Wizards Riposte procs while shield-stacking - bug?

Stigant · August 2017

Even though Absorb shields don't take the extra critical damage, scoring a critical hit on target wearing Wizards Riposte set and having absorb shields up, procs the set.

Wizard's Riposte says .. "when you take critical damage, you apply minor maim to enemy ...."

Tested, using Shadowy Disguise skill (guarantees next hit to be critical), on Sorcerer stacking shields. Wizard's Riposte proced consistently 100% times. The damage never took away all the shields to actually touch the targets health.

olsborg · August 2017

Stigant wrote: »

Even though Absorb shields don't take the extra critical damage, scoring a critical hit on target wearing Wizards Riposte set and having absorb shields up, procs the set.

Wizard's Riposte says .. "when you take critical damage, you apply minor maim to enemy ...."

Tested, using Shadowy Disguise skill (guarantees next hit to be critical), on Sorcerer stacking shields. Wizard's Riposte proced consistently 100% times. The damage never took away all the shields to actually touch the targets health.

Yea, the way it works atm keeps 100% uptime on unlimited amount of targets. I saw a friend magplar using this set in 1vX and literally all the 10+ish guys hitting on him was debuffed by this the whole fight (he lost in the end) but this set is OP imo.

arkansas_ESO · August 2017

You can still technically crit shields, they're just programmed to have 9999 crit resistance so your crits don't do any extra damage. This is why you can proc things like Scathing Mage while hitting a shield.

Capsaica · August 2017

Exactly what @arkansas_ESO said, you will critically hit a shield just as often as you will critically hit anything else - you just won't do any additional damage beyond your base attack.

You are technically still doing critical damage though.

Stigant · August 2017

Capsaica wrote: »

Exactly what @arkansas_ESO said, you will critically hit a shield just as often as you will critically hit anything else - you just won't do any additional damage beyond your base attack.

You are technically still doing critical damage though.

ok .. I misunderstood the mechanics regarding the absorb shields then ... my bad

Althought .. It makes Shield-Stackers even harder to kill now .. if they use that set

Strider_Roshin · August 2017

Stigant wrote: »

Capsaica wrote: »

Exactly what @arkansas_ESO said, you will critically hit a shield just as often as you will critically hit anything else - you just won't do any additional damage beyond your base attack.

You are technically still doing critical damage though.

ok .. I misunderstood the mechanics regarding the absorb shields then ... my bad

Althought .. It makes Shield-Stackers even harder to kill now .. if they use that set

Nothing like exacerbating an already broken mechanic.

Waffennacht · August 2017

They gave up a set for minor maim.

Meaning they gave up: lich, or Amber, or necro etc...

Consider it a win

Hutch679 · August 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

They gave up a set for minor maim.

Meaning they gave up: lich, or Amber, or necro etc...

Consider it a win

^this. You guys seriously think that giving up a 5 piece bonus for MINOR maim is OP? Lol tell me how you feel about the upcoming Shadowrend changes then lol

Qbiken · August 2017

Personally I think Wizard´s should be reworked so it doesn´t give you the debuff if It hits a shield with critical damage. The debuff Wizard´s Riposte applies is strong (but not OP)

OdinForge · August 2017

Wizard's riposte makes it harder for zerglings with low damage zerg/tank builds to kill their target, people with good builds can still kill people using Wizard's.

What's the issue there, stop zerging and L2P?

Minno · August 2017

OdinForge wrote: »

Wizard's riposte makes it harder for zerglings with low damage zerg/tank builds to kill their target, people with good builds can still kill people using Wizard's.

What's the issue there, stop zerging and L2P?

I wonder if templars can purge the debuffs

Malamar1229 · August 2017

Stigant wrote: »

Capsaica wrote: »

Exactly what @arkansas_ESO said, you will critically hit a shield just as often as you will critically hit anything else - you just won't do any additional damage beyond your base attack.

You are technically still doing critical damage though.

ok .. I misunderstood the mechanics regarding the absorb shields then ... my bad

Althought .. It makes Shield-Stackers even harder to kill now .. if they use that set

But they're sacrificing a lot of damage.....

Malamar1229 · August 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

They gave up a set for minor maim.

Meaning they gave up: lich, or Amber, or necro etc...

Consider it a win

Honestly. I dont get it. These are call of duty scrubs that want nerfs when they cant kill someone...nevermind the fact the Sorc gives up damage to sustain/survive which is EXACTLY what the morrowwind balance changes intended to do....
It's no different than a heavy armor tank who can take 20 players beating on him but hits like a wet noodle.

Malamar1229 · August 2017

Qbiken wrote: »

Personally I think Wizard´s should be reworked so it doesn´t give you the debuff if It hits a shield with critical damage. The debuff Wizard´s Riposte applies is strong (but not OP)

why? so we can add yet another set to the 100s of worthless sets out there?

Durham · August 2017

So someone with shields effectively can wear light and reproduce the same mitigation as heavy with no chance to crit damage on shields lol ...
Hmm another issue with shields lol

Joy_Division · August 2017

What it boils down to is that people have no problem when they get beneficial procs when they "crit" shields. They only complain when they get negative effects. They want the advantages without disadvantageous side effects.

