Overreacting about event

Doctordarkspawn · July 2017

Saying 'it's a great event guys calm down' when the servers are barely stable and half the content is locked behind DLC, being the first time it's been so, does not make it so.

Out, shill.

Drpsychoball · July 2017

rootimus wrote: »

It's interesting (at least from an academic perspective) how so many people are so willing to accept sub-standard work as a job well done. The only standard people should accept from any for-profit organisation is a fully working, professional product.

The fact that terrible game x is worse doesn't make less-terrible game y acceptable.

You dont have to play this game u know?

Doctordarkspawn · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

rootimus wrote: »

It's interesting (at least from an academic perspective) how so many people are so willing to accept sub-standard work as a job well done. The only standard people should accept from any for-profit organisation is a fully working, professional product.

The fact that terrible game x is worse doesn't make less-terrible game y acceptable.

You dont have to play this game u know?

Not an excuse. Quit trying to play apologist.

Also, if you -are- going to play apologist, at least have the decency to type out simple words like 'you' and such, please?

Drpsychoball · July 2017

Malic wrote: »

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple, ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players tge best experience possible. We are getting 100% AP bonus, come on guys. But i do in fact agree that due to lag that some people may experience, and the long Q times, ZOS should extend tge length of the event.

So the last month on the forums with multiple reports of server issues just poo poo?

You neglected to mention that in your post, did you not see them perhaps? Its one thing to do an event, yep its cool. Its another to do the event KNOWING that there will be issues that affect players negatively and pushing through anyway.

It suggests they either dont care, cant fix the problems, or want the player to have a negative experience. Im going to be generous and eliminate the later.

Well if you think that its so easy to maintaing a HUGE game with a *** ton of players, then you should join the ZOS team and show them how its done, but you arent going to do that cause you know jack *** and you shouldnt talk about something you dont know. As far as I see ZOS is trying their hardest for us and always staying active and helping players out

rootimus · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

rootimus wrote: »

It's interesting (at least from an academic perspective) how so many people are so willing to accept sub-standard work as a job well done. The only standard people should accept from any for-profit organisation is a fully working, professional product.

The fact that terrible game x is worse doesn't make less-terrible game y acceptable.

You dont have to play this game u know?

I'm not sure how that was in any way a reply to my post.

Morgul667 · July 2017

Managed to log in play for 10 minutes in lag -> infinite loading screen -> kicked out of cyrodill -> queue position 452...

Yeah we're overreacting for sure :-)

Lauranae · July 2017

Sur its a great event!! at least it could have be.

I just encountered a new bug : same campaign as home and guest .... paid 100 000 ap to try to correct it ... now ask me 2 more days to be able to get back to my original home ....

Sur i will certainly enjoy 2 full days in a campaign as a guest only ....... as i can not have a home right now

sadownik · July 2017

@Drpsychoball Its not like there are dozens of other MMOs that do just that, oh but ESO is so special, so not like the other MMOs that it probably doesn't count does it?

Drpsychoball · July 2017

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Drpsychoball wrote: »

rootimus wrote: »

It's interesting (at least from an academic perspective) how so many people are so willing to accept sub-standard work as a job well done. The only standard people should accept from any for-profit organisation is a fully working, professional product.

The fact that terrible game x is worse doesn't make less-terrible game y acceptable.

You dont have to play this game u know?

Not an excuse. Quit trying to play apologist.

Also, if you -are- going to play apologist, at least have the decency to type out simple words like 'you' and such, please?

Explain pls how am i "playing apologist" also im not gonna type out Y-O-U cause some idiot on forums told me so.

GreenhaloX · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple, ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players tge best experience possible. We are getting 100% AP bonus, come on guys. But i do in fact agree that due to lag that some people may experience, and the long Q times, ZOS should extend tge length of the event.

Oh, this must be one of ZOS's white knights that some folks have been mentioning. Good for you for showing such optimism. Yes, the word "great" can be just trivial and interpreted in so many ways by so many people. I do agree that Zen/ZOS/dev, whoever the power that may be, has an extremely ambitious and expansive online game, and for the most part, I believe they worked hard and put the game together well. I could never accomplish such feat as developing a grand online game as ESO, and the game is fairly enjoyable (depends on what you do) for the most part. However, the constant lagging, crashing and other glitches and technical debacles that come with such an expansive venue have also contributed quite fairly to the not-so-great experiences. It's a reoccurring cycle with every new contents introduced to ESO.

So, giving kudos where warranted and credit when due.. and with all that said, I am adding my two cents into this current event. This past couple days' gameplay experience with more lagging (continuously) and crashing (which came with the new installment of the Mayhem) have been shameful/pathetic; can't expect much different, but still jacked up. It should be criminal.

Narvuntien · July 2017

I play PVP in nightshift so I have actually not noticed much of a difference. Other than my alliance being more active and effective than they have been in the past. Getting multiple large groups together that is otherwise impossible during nightshift. At least on Friday, today there was serious bridgefight syndrome.

