was ever exposed as a shady GM. There is definitely something wrong somewhere though that makes it necessary to have 15k dues when I've never seen or heard of any other large trading guilds with such steep fees. I really hope this changes for the better and not the worse.2 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not taking sides, but in Krista's defense I have no doubts that she is NOT taking money from the guild. I was a member on and off for quite awhile. I stopped playing for about 8 months and was rightfully removed as to be expected.
Upon returning to ESO I reached out to her and was back in the very next day. Nothing ever raised suspicion of her taking money from the guild. Do I believe in the increase to 15k/week dues are necessary? No, and I stand firmly enough behind that to the point where I decided tonight to leave the guild. If things were to change I would gladly go back as most of the members are very relaxed.
If you are ever given the opportunity to join, and are fine with 15k weekly dues then by all means do so with confidence that Krista does run a solid guild and has always come through on a prime trader location. I will give away my stuff if she was ever exposed as a shady GM. There is definitely something wrong somewhere though that makes it necessary to have 15k dues when I've never seen or heard of any other large trading guilds with such steep fees. I really hope this changes for the better and not the worse.
Even on PC, the discrepancy in sales requirements between guilds in the same location can be vast. There is nothing wrong with charging more than other guilds. It's up to the members to decide if its worthwhile to stay or not. No sense in complaining about it. Higher fees = more trader security.
If this is a Rawl'kha guild (or even Mournhold), and considering how much inflation there is on the console market, asking for 15k dues isn't really a lot.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 18, 2017 7:42AM3 -
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✭✭✭Not entirely sure if this is a tongue in cheek thread or not, Reguvin. If it is, then props to you.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »In PS4 NA, 6 months before fee was 5K and now 15 K.
These guild guaranteed traders at good location but definately this fee stuff is too much.
Sadly, I feel the prices will only go higher...
Yea, in a month they will ask to pay 20k but I am seeing lot of empty guilds not even have weapons for sale. Not sure how are they getting gold for bids!
Only way to control is having Auction House. Which will probably never happen!Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 18, 2017 8:41AM0
