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AP Train
Question, is this 'AP train' situation going on in PvP wrong? Can ZOS ban or punish players for participating in this train all three factions running in circles capturing keeps for lots and lots of AP.
I don't think it's wrong, am I wrong in that judgement?
I don't think it's wrong, am I wrong in that judgement?
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What platform, and what do you mean about running in circles? Just letting them be retaken? Aka a longer version of what happened on most platforms last Double AP event?1 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭bankable ap will make this more prevalent, imho.
bankable vouchers, though, that's a good move.
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Paul. Xbox yeah running not repairing to quickly get another keep one other alliance runs in takes it back so on so fourth.1
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭People got in trouble for that last time. I would imagine that ZOS would bring down the hammer again this timeGold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 502 -
AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's not something in the TOC. It's something ZOS enforced due to exploits. It's probably not the same as the situation in the last event where two large groups were trading Bleakers back and forth to get massive ticks.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 500 -
So technically we're allowed to do because it's not in the TOC & ZOS is just handing down the punishment for there own reasons.0
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They hand it down if they feel it violates the spirit of the game.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NACR2000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50 Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50Rulnakh - EP Sorc - 50Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50More-Tail - EP Warden - 50Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50Bone Soldier - EP Necro - 50Naps-During-Trails - EP Necro - 501 -
that management is horrid. I'm quite new to PvP and now stand to lose a lot simply because "ruins the spirit" worse reasoning in history (not you, ZOS directly)0
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disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Toot, toot.... all aboard the AP train... toot, toot.
Is not normal every day PVP like this - you take a keep, you lose a keep, you take it back again?
In Kyne on PS4 NA at least, most AP is probably got by red and blue doing nothing but go back and forth from Chalman to Bleakers to Aleswell and then back again, occasionally up to switch Bruma and Dragonclaw for something different.
The map is not really big enough to do much more that that sometimes.Edited by disintegr8 on July 26, 2017 4:19AMAustralian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.0 -
O_LYKOS✭✭✭✭✭
✭The aim of the game is to capture keep, crown emp, win the campaign. If the majority of all 3 factions decide not to bother and instead farm for AP in this "train", the game is still being played. What can Zos do to punish people who bought their game and pay a subscription (not everybody I know)to play how they want to play it.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll3 -
disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
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Sure, the aim of the game is to win the campaign but most people are only concerned with having fun and maybe collecting AP while they are logged on - what happened before they get on and what happens after they log off does not concern them.The aim of the game is to capture keep, crown emp, win the campaign. If the majority of all 3 factions decide not to bother and instead farm for AP in this "train", the game is still being played. What can Zos do to punish people who bought their game and pay a subscription (not everybody I know)to play how they want to play it.
There are that many alliance fights in zone chat when some group goes for a scroll or attacks a keep on the other side of the map while their home keeps get taken, to know that a lot of players don't care about the bigger picture.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can you blame them have you tried to take a keep with people defending it... crash, load screen and lag ffs
People want to take part in this event and this is one of the few ways to do it without as much kicks loadscreens and lag
Edited by FloppyTouch on July 26, 2017 4:35AM3 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »Can you blame them have you tried to take a keep with people defending it... crash, load screen and lag ffs
People want to take part in this event and this is one of the few ways to do it without as much kicks loadscreens and lag
Yes you can blame them, over 360+ people got banned last Double AP event for similar behavior, and rightfully so. I am just glad that it didn't happen on PC NA last time and doesn't seem to be happening now either.1 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »Can you blame them have you tried to take a keep with people defending it... crash, load screen and lag ffs
People want to take part in this event and this is one of the few ways to do it without as much kicks loadscreens and lag
Yes you can blame them, over 360+ people got banned last Double AP event for similar behavior, and rightfully so. I am just glad that it didn't happen on PC NA last time and doesn't seem to be happening now either.
No you can't it's ZoS fault. If they had servers that worked right then it's on the players but the game does not run right so why should the players?
This is want happens when a game does not run the way it should how can we take or defend a keep when half ur group gets kicked as soon as a wall or door comes down?
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If it's an exploit why has ZOS not fixed this? Can't keep banning people and not fix this so called issue. It's setting people up to fail.1
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The702Guy✭✭✭✭I mean in the end you are capturing keeps which is the goal of the game. If you are running in a circle trying to get the Emporer keeps and they get taken by the next alliance after you capped it what can you really do? That happens all the time anyway outside of the event and with the heavy server population it's hard to defend without crashing, hell its hard to cap with out crashing. I usually just stand outside the keep and pick off the other alliance defenders rather than going in because I crash 80% of the time I go in the keep when the servers are busy.1
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »Can you blame them have you tried to take a keep with people defending it... crash, load screen and lag ffs
People want to take part in this event and this is one of the few ways to do it without as much kicks loadscreens and lag
Yes you can blame them, over 360+ people got banned last Double AP event for similar behavior, and rightfully so. I am just glad that it didn't happen on PC NA last time and doesn't seem to be happening now either.
No you can't it's ZoS fault. If they had servers that worked right then it's on the players but the game does not run right so why should the players?
This is want happens when a game does not run the way it should how can we take or defend a keep when half ur group gets kicked as soon as a wall or door comes down?
