Running an instance once in normal difficulty does not mean anything. Maybe you are grouped with a couple of 630cp who will burn everything down and you simply follow them. RoM according to me is one of those instances where you simply need a mic, just like the other DLC dungeons. It does require a bit of brain and coordination with the team.

I've stopped going to DLC dungeons with random groups because it always ends up like that: you are grouped with people that should not be there at all, wasting time.

ZOS should totally:

• Enforce minimum CPs to All "2" and DLC veteran dungeons.
• Prevent people from queuing up as more than a role. I am sick of a tank that has less Health than I do (23K and I am a healer) and goes down with two hits.
• Group people together trying to reduce the variation of CP as much as possible.

Yes please! Had a great time getting destroyed in white gold tower because we kept getting people who where below CP160 make vet DLCs minimum of cp160 because people at CP60 are not going to be helpfull 99% of the time

I honestly think anyone below CP 160 shouldn't be allowed into vet content

Slick_007 wrote: »

vrine wrote: »

The other night I ran vRoM as a tank. Both the healer and DPS had not run the dungeon at all before, and one was below 100 CP. As expected, we couldn't make it past Xal-nur. This wouldn't be an issue if it was a one off, but it happens 9/10 times I attempt to PUG harder vet dungeons (i.e WGT, CoS etc).

Yes realistically I can't expect too much while pugging. But if people were forced to run the normal version of a dungeon before the vet, I believe it would help solve half the problem.

What do you guys think?

maybe you should help them with the mechanics instead. they gotta learn them somehow.

I should've mentioned that I do, every time. I'm also very patient. Recently attempted Velidreth with a group that wasn't familiar with the mechanics, and succeeded after 23 tries.
And I have no problem doing so, because I've been there, I've been the person needing the teaching. But it doesn't stop it from being taxing.

It's not just the mechanics. At some point you need to burn down the enemy before he spreads fire all over the place or his attacks end up one shotting everyone. Mechanics are probably the most important factor. But firepower is very important too.

Having done normal is not totally unreasonable but tbh it's 99.8% useless. Normal is way too easy and if you have as much as one decent player you can safely ignore most mechanics. Tbh only way normal is gonna teach you anything is if you're all lowbies with extremely subpar gear and no idea about game mechanics - then the fights will actually take long enough to show you their mechanics. But gods forbid there's even a 200 cp with 17k dps, you're gonna learn nothing.

Xal Nur is actually not a bad fight. I really like it(and am very sad about it being nerfed :'( ), it's probably one of my favourite fights in whole game atm. The catch is it has 0 dps requirement, it's all about mechanics. It's in fact one of the few fights in game that doesn't have a dps race element. You don't have to hurry with killing archers because you got wamasu for that, you don't have to hurry with killing troll because new one won't spawn until boss hits certain dps % so however low your dps is you just gotta focus troll instead of boss, and you aren't in any hurry to dps the boss down because he'll become invulnerable at 2/3 and 1/3 health no matter your dps. I wish we had more of such extremely mechanics centered fights in game.

Subsequently, this means vet Xal Nur is doable at absolutely any cp as long as you have 16k+ health and are capable of following instructions. Unfortunately, most people aren't used to that which is part of why I wish we had more fights like that. It's like you roflstomp through all the game and every dungeon and then SUDDENLY you have to carry the spice, and free wamasu, and block charges, and bash trolls, and dodge the breath...people just get lost because the whole mechanics following concept is extremely novel to them unless they've done vet dlc dungeons before pretty much, there's nothing in the rest of the game to prepare you for it.

Last ROM boss is a slightly different story though, totem is a dps check and low cp does make it quite a bit harder.