PvP is good enought, It's time to upgrade PvE

lelink88 · July 2017

As a PvPer I think PvP system is quite good, I can almost satisfied at this moment. However my PvEr friend, they come from WoW, and they need more things to do. I think Molag Bal should be saved as a Trial boss not a solo quest. Bethesada and Zenimax should really put more effort in Trial and make it more interesting ( Lore, Bosses, experience, challenges ). And I think they should put hard mode on Trial for hardcore player

ValkynSketha · July 2017

There is hard mode that increases health, damage and have extra mechanics, we just need more trials like vMOL and vHOF, and less like vSO.

CavalryPK · July 2017

I want more RP!

Zordrage · July 2017

lelink88 wrote: »

As a PvPer I think PvP system is quite good, I can almost satisfied at this moment. However my PvEr friend, they come from WoW, and they need more things to do. I think Molag Bal should be saved as a Trial boss not a solo quest. Bethesada and Zenimax should really put more effort in Trial and make it more interesting ( Lore, Bosses, experience, challenges ). And I think they should put hard mode on Trial for hardcore player

hell nO

1 pvp is NOT in a good place at ALL

2 i dont want major story stuff to be locked in Hard to do annoying group content.... i dont want to deal with elitist and their triger finger on the kick bottun when i want to see the story....

Stopnaggin · July 2017

Pvp needs more attention, and I'm a pve guy. While pve has seen most of the content additions is does lack the really hard end game stuff. Other than that the dlc schedule for pve content is right on the money.

Pvp however is very much lacking. IC doesn't have enough to keep most players attention, and Cyrodiil hasn't seen anything major. I would like to see them add in Pvp areas to the major cities, like the sewers in IC. I think It would make a nice addition for the Pvp crowd. Something along the lines of raiding another alliances Capitol cities for a competitive edge, much like the keeps in Cyrodiil but more localized being in the main cities.

RainfeatherUK · July 2017

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2017

There is no reason to segregate them as they are both apart of the game and need equal attention at all times .

Sallington · July 2017

LOL

Kalante · July 2017

pve'r says pvp is in a good place. Lol.

AlMcFly · July 2017

Sallington wrote: »

LOL

+1

subtlezeroub17_ESO · July 2017

The main problem is if ZoS spices up the mechanics then there's a large part of the community who will be upset over it being "too hard" .

Remember, most of the eso community can barely complete a DLC vet dungeon much less a Trial or even a spiced up trial.

idk · July 2017

lelink88 wrote: »

As a PvPer I think PvP system is quite good, I can almost satisfied at this moment. However my PvEr friend, they come from WoW, and they need more things to do. I think Molag Bal should be saved as a Trial boss not a solo quest. Bethesada and Zenimax should really put more effort in Trial and make it more interesting ( Lore, Bosses, experience, challenges ). And I think they should put hard mode on Trial for hardcore player

I kinda question how much raiding your friend does. Clearly not setting up hard mode when in a trial.

It is a very small percentage of the severs that has cleared hard mode on vMoL and less that have cleared HM of vHoF. Slightly more have probably cleared vHoF without HM.

QuebraRegra · July 2017

CavalryPK wrote: »

I want more RP!

could be partially achieved via a proper "faction" system... The TG, DB , DLCs, and the choice to go WW or VAMP should have faction choices pro/con (be a VAMP or DAWNGUARD, etc.).

Brutusmax1mus · July 2017

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

I agree, there are much better solo games than eso. Unless you pvp.

Tandor · July 2017

Putting the conclusion of the main story into a trial that would be played by little more than say 5% of the playerbase has to be the worst suggestion I've seen yet.

As an observer of PvP through this forum rather than a participant in it through the game, I'm inclined to suggest that it's impossible to make a worthwhile judgement on the quality and nature of the PvP content until more players are satisfied with the game's performance in PvP.

Dreyloch · July 2017

lelink88 wrote: »

As a PvPer I think PvP system is quite good, I can almost satisfied at this moment. However my PvEr friend, they come from WoW, and they need more things to do. I think Molag Bal should be saved as a Trial boss not a solo quest. Bethesada and Zenimax should really put more effort in Trial and make it more interesting ( Lore, Bosses, experience, challenges ). And I think they should put hard mode on Trial for hardcore player

As I will agree the PvE raids in this game are lacking in mechanics to conquer. I have to say OP, you clearly have not played enough PvP to make your statement. I won't go into all the crazy stuff that's wrong or broken. There is a whole forum section for that.

stewhead2ub17_ESO · July 2017

@RainfeatherUK :

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

I'm not big on pvp. I am, however, sympathetic to the issues many seem to have with the current state of pvp. I find your post to be both insulting and archaic. Because something (MMO genre per you) "has always been about multiplayer grouping" is incorrect and irrelevant. Dynamics change. While MMO's might mean that for you, it is not accurate or fair to assume that is the only definition of the genre. Others, myself included, don't define a MMO the same way. It doesn't necessarily make someone "Anti-social". I enjoy grouping but I also enjoy having the option to group. It would be ignorant to force grouping on people in main story content.
Furthermore, I would submit there is plenty of opportunity for "multiplayer interaction", though I don't imagine you would be a person I would care to interact with. Good day.

Drachenfier · July 2017

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

I disagree. I play MMORPG's for the other players which gives it the feel of a living world, and that to me is what the "MMO" is all about. No matter how awesome a single player RPG like Witcher is, etc, it just feels like a single player RPG.

