Some questions:

Why 2H? (I imagine is for FM purge)
Why shadow instead of thief?
Are you planing proc Merc ressolve? How?

Hows your tether tooltip with minor berserk and major brut?

I see no gap closer, why?

CavalryPK wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Some questions:

Why 2H? (I imagine is for FM purge)
Why shadow instead of thief?
Are you planing proc Merc ressolve? How?

Hows your tether tooltip with minor berserk and major brut?

I see no gap closer, why?

good questions.


Why 2H? (I imagine is for FM purge) - Since you have FM.. you are not going to be rooted during the fights (mostly)... which means your cripple will be your gap closer ... sort of. cast cripple and run to the target..

Why shadow instead of thief? - I prefer shadow in CP campaign . would swap to thief in non CP.


Are you planing proc Merc ressolve? How? - yes. cast MR. swap to resto LA + shade LA+ cripple + run to the target +LA Swap weapon + LA CW+ LA FEAR + LA MR.... something like this...


How's your tether tooltip with minor berserk and major brut? - about 12-13k. website bugges out when i chose both of the buffs at the same time.

I see no gap closer, why? - contemplating about this one. may need to swap to mist form with cloak and put lotus fan on the front bar...

interesting, I see were you are going...

However, consider thief. Under 50% crit chance you are losing a lot DPS. Also consider moar crit chance implies a moar reliable FM, and shadow doesn't work if you don't crit

Jaxaxo wrote: »

Offhand Bloodthorn works similar to amberplasm and let u play 5/5/2 setup with full monster. Maybe go for war maiden main bar (since u dont run shield, so maybe no need to stack magicka), bloodthorn offbar and monster?

interesting... 600 magicka every 5 seconds = 120 magicka per second.. hmm i am not sure how this will work. getting a little regen but loosing a lot of dmg. i think i need to test it out....

I did consider war maiden... i am going to test it out.

CavalryPK wrote: »

Jaxaxo wrote: »

Offhand Bloodthorn works similar to amberplasm and let u play 5/5/2 setup with full monster. Maybe go for war maiden main bar (since u dont run shield, so maybe no need to stack magicka), bloodthorn offbar and monster?

interesting... 600 magicka every 5 seconds = 120 magicka per second.. hmm i am not sure how this will work. getting a little regen but loosing a lot of dmg. i think i need to test it out....

I did consider war maiden... i am going to test it out.

U can always switch some jewelery glyphs.

If you're running crippling, its your gap closer

I stopped running Lotus on my Magicka NB a long ass time ago

Xsorus wrote: »

If you're running crippling, its your gap closer

I stopped running Lotus on my Magicka NB a long ass time ago

yeh. i actualy never thought cripple to be considered gap closer until i saw @Blobsky use it in his video.

I've been messing around with two different builds one is 5 transmutation/5 riposte/ 2 grathgarr and another 5 riposte/ 5 shackle breaker/ 1 kena. I think i like the riposte shackle breaker the most. I dropped amberplasm because my traits were crap and my rings are blue. I don't know if you considered riposte but i play with it on all my builds its just too good. I feel like lotus fan is pretty unnecessary my abilities are merciless/ forward momentum/ cloak/ concealed weapon/ sap essance / incap... And the back bar is healing ward/ double take/ crippling grasp/ fear/ path or rapid regen (trying to see which i like better)/ resto ultimate.

ninjaguyman wrote: »

I pretty much run the same sets. 5 necro, 5 shackle, 1 pc chokethorn/shadowrend for regen. But i still play a shield build with dampen, which was the reason i stacked heavy into max stats with necro and shackle.

how's mist form working for you though? I would have thought combining FM and shadow image would pretty much do what mist form would provide, ie snare purge and jukes. Seems a bit much to have FM, image, cloak, and mist all on the same build. I honestly would have slotted siphoning attacks in place of mist for more sustain.

Have just got my forward momentum morphed . Will be in pvp testing it out next few days. But i agree with you mist form is not nessesary especially when you can use immov + FM to get away from your. shade

Is a 2H build really viable for a magblade? I would love to try something new with my magblade, but this isn't something I ever considered.

