So about this Warden...

RapidUrsa · July 2017

I'm coming back so thought id start one of these! Whats it best to play as; Tank, Healer or DPS?

Aisle9 · July 2017

Whatever you do, don't make a pigeon spammer please, for the sake of puppies, kittens and everything you hold dear.

Kidding, warden healers are pretty good, or so I've been told. The healing ultimate is really cheap.

AzraelKrieg · July 2017

It makes a good secondary healer to a templar. I play mine as a tank and due to the setup I don't require healing too much since the the healing ultimate is really cheap.

Epona222 · July 2017

I have been struggling to get into playing a Warden myself, but I do dungeons with someone who runs a Warden healer and it's pretty good - whatever that skill/ult is that does the glowy circle with the trees is pretty effective (sorry for the not particularly technical description, I don't know the names of the skills).

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

They're a good healer, a decent tank, an okay stamina DPS, and a terrible magicka DPS.

MaKTaiL · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They're a good healer, a decent tank, an okay stamina DPS, and a terrible magicka DPS.

I'm playing Magicka DPS just fine.

MyKillv2.0 · July 2017

Tylos001 wrote: »

I'm coming back so thought id start one of these! Whats it best to play as; Tank, Healer or DPS?

Actually they make pretty good everything but not BiS at anything. Templars are better healers. Dragonknights are better tanks. Sorcs do better Mag DPS. Nightblades are still in PVP. If you are a BiS snob, they aren't for you because at this point, they will not overtake any of the other BiS spots. However if you are looking for a class that you can play and do pretty much any role in the game effective.... Wardens are probably the best class to do everything with.

Sixsixsix161 · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They're a good healer, a decent tank, an okay stamina DPS, and a terrible magicka DPS.

I play a magwarden, and it's not so bad. She's level 32 and has 6 pieces of Necro armor, which gives her a total of 37K magicka, including the 5-piece bonus when you have a pet active.

Since staff/ability damage increases with your magicka pool, she's doing ok. Only thing is I have to be very careful with the bear tanking since ZOS changed the clannfear and bear abilities when Morrowind was released. With a group of multiple enemies, the pets run around as you change your heavy attacks from one enemy to the other.

However, I know that mine is not setup with the best spells/abilities, so I'm going to have to do some research to push her DPS higher.

I do depend on spamming the Pigeon (see comment 2 by Aisle, above) a lot because that seems to be one ability that doesn't pull my pet of his assigned target.

Sharee · July 2017

The nice thing about a warden is how flexible it is. My magicka warden can DPS, pitch in if the healer needs help(living trellis is fantastic), and even tank the boss in an emergency while the real tank is being rezzed (frost staff).

It may not be the top performer in super-specialized endgame leaderboard raiding, but for anything else, it's great.

seedubsrun · July 2017

I really like my DPS magwarden. The damage output is certainly lacking compared to other magic DPS but I don't play it to be the best. I have a mag sorc for that. I wanted to create a magic frost character that was fun to do solo content with and I found that in my warden. I expect at some point they'll be buffed a bit too so maybe they'll be more viable in the future

MarbleQuiche · July 2017

It's a utility class.

It heals well because it negates group damage with major resistance buffs (from one skill cast).

It tanks well because even specced this way it can dribble itself health and its fav resource, and can keep itself alive pretty much indefinitely.

OK, DPS. Stamina it's OK and can even do a little off healing. Magicka is a touchy one. Meta builders run their simulations in tight, isolated scenarios and magWard doesn't do so well in these. However, anyone who runs a magWard healer that throws down subterranean assault (a frigging AoE major resistances debuff) will be able to tell you the effect that has on group DPS. Add a staff to that and use a complementary race (anything that doesn't try to synergise on their ice stave passives, that's a red herring) and you have yourself a DPS utility class. Single target DPS, I'll give the metaheads that.

Perhaps best of all, you can play all those roles at once if you go magicka with a little stamina. PvP community figured that out within like a second, PvE community just cried to the extent that magWards are actually getting a buff next major patch o.O

Insandros · July 2017

I love my 2 Wardens, one pure healer and magika DPS. Since last patch changes in CPs etc.. my Sorc dps went low and now my magika warden is my main DPS, doing what i was on my sorc pre-morrowind, my dps warden is the toon i made it easier to beat vMA with, so i'm not complaining. if i can pull 30-31k solo target without anyones else buff, elemental drain, ultimates and SP potions, i'm pretty happy with it for a base dps.

As for healer, you need to change your thinking, more prevent and anticipate things in advance than actualy fixing things after like the templar, since not much HoTs, and skil are mostly delayed and « conal », so, gets you better with situation awareness. Ressources is easy to keep up as well... so far they are my two favortie toons, i haven't really played my templar healer since then, at the point i made it PvP for the few tiems i go, same with my sorc dps, i made it PvP for the few times i go.

I haven't played as tank, since it's not really my thing, my DK Tank is collecting dust.