That being said, grouping doesn't bother me, but I still find issue with your comment.

The first real sandbox 3d mmo was all about grouping, and I soloed damn near 90% of that game on my necro. Ahhh, the good old days.

tinythinker · July 2017

As others have pointed out, PvP needs a lot of work and PvE trials already have a hard mode.

Would like some group PvE boosts, sure. Part two of many early dungeons. More variety (music, themes, color, etc.) for dungeons. Another four person or maybe even a six person arena. And even a PvE + PvP trial.

Tandor · July 2017

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

The way to achieve more identity and multiplayer interaction is to reduce the number of guilds you can join to one. That way it means more to belong to a guild than just having more gold care of the guild traders than you know what to do with.

BrianDavion · July 2017

lelink88 wrote: »

As a PvPer I think PvP system is quite good, I can almost satisfied at this moment. However my PvEr friend, they come from WoW, and they need more things to do. I think Molag Bal should be saved as a Trial boss not a solo quest. Bethesada and Zenimax should really put more effort in Trial and make it more interesting ( Lore, Bosses, experience, challenges ). And I think they should put hard mode on Trial for hardcore player

NO. WOW's entire raid culture is completely TOXIC I saw a god damned RP GUILD destroyed by it. ESO is a much more laid back game. and thats what draws me to it.

Danksta · July 2017

Lmao! If PvP was in a good place then I would be about 50/50 PvE and PvP, but as it is now I hardly ever PvP.

ookami007 · July 2017

"Fix" PvP, break PVE. "Fix" PvE, break PvP.

The two cannot be reconciled. They are two completely different beasts that will NEVER, EVER, EVER live together.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

The main problem is if ZoS spices up the mechanics then there's a large part of the community who will be upset over it being "too hard" .

Remember, most of the eso community can barely complete a DLC vet dungeon much less a Trial or even a spiced up trial.

That's because that "majority" is composed of the following:
- PvP players with trash pve gear
- Casual flower-picking pansies whose content involves Writs and Crown Store purchases.

Everyone else actually breezes through vet dungeons and can finish trials with a decent group. Having something to do beyond one or two trials each week would be a nice change of pace. Dungeons are not endgame and there isn't much of an incentive to run them beyond keys and Undaunted progression for new players .

Sigtric · July 2017

Sallington wrote: »

LOL

Stopnaggin · July 2017

Tandor wrote: »

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

The way to achieve more identity and multiplayer interaction is to reduce the number of guilds you can join to one. That way it means more to belong to a guild than just having more gold care of the guild traders than you know what to do with.

Lol what? Guilds have nothing to do with how the game presents itself. This seem's more like a jab because you don't like the trader system.

The game is designed to maximize potential players. Some of it, most infact, is very easy and brings in the newer or casual players. While end game isn't over the top challanging it is there, if more trials and dungeons were close on part with VMOL it would satisfy the end game competitive players. The only thing I've seen really lacking is PVP, they are trying but haven't figured it out yet.

Phica_Lovic · July 2017

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

Remember, most of the eso community can barely complete a DLC vet dungeon much less a Trial or even a spiced up trial.

Is this true? I need sources!

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

I agree with you, OP. PvP has more than enough things going for it. They just had Battlegrounds implemented with Morrowind, and also just had (and is still as of now going) an event dedicated just for them. Let's have PvE receive some appreciation and love. Let's have more PvE content and things to do. Let's focus on developing the PvE side of things now, and let PvP enjoy the new toys it has received recently. +1 to you OP.

Rex-Umbra · July 2017

From console pov not many players do trials. Not casually accessible and take too much time. PvP attracts more players than trials and needs greater focus.

Stopnaggin · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

subtlezeroub17_ESO wrote: »

The main problem is if ZoS spices up the mechanics then there's a large part of the community who will be upset over it being "too hard" .

Remember, most of the eso community can barely complete a DLC vet dungeon much less a Trial or even a spiced up trial.

That's because that "majority" is composed of the following:
- PvP players with trash pve gear
- Casual flower-picking pansies whose content involves Writs and Crown Store purchases.

Everyone else actually breezes through vet dungeons and can finish trials with a decent group. Having something to do beyond one or two trials each week would be a nice change of pace. Dungeons are not endgame and there isn't much of an incentive to run them beyond keys and Undaunted progression for new players .

Wow you are too awsome. You guys crack me up. Remember something, without all those other players your a$$ wouldn't have anything to play. Toxic players such as yourself have an over inflated sense of self. It's a game that people play in different ways, just because they have a different view of what is fun doesn't make them pansies or any other name you can think of. If a game is needed to stroke your ego that I feel sad for what your life must be.

idk · July 2017

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

I primarily PvP but I can't disagree. Compared to FFXIV/Stormblood, PvE here is trash tier.

Ignore the solo crybabies. This is an MMO unless they've forgotten. And yeah... save me your 'mmo doesnt mean grouping up' nonsense.

The MMO genre has always been about multiplayer grouping. Otherwise why not just stay in your anti-social single player junk?

In the end the game needs more identity and multiplayer interaction. Solo players have 90% of the game. Enough is enough of their selfish crap.

@RainfeatherUK

Based on your comments it seems you easily cleared vMoL HM and vHoF HM. Otherwise you comparison to FF are far from accurate.