Would this be PvE viable or only PvP? And, I am not concerned in terms of vet trial dps needs, I can do that already, but if I wanted to vet dungeons or something of that ilk.

I'm not doing the 2H thing like you (still sticking to dual wield), but here's what I've found regarding Shacklebreaker.

On my mageblade, wearing 5 Shackle + 5 Necro (front bar only) + 2 Engine Guardian and tri-stat food, I have 49.8k magicka and 19k stamina, with 1.2k mag regen and 1.1k stam regen. I got stam regen to that value by running one stam recovery glyph on a ring (the other jewelry glyphs are spell damage and reduce mag cost). When my weapon damage glyph kicks in, I have 3k spell damage. My Concealed Weapon tooltip is 12k and Assassin's Will is 24k. (Edit: @CavalryPK I have no idea how you only got 37k magicka on your Necro + Shackle test. I think something might have gone wrong with your UESP build editor setup.)

Changing Shackle for Amber and leaving the rest of the build exactly the same, I have 48.7k magicka, 16.4k stamina, 1.5k mag regen and 1.3k stam regen. Spell damage remains the same. Concealed and Assassin's Will tooltips both go down by ~200.

I don't see how the difference between the two justifies calling Amber the superior choice, let alone saying Amber is worth the farm. Yes, I would like my regen values to be higher than they are when running Shackle, but running Amber doesn't increase them a large enough amount to convince me I should keep farming for impen Amber. Yes, the extra 200 stam regen is not insignificant. On the other hand, the extra stamina on the Shackle build is almost the cost of a dodge roll, which gives me a slightly longer time I can afford to wait for my stamina pool to tick back up or Engine friend to give me a boost.

Another difference: With Shackle and spellpower/crit pots, I have 46% crit (running Shadow stone), which goes up to 49% with Amber (it's 48%/51%) when running Incap). This gap doesn't feel too significant now, but it will be in the next patch when Amber's crit bonus is buffed. (At first I thought that my crit wouldn't matter too much, since I cast Shadowy Disguise so often. But more often than not, the Shadowy Disguise crit is consumed by a Crippling Grasp tick, and doesn't get applied to Concealed Weapon. So I still want a high crit value.) This is the one thing that makes me continue to be interested in Amber.

Obviously this is motivated reasoning: I'm really sick of Heem-Jas at this point and would prefer for Shackle to be a non-handicapping set. @NightbladeMechanics I know you have been talking down Shacklebreaker -- what am I missing here?

casparian wrote: »

I'm not doing the 2H thing like you (still sticking to dual wield), but here's what I've found regarding Shacklebreaker.

On my mageblade, wearing 5 Shackle + 5 Necro (front bar only) + 2 Engine Guardian and tri-stat food, I have 49.8k magicka and 19k stamina, with 1.2k mag regen and 1.1k stam regen. I got stam regen to that value by running one stam recovery glyph on a ring (the other jewelry glyphs are spell damage and reduce mag cost). When my weapon damage glyph kicks in, I have 3k spell damage. My Concealed Weapon tooltip is 12k and Assassin's Will is 24k. (Edit: @CavalryPK I have no idea how you only got 37k magicka on your Necro + Shackle test. I think something might have gone wrong with your UESP build editor setup.)

Changing Shackle for Amber and leaving the rest of the build exactly the same, I have 48.7k magicka, 16.4k stamina, 1.5k mag regen and 1.3k stam regen. Spell damage remains the same. Concealed and Assassin's Will tooltips both go down by ~200.

I don't see how the difference between the two justifies calling Amber the superior choice, let alone saying Amber is worth the farm. Yes, I would like my regen values to be higher than they are when running Shackle, but running Amber doesn't increase them a large enough amount to convince me I should keep farming for impen Amber. Yes, the extra 200 stam regen is not insignificant. On the other hand, the extra stamina on the Shackle build is almost the cost of a dodge roll, which gives me a slightly longer time I can afford to wait for my stamina pool to tick back up or Engine friend to give me a boost.