Dude, if other servers can then so can they, its not an excuse to be a *** player that ruins it for everyone else.0 -
MrBetadine✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »Can you blame them have you tried to take a keep with people defending it... crash, load screen and lag ffs
People want to take part in this event and this is one of the few ways to do it without as much kicks loadscreens and lag
Yes you can blame them, over 360+ people got banned last Double AP event for similar behavior, and rightfully so. I am just glad that it didn't happen on PC NA last time and doesn't seem to be happening now either.
No you can't it's ZoS fault. If they had servers that worked right then it's on the players but the game does not run right so why should the players?
This is want happens when a game does not run the way it should how can we take or defend a keep when half ur group gets kicked as soon as a wall or door comes down?
Dude, if other servers can then so can they, its not an excuse to be a *** player that ruins it for everyone else.
Do you mean if it's a large group doing this it is fine?0 -
MrBetadine wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »FloppyTouch wrote: »Can you blame them have you tried to take a keep with people defending it... crash, load screen and lag ffs
People want to take part in this event and this is one of the few ways to do it without as much kicks loadscreens and lag
Yes you can blame them, over 360+ people got banned last Double AP event for similar behavior, and rightfully so. I am just glad that it didn't happen on PC NA last time and doesn't seem to be happening now either.
No you can't it's ZoS fault. If they had servers that worked right then it's on the players but the game does not run right so why should the players?
This is want happens when a game does not run the way it should how can we take or defend a keep when half ur group gets kicked as soon as a wall or door comes down?
Dude, if other servers can then so can they, its not an excuse to be a *** player that ruins it for everyone else.
Do you mean if it's a large group doing this it is fine?
Why not? Part of the game, other wise make it harder to flip a keep, second you take it over it auto heals and closes itself or creates a 5 min shield something like that, this will avoid flipping keeps like skittles if it's so called 'wrong'0 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭ZOS can tell how much AP you are making and if the rate you are getting it is too high then they will come down hard on you. But if you are just making a average amount per hour then they won't.0 -
coplannb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I have to admit that the lag and performance were way better than expected. I got the laurel on my DK and am 2/3 finished on my NB. I think I was thrown to the login-screen maybe 3 times since the start of the event and never had the endless loading screen. Sometimes there was lag / bad fps in a zerg vs zerg scenario where skills did not work or where I could not get inside a keep via mg/postern door.
There was an epic battle on saturday. We defended (EP) and were continously attacked by both DC and AD. Bad part was, that I had to drop out because I had an appointment in RL and thus missed the defense tick (which never came in 2+ hours because the siege battle never fully died off). I probably missed a 100+K AP tick.
Wish they would dish out the AP during a large battle at least once per half an hour...max level: mDK, stamBlade, stamSorc, magPlar, mDen, stamDen, magBlade, stamCro
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# of mules: 4 (FULL)
maxed bank: FULL -_-
Stop the grind! Get rid of stupid events and daily-quest gallore. Get rid of "have a chance of 1 in a million to get a piece of 1 in 30 to get a stupid motif or pet... wtf..."
And at this point just remove all classes and have everyone choose their set of skills. then balance accordingly to skills always used vs. skills never used.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Not sure flipping keeps is the way to go for big AP. Keeps do get flipped quite a bit though when there is no emp and all three factions are either pushing for emp or trying to prevent the others from getting it. Hitting an under defended keep while the enemy is busy elsewhere has always been a thing really.
With so much population in Cyradiil now the quick way to AP is farm the choke points or take a keep deep in enemy territory. This cuts off their access to a major chunk of the map other than by horseback and they will send large numbers at you to try and take it back.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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The last time was AP farming resource nodes in that blue team took an node, then moved back 50 meter, red team took it and moved back, repeat, blue team would get angry if other blue attacked the red team.AzraelKrieg wrote: »People got in trouble for that last time. I would imagine that ZOS would bring down the hammer again this time
This required an agreement between the two sides to farm AP.
The AP train is just an zerg group who focus on offence as it give more AP. It can be countered by an large defending team.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Blues and Reds are working together in full effect during this event. I have video of a pair of Blues ganking me, while a Red just stood there and emoted after I was killing. Only for them all to run off together and begin capping resources and flipping them 1 after the other repeatedly. I've also heard from friends how emp sharing/trading is in full effect, although I wouldn't know. Every since I have fulfilled my Cyrodiil requirements for the event, I haven't been poking around there too much.
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This is on my PS4-NA in Vivec and Xarxes, by the way. I will post video, if needed.Edited by Ch4mpTW on July 26, 2017 9:53AM2 -
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✭Paul. Xbox yeah running not repairing to quickly get another keep one other alliance runs in takes it back so on so fourth.
What you suggest here is against the spirit of the game, this is the reason they banned many last time, also why they have added a time limit to how long you have to wait before getting an AP tick again.
This will be a very hard thing to prove in my opinion as the overall idea is to take enemy keeps, there will be many random people who will be innocently trying to help take keeps, that may also be effected by any bans!0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭So the people pulling 20+ million AP is not a good thing like ppl on Xbox NA are doing?0 -
LadyDestiny✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »So the people pulling 20+ million AP is not a good thing like ppl on Xbox NA are doing?
I don't think this person ever slept.
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