We need Empty Keeps, Empty Keeps are best for Elemental Surprise. Or was it Element Of Surprise? Most Keeps should be empty

"We have not enough Warriors to defend all. We are lacking, we are in need. Bring more, bring more Warriors."

Thus cried out a final plea from a warrior whose very keep would now be empty most of the time.

And I will say this style of pvp isn't for everyone because it's not just mindlessly fighting other people like call of duty, there is a strategy to win, if you want more of a call of duty style of play battlegrounds is the closest you will get or just duel people. As many problems as the game has I have enjoyed the fact that it is different from other games in the range of options of playing. If your mad at the people who chose to take empty keeps then waste your time being mad. Ill tank, gank, take empty keeps, fight in a zerg, and any other thing you yourself hate, if that's how I choose to play. If someone wants to spend their time riding keep to keep to fight npcs then that's their choice on how they spend their time, same as people farming on the bridge, or coming to pvp just to do daily quests in the towns. Zenimax will never ban or punish people for playing the game within the parameters of the rules. If it concerns you that they aren't just fighting other people then it shouldn't really bug you, it affects you very very little, and if you care about it because they are taking your keeps then like others have said keep eyes at each keep and defend because they are doing what the scoring set up requires to win the campaign. You can kill 1000 people and never die and still get beat miserably in a campaign because it's based on holding more territory than your opponents.

@Jamini is correct, the OP is referring to Cross Alliance Cooperation in keep swapping.


*Edit*

Hope everyone enjoyed their time in Cyrodiil, you have had fair warning as to the consequences this time.

okay, just to be honest - my initial reaction to the thread was: huh, that's a silly thought, not my fault if no one is defending...

however,, maybe some sort of mechanism to boost the keeps npc resources...

I know the farm controls their strength, but, maybe have a way to boost those npcs if the keep is empty, or, pop is below 3 or 4 players...

or, maybe, this truly is just a silly discussion...

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@theamazingx that is a dumb response tell me this what does PvP mean?

Actually, you're doing a pretty good job of demonstrating what the problem is in a lot of campaigns, or maybe competitive games in general.

Isn't the objective to "win" the campaign? Your alliance is fighting for the best score so that, when the campaign ends, it wins. Taking keeps is a primary driver of that score. The people who are taking keeps are doing it right. They're playing the game to win the game.

People running around just looking to fight for "fightin' sake?" They're not playing the game to win the game. They're playing for their own AP, their own e-peen, or their own schwag. I haven't looked carefully at the scoring, but does your alliance benefit in any way if you're just mowing down people in the open world without taking a single keep or resource?

The same problem exists in some of the multiplayer shooters I've played. The objective: Control checkpoints. Game starts, and 20 people run off and find their favorite sniper spot, then spend the rest of the game trying to get their "Boom, Headshot!" medal. Except, yeah, your team lost that game because you didn't do anything to generate points.

How many players stick around to defend the checkpoint, even for a little bit, after it's taken?

I am not good at these games, but just by me and a friend or two actually trying to win, we were able to do that game after game. We didn't have the best KDR or whatever the snipers wanted, NoSkopzperMinute? Anyway, not the most kills, but we certainly won the game.

I'm not going to tell you how to play, OP, but the people taking keeps certainly aren't exploiting, or cheating, or doing anything wrong. They're actually doing it right.

mmolegends44 wrote: »

Console PS4 has it's toll you have 3 full groups running taking empty back keeps in a rotation for hours without fighting you guys or should I say you developers need to set a cooldown time or something nobody is fighting literally at all! if zos actually put gamemasters inside cyrodil and seen what people are doing it's ridiculous and pathetic.

Isn't the point of the long game to ensure at the end one side has more keeps

Why would you spend the whole night in big brawl making no grounds for marginal AP when you can hit the back wall keeps for more ap and ultimately more points for the long game

Not an exploit it's a tactical maneuver

Tacticians are in short supply in cyrodil glad to see some on the ps4 where I play are making waves