Another difference: With Shackle and spellpower/crit pots, I have 46% crit (running Shadow stone), which goes up to 49% with Amber (it's 48%/51%) when running Incap). This gap doesn't feel too significant now, but it will be in the next patch when Amber's crit bonus is buffed. (At first I thought that my crit wouldn't matter too much, since I cast Shadowy Disguise so often. But more often than not, the Shadowy Disguise crit is consumed by a Crippling Grasp tick, and doesn't get applied to Concealed Weapon. So I still want a high crit value.) This is the one thing that makes me continue to be interested in Amber.

Obviously this is motivated reasoning: I'm really sick of Heem-Jas at this point and would prefer for Shackle to be a non-handicapping set. @NightbladeMechanics I know you have been talking down Shacklebreaker -- what am I missing here?

yeh you are right. max magicka in game is much higher. it shows 39k magicka with a siphoning ability slotted. when I put down the shad max magicka goes up to 44k. is there a way to increase the magicka recovery to 2.5k and still maintain 1k stam recovery and roughly 1.9 spell dmg ? @Blobsky said that he runs 1 or 2 cost reduction glyphs which is ideal if you gona be cloaking so much. Plus the CW is expensive I so definitely need that cost reduction. maybe with such a high stam pool I can afford to get below 1k stam recovery.. I don't know...

ninjaguyman wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

with your bar set up you'd already be at 4 light attacks after a full buff up rotation(merciless>bar swap+ LA>shadow image>LA>mark>LA> cripple> LA+bar swap>momentum) . if the cripple landed then u should be able to charge forward and get one light in to finish off a merciless.
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Regarding this.... The problem I was having is when I spend too much time LAing on the back bar it leaves me exposed to dmg. My strategy I am trying to achieve is being sneaky to not take dmg .. so far I am doing a terrible job at it.

CavalryPK wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

I'm not doing the 2H thing like you (still sticking to dual wield), but here's what I've found regarding Shacklebreaker.

On my mageblade, wearing 5 Shackle + 5 Necro (front bar only) + 2 Engine Guardian and tri-stat food, I have 49.8k magicka and 19k stamina, with 1.2k mag regen and 1.1k stam regen. I got stam regen to that value by running one stam recovery glyph on a ring (the other jewelry glyphs are spell damage and reduce mag cost). When my weapon damage glyph kicks in, I have 3k spell damage. My Concealed Weapon tooltip is 12k and Assassin's Will is 24k. (Edit: @CavalryPK I have no idea how you only got 37k magicka on your Necro + Shackle test. I think something might have gone wrong with your UESP build editor setup.)

Changing Shackle for Amber and leaving the rest of the build exactly the same, I have 48.7k magicka, 16.4k stamina, 1.5k mag regen and 1.3k stam regen. Spell damage remains the same. Concealed and Assassin's Will tooltips both go down by ~200.

I don't see how the difference between the two justifies calling Amber the superior choice, let alone saying Amber is worth the farm. Yes, I would like my regen values to be higher than they are when running Shackle, but running Amber doesn't increase them a large enough amount to convince me I should keep farming for impen Amber. Yes, the extra 200 stam regen is not insignificant. On the other hand, the extra stamina on the Shackle build is almost the cost of a dodge roll, which gives me a slightly longer time I can afford to wait for my stamina pool to tick back up or Engine friend to give me a boost.

Another difference: With Shackle and spellpower/crit pots, I have 46% crit (running Shadow stone), which goes up to 49% with Amber (it's 48%/51%) when running Incap). This gap doesn't feel too significant now, but it will be in the next patch when Amber's crit bonus is buffed. (At first I thought that my crit wouldn't matter too much, since I cast Shadowy Disguise so often. But more often than not, the Shadowy Disguise crit is consumed by a Crippling Grasp tick, and doesn't get applied to Concealed Weapon. So I still want a high crit value.) This is the one thing that makes me continue to be interested in Amber.

Obviously this is motivated reasoning: I'm really sick of Heem-Jas at this point and would prefer for Shackle to be a non-handicapping set. @NightbladeMechanics I know you have been talking down Shacklebreaker -- what am I missing here?

yeh you are right. max magicka in game is much higher. it shows 39k magicka with a siphoning ability slotted. when I put down the shad max magicka goes up to 44k. is there a way to increase the magicka recovery to 2.5k and still maintain 1k stam recovery and roughly 1.9 spell dmg ? @Blobsky said that he runs 1 or 2 cost reduction glyphs which is ideal if you gona be cloaking so much. Plus the CW is expensive I so definitely need that cost reduction. maybe with such a high stam pool I can afford to get below 1k stam recovery.. I don't know...