I keep in mind 300 ping and complete lag outs and long load screens are normal PVP for me.

I enjoy the marco game, the actual fights are a mess but they have always been a mess. You just have to get used to dying and taking any wins you get. And hope for someone to rezz you.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple, ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players tge best experience possible. We are getting 100% AP bonus, come on guys. But i do in fact agree that due to lag that some people may experience, and the long Q times, ZOS should extend tge length of the event.

I am not a regular PvP player, but maybe you should try to understand their perspective. The part of the game they spend all their time in has become a bigger mess so that other people can farm boxes and AP.

Drummerx04 · July 2017

jircris11 wrote: »

They complained about never getting a PvP event. Now they complain about the event, proof -most- PvP only players will complain about anything. I said most due to those in my guild loving the event.

It's really not that basic. The event was announced and we knew that all the problems plaguing pvp would basically be exaggerated during this event.

Namely... trying to port to or revive at a keep will put you in a loading screen for 3-5 minutes, passing flowers in cyrodiil will cause you to crash, approaching a large battle will cause you to time out, afk to get water for 30 seconds and the entire pvp server crashes, any large battle anywhere on the map will cause you to experience server performance issues, and during large battles and thus extreme lag, destro ult is even more dangerous because it gets 3-5 ticks of damage off before you are able to cast one skill to defend yourself.

We would have 0 problems with this event IF the game could actually handle it. Our dream is to have the pvp servers able to handle large scale battles without slowing to crawl and dropping people left and right. We want to use the transit system without also playing "loading roulette" and we want to actually have FUN in Cyrodiil during prime time.

ArchMikem · July 2017

I don't know about it being a "Great" Event. It's practically just another way of earning Alliance Points, which is the one and only reason why a majority of people are participating. Gotta get that farm going.

Drummerx04 · July 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple, ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players tge best experience possible. We are getting 100% AP bonus, come on guys. But i do in fact agree that due to lag that some people may experience, and the long Q times, ZOS should extend tge length of the event.

I am not a regular PvP player, but maybe you should try to understand their perspective. The part of the game they spend all their time in has become a bigger mess so that other people can farm boxes and AP.

This guy gets it. I saw my pvp guild leader basically say that we are abandoning Vivec (our home campaign) because we can't actually get anything done with all the crashes. Other PvE events did have bugged achievements, but it's not like you had to wait in a queue to attempt the event content only to find it unplayable during prime time.

Honestly, I think most regular pvpers actually welcome the influx of new blood to the campaigns... things do get a little stale when you recognize pretty much everyone from all 3 campaigns. The sad part is that most of them probably won't come back after the event because the queues and lag and disconnects and loading screens will turn them away from it.

Malic · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple, ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players tge best experience possible. We are getting 100% AP bonus, come on guys. But i do in fact agree that due to lag that some people may experience, and the long Q times, ZOS should extend tge length of the event.

So the last month on the forums with multiple reports of server issues just poo poo?

You neglected to mention that in your post, did you not see them perhaps? Its one thing to do an event, yep its cool. Its another to do the event KNOWING that there will be issues that affect players negatively and pushing through anyway.

It suggests they either dont care, cant fix the problems, or want the player to have a negative experience. Im going to be generous and eliminate the later.

Well if you think that its so easy to maintaing a HUGE game with a *** ton of players, then you should join the ZOS team and show them how its done, but you arent going to do that cause you know jack *** and you shouldnt talk about something you dont know. As far as I see ZOS is trying their hardest for us and always staying active and helping players out

I didnt say it was easy, but you know personal attacks are against the forums rules. at least thats what the forum mods tell me, although I suspect you'll go along happily like most of the fan boys. I mean, we all know there is favoritism.

If you think they are trying their hardest, thats your opinion. My opinion is very simple, the servers were performing like crap PRIOR to the event. So you dont go forward with the event until that is addressed, UNLESS you cant fix it of dont care too.

But the part about not talking about something you dont know. So youre saying "as far as I can see zos is trying their hardest for us"

Oh so YOU KNOW THAT?

Post your source, im betting you cant, thus making you yet another fan boy hypocrite.

"dont post stuf you dont know about but ya, here is something I DONT KNOW ABOUT that im going to post"

Did you even bother to read what you wrote? Do you work for zos? You'd fit right in.

malchior · July 2017

Not an overreaction at all. ZOS knows Cyro is stuffed yet still puts on an event to further stuff it up is basically rubbing salt on the dedicated pvpers' wounds.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

OP is stunning and brave.

Nah. He has been around less then a month. He just hasn't given up yet. Give him time.

Drpsychoball · July 2017

Malic wrote: »

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple, ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players tge best experience possible. We are getting 100% AP bonus, come on guys. But i do in fact agree that due to lag that some people may experience, and the long Q times, ZOS should extend tge length of the event.

So the last month on the forums with multiple reports of server issues just poo poo?