But my Buddy i mainly play with, made one, some stuff he misses from the DK but, jsut needs ajustemnt and different approach, like the DK'S chain vs the Warden's teleport etc.. but since he made his Warden Tank, he didn'T really hop on his DK tank.

In other words, any role you play as warden is more challenging, think more, you wanna dela decent dps, well it's a bit more complicating than spamming 1-2 skills as Sorcs, more planning, more situation awareness to drop stuff as healer etc... So if you'Re a lasy perso, yep the warden is not for you.

josiahva · July 2017

They are 2nd best healer.
They are 2nd best tank(simply because of portal, even if its harder to use than the DK's chains)
They are the worst magicka DPS.
They are ok for stam DPS.

They are the only viable stam healer if thats your thing.

josiahva · July 2017

MarbleQuiche wrote: »

It's a utility class.

It heals well because it negates group damage with major resistance buffs (from one skill cast).

It tanks well because even specced this way it can dribble itself health and its fav resource, and can keep itself alive pretty much indefinitely.

OK, DPS. Stamina it's OK and can even do a little off healing. Magicka is a touchy one. Meta builders run their simulations in tight, isolated scenarios and magWard doesn't do so well in these. However, anyone who runs a magWard healer that throws down subterranean assault (a frigging AoE major resistances debuff) will be able to tell you the effect that has on group DPS. Add a staff to that and use a complementary race (anything that doesn't try to synergise on their ice stave passives, that's a red herring) and you have yourself a DPS utility class. Single target DPS, I'll give the metaheads that.

Perhaps best of all, you can play all those roles at once if you go magicka with a little stamina. PvP community figured that out within like a second, PvE community just cried to the extent that magWards are actually getting a buff next major patch o.O

Subterranean Assault does nothing that a tank's pierce armor doesn't. When I tank I use pierce armor to taunt almost everything, making this a redundant skill. Its true that there are many tanks out there that don't taunt everything though so it can be useful. The biggest issue with sub-assault for me the is that its the STAMINA morph...which makes it great for stamdens, but terrible for magdens...in other words, a stamden tank would use it, but if a magden healer uses it, they gimp themselves for the potential damage the magicka morph would provide. Not a big deal if all you do on a magden is heal...but its a HUGE deal if you want to swap gear and DPS. I think BOTH morphs should have the major breach and major fracture, since the magicka morph only stuns one enemy anyway, which is virtually worthless outside of 1v1 PvP.

MarbleQuiche · July 2017

josiahva wrote: »

MarbleQuiche wrote: »

It's a utility class.

It heals well because it negates group damage with major resistance buffs (from one skill cast).

It tanks well because even specced this way it can dribble itself health and its fav resource, and can keep itself alive pretty much indefinitely.

OK, DPS. Stamina it's OK and can even do a little off healing. Magicka is a touchy one. Meta builders run their simulations in tight, isolated scenarios and magWard doesn't do so well in these. However, anyone who runs a magWard healer that throws down subterranean assault (a frigging AoE major resistances debuff) will be able to tell you the effect that has on group DPS. Add a staff to that and use a complementary race (anything that doesn't try to synergise on their ice stave passives, that's a red herring) and you have yourself a DPS utility class. Single target DPS, I'll give the metaheads that.

Perhaps best of all, you can play all those roles at once if you go magicka with a little stamina. PvP community figured that out within like a second, PvE community just cried to the extent that magWards are actually getting a buff next major patch o.O

Subterranean Assault does nothing that a tank's pierce armor doesn't. When I tank I use pierce armor to taunt almost everything, making this a redundant skill. Its true that there are many tanks out there that don't taunt everything though so it can be useful. The biggest issue with sub-assault for me the is that its the STAMINA morph...which makes it great for stamdens, but terrible for magdens...in other words, a stamden tank would use it, but if a magden healer uses it, they gimp themselves for the potential damage the magicka morph would provide. Not a big deal if all you do on a magden is heal...but its a HUGE deal if you want to swap gear and DPS. I think BOTH morphs should have the major breach and major fracture, since the magicka morph only stuns one enemy anyway, which is virtually worthless outside of 1v1 PvP.

It's ok to throw a utility skill from your off pool into a rotation. Whenever you do have a utility skill and you're DPS, it can even be preferred so you don't touch the pool that's the source of your damage. It's not being cast as DPS in and of itself, but for future DPS gains. BTW, pierce armor is single target. By the time you've applied that to every mob, they're already dead. Sub assault is an AoE opener that'll half the time needed to clear trash sections of dungeons.

Anhedonie · July 2017

Go stam or mag build in pvp and nuke the crap out of people.
For pve roll something else. Like dk tank or templar healer. Maybe dd magsorc?

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

MaKTaiL wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

They're a good healer, a decent tank, an okay stamina DPS, and a terrible magicka DPS.

I'm playing Magicka DPS just fine.

Now do a DPS test. They don't even come close to the other magicka classes.

Mcgelie1 · July 2017

Stamden in PvP is pretty fun. I have a Bosmer, 2h/s+b. Tanky, and can burst people down.