My current stats are 37k magicka, 15.5k stam, 25k health, 2.45k mag rec, 1.35k stam rec, 2.1k spell damage unbuffed with the Shadow mundus in !magnb2 build

Word from the wise, don't become reliant on harness / dampen if you play 2h. Your cloak is extremely reliable, heal ward + cloak is plenty of survivability if played properly, but it takes a hell of a lot of practise

Blobsky wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

I'm not doing the 2H thing like you (still sticking to dual wield), but here's what I've found regarding Shacklebreaker.

On my mageblade, wearing 5 Shackle + 5 Necro (front bar only) + 2 Engine Guardian and tri-stat food, I have 49.8k magicka and 19k stamina, with 1.2k mag regen and 1.1k stam regen. I got stam regen to that value by running one stam recovery glyph on a ring (the other jewelry glyphs are spell damage and reduce mag cost). When my weapon damage glyph kicks in, I have 3k spell damage. My Concealed Weapon tooltip is 12k and Assassin's Will is 24k. (Edit: @CavalryPK I have no idea how you only got 37k magicka on your Necro + Shackle test. I think something might have gone wrong with your UESP build editor setup.)

Changing Shackle for Amber and leaving the rest of the build exactly the same, I have 48.7k magicka, 16.4k stamina, 1.5k mag regen and 1.3k stam regen. Spell damage remains the same. Concealed and Assassin's Will tooltips both go down by ~200.

I don't see how the difference between the two justifies calling Amber the superior choice, let alone saying Amber is worth the farm. Yes, I would like my regen values to be higher than they are when running Shackle, but running Amber doesn't increase them a large enough amount to convince me I should keep farming for impen Amber. Yes, the extra 200 stam regen is not insignificant. On the other hand, the extra stamina on the Shackle build is almost the cost of a dodge roll, which gives me a slightly longer time I can afford to wait for my stamina pool to tick back up or Engine friend to give me a boost.

Another difference: With Shackle and spellpower/crit pots, I have 46% crit (running Shadow stone), which goes up to 49% with Amber (it's 48%/51%) when running Incap). This gap doesn't feel too significant now, but it will be in the next patch when Amber's crit bonus is buffed. (At first I thought that my crit wouldn't matter too much, since I cast Shadowy Disguise so often. But more often than not, the Shadowy Disguise crit is consumed by a Crippling Grasp tick, and doesn't get applied to Concealed Weapon. So I still want a high crit value.) This is the one thing that makes me continue to be interested in Amber.

Obviously this is motivated reasoning: I'm really sick of Heem-Jas at this point and would prefer for Shackle to be a non-handicapping set. @NightbladeMechanics I know you have been talking down Shacklebreaker -- what am I missing here?

yeh you are right. max magicka in game is much higher. it shows 39k magicka with a siphoning ability slotted. when I put down the shad max magicka goes up to 44k. is there a way to increase the magicka recovery to 2.5k and still maintain 1k stam recovery and roughly 1.9 spell dmg ? @Blobsky said that he runs 1 or 2 cost reduction glyphs which is ideal if you gona be cloaking so much. Plus the CW is expensive I so definitely need that cost reduction. maybe with such a high stam pool I can afford to get below 1k stam recovery.. I don't know...

My current stats are 37k magicka, 15.5k stam, 25k health, 2.45k mag rec, 1.35k stam rec, 2.1k spell damage unbuffed with the Shadow mundus in !magnb2 build

Word from the wise, don't become reliant on harness / dampen if you play 2h. Your cloak is extremely reliable, heal ward + cloak is plenty of survivability if played properly, but it takes a hell of a lot of practise

Yep.. I see ... this is why I need amberplasm @casparian , shackle and necro combo will not give me the desired magicka/stamin regen (2.45k mag rec, 1.35k stam ). On top of that @Blobsky is running couple of reduced cost glyphs ... since I spend so much time in cloak the reduced cost and magicka regen is very important.