AverageJo3Gam3r · August 2017

This set is strong...on a mDK. No shields needed. On my mDK I gave up heavy seducers for wizards reposte and had my damage, survivability and sustain go up.

NBrookus · August 2017

Minno wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Wizard's riposte makes it harder for zerglings with low damage zerg/tank builds to kill their target, people with good builds can still kill people using Wizard's.

What's the issue there, stop zerging and L2P?

I wonder if templars can purge the debuffs

You can purge minor main, but if you are actively in combat with a wearer it basically just wastes one of your debuff slots with ritual. Riposte is very near 100% uptime.

If you haven't encountered a Riposte/Pirate sorc yet, prepared to roll your eyes. They can't kill anything alone but boy do they have mitigation for days. And Mages Wrath.

Qbiken · August 2017

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Personally I think Wizard´s should be reworked so it doesn´t give you the debuff if It hits a shield with critical damage. The debuff Wizard´s Riposte applies is strong (but not OP)

why? so we can add yet another set to the 100s of worthless sets out there?

Wizard is strong even on non-shieldstackers.

ToRelax · August 2017

So we get a set on PTS which appears to be the defensive BG set for light armor users. We test it, works fine, it's strong but not clearly outcompeting other good sets.

Months later, with the next update almost there, some people notice it actually works for the intended audience and start complaining...

It is a strong set, yes. But I'm not about to give up something like Lich for it. I suppose if I don't instantly die without Wizard's Riposte and kill you, my sustain sets are OP as well? >_>

Rianai · August 2017

It is mainly op in group fights because it doesn't only debuff an unlimited amount of enemy players, but also provides dmg mitigation for every ally arround, not only for the WR user. I would like to see the Minor Maim duration reduced to something like 5 seconds. It would still be as strong in 1vs1 and 1vsX, or generally in situations where the WR user gets focused heavily, but it would make counterplay (= not attacking the WR user) a bit more reasonable, because it would be less punishing to accidentially hit somebody with said set, which is often not avoidable.

Emma_Overload · August 2017

Man, this is RIDICULOUS! You guys ALREADY nerfed the Pirate Skeleton set so that it was useless to Sorcs, and now you want to nerf ANOTHER one???

There are already a limited number of sets that synergize with Sorcerers, we don't need to reduce that number any further.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · August 2017

Wizard riposte is quietly one of my favorite sets in the game for magblade. Makes LA survivability much more forgiving. Worth a shot if you can get a cheap set put together, it surprised the hell out of me.

ToRelax · August 2017

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Man, this is RIDICULOUS! You guys ALREADY nerfed the Pirate Skeleton set so that it was useless to Sorcs, and now you want to nerf ANOTHER one???

There are already a limited number of sets that synergize with Sorcerers, we don't need to reduce that number any further.

Well I still use Pirate Skeleton, actually...

CatchMeTrolling · August 2017

The set doesn't need a nerf really, the solution to thing's shouldn't always be a nerf.

HowlKimchi · August 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

They gave up a set for minor maim.

Meaning they gave up: lich, or Amber, or necro etc...

Consider it a win

not to mention that wizard's riposte doesnt have max magicka on the set bonuses. making it less ideal for shield stacking.

Stigant · August 2017

I've seen magsorcs running it very successfully in cyrodiil and still killing people with their timed curse-wrath-frag-shock combo. Also even thought the set doesn't directly contribute to their shield strength, you deal less damage to it anyway, because of the minor maim proc. Plus the set gives a bit of regen and bit of damage. So very well rounded stats.

Just to be clear, I haven't intended to call out for nerfs by making this thread. I just misunderstood the "no crit damage on shields" mechanics which directly led me to conclusion that the set is not behaving as intended. I stand corrected, end of discussion. Thank you all.

Nutshotz · August 2017

Hey now. Leave my riposte set alone! It's one of the many reasons why I'm back to playing a destro/resto magblade.

Yes the set is strong but I don't think it's OP. If you think this set is OP, I'm assuming you think these are too?

One Hand and Shield Ability: Low Slash+Morphs
Nightblade Shadow Ability: Mass Hysteria (Morph of Aspect of Terror)
Nightblade Shadow Ability: Summon Shade+Morphs
Dragonknight Draconic Power Ability: Choking Talons (Morph of Dark Talons)
Alchemy Poison: Increase Weapon Power (Blessed Thistle, Stinkhorn, Dragonthorn)
Alchemy Poison/Potion: Lower Weapon Power (Imp Stool, Luminous Russula, Mountain Flower)
Secondary Damage Type Effect: Frost
Armor Set: Knightmare (Loot)
Armor Set: Shadowrend (Loot)
Armor Set: Wizard's Riposte (Loot)

All of those give minor maim @ 15% now these ones give it @ 30%

Templar Dawn's Wrath Ultimate: Nova+Morphs
Warden Winter's Embrace Ability: Frozen Device (Morph of Frozen Gate)

Enjoy!

pcar944 · August 2017

this set is fun to use on mag character sorc, magblade, makes it a little more survivable out there in light armor