You neglected to mention that in your post, did you not see them perhaps? Its one thing to do an event, yep its cool. Its another to do the event KNOWING that there will be issues that affect players negatively and pushing through anyway.

It suggests they either dont care, cant fix the problems, or want the player to have a negative experience. Im going to be generous and eliminate the later.

Well if you think that its so easy to maintaing a HUGE game with a *** ton of players, then you should join the ZOS team and show them how its done, but you arent going to do that cause you know jack *** and you shouldnt talk about something you dont know. As far as I see ZOS is trying their hardest for us and always staying active and helping players out

I didnt say it was easy, but you know personal attacks are against the forums rules. at least thats what the forum mods tell me, although I suspect you'll go along happily like most of the fan boys. I mean, we all know there is favoritism.

If you think they are trying their hardest, thats your opinion. My opinion is very simple, the servers were performing like crap PRIOR to the event. So you dont go forward with the event until that is addressed, UNLESS you cant fix it of dont care too.

But the part about not talking about something you dont know. So youre saying "as far as I can see zos is trying their hardest for us"

Oh so YOU KNOW THAT?

Post your source, im betting you cant, thus making you yet another fan boy hypocrite.

"dont post stuf you dont know about but ya, here is something I DONT KNOW ABOUT that im going to post"

Did you even bother to read what you wrote? Do you work for zos? You'd fit right in.

Ok just look at how active ZOS is, whenever I file a support ticket, it comes back within 30-45 minutes (IDK if its the same for everybody), I see ZOS constantly checking the forum, looking and analyzing, they are always active, commenting on threads to make ESO a better game. They take ideas and problem solving options into consideration, they work on releasing new content for players to enjoy and a lot of people are enjoying it. When the game servers were down twice this past week, guess what ZOS did all they could and got the servers back up in less than 45 minutes.

Everybody is complaining about how ZOS needs to fix their game before starting events like this one, but we at least need to be thankfull about the fact they they did it. Of course there will be a lot of people in Q, lets discuss how ZOS can solve it, please.

Also for those people who do say that they need to fix the game before starting events like, i want to mention that you dont have to participate in the event, you can go run pledges, have fun with your friends, level up ur alt characters, there are so many things to do in this game!

xb1LL_mr_sir_LL · July 2017

wish i could see the world like these optimistic fanboys do.

Bromburak · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

Guys seriously, ZOS made a great event that people can participate in. I understand that some people experience lag and loading screens and long Q times, but guys come on, its not this simple.

Nobody said it's simple, that's why ZOS said that performance is a high priority issue that needs to be adressed this year.
But since the problems are well known how can you still overload campaigns and produce even more issues with an event like that?

The mass PvP vision is great but if your current setting cannot deal with the load of players more than 2 years now, it's overdue to reduce the damn population per faction in every campaign to provide a more stable environment for better gaming experience.

The problem that is being ignored here, that ZOS keeps the campaign population very high by knowing that it causes massive performance issues. And what do you mean with overacting if ZOS is not providing any workarounds or solutions after more than 2 years? It's just not professional and if you really love this game there is no reason to defend the poor quality. It has nothing todo with the fact that we all know that @ZOS_BrianWheeler and colleagues work hard, it has something todo with wrong decisions on campaign management ...

Betsararie · July 2017

The event itself is an enjoyable concept, I have pretty much solely been doing pvp and enjoying the extra ap and increased population size.

That said, it was horribly executed as was predictable, and all the complaining is more than warranted. Fix this ridiculous game.

iDispaiir · July 2017

Kyne has been wonderful. No queue times and not much lag

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

I agree BUT I dont believe they give it their "all".
Not for a sec will i beleive that. Why? Because any multimillion dollar company who just had a great year ( making money ) but they dont bother switching net code or servers or doing anythint major to fix anything.

i think they can afford better stability but they chose not to simply because it would require spending money.

RIGHTEOUS_REPORT · July 2017

Milk the minions.

Bromburak · July 2017

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

Because any multimillion dollar company who just had a great year ( making money ) but they dont bother switching net code or servers or doing anythint major to fix anything.

i think they can afford better stability but they chose not to simply because it would require spending money.

Money is one thing and the second thing are great policies for gaming companies and *** policies for gamers.

Any other business has tough rules for server availability and performance, now we all could say well it's a game that doesn't require availability and good performance like business critical applications but from quality perspective it's not acceptable because gamers also pay monthly fees like any other customer in this world.

If you can't pay your bills re think price modells before you release MMOs but don't mess around with your customers, very simple.

Diminish · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

...they are still experimenting...

Will you message me on here when the beta is over? It would save me $15/mo, and the need for the constant hope that they will finally get this *** worked out. I don't like being a lab rat.

Marabornwingrion · July 2017

Drpsychoball wrote: »

ZOS have done a lot for us, they are still experimenting and i am sure doing their best to give us, players the best experience possible.

The problem is, they are experimenting since 4 years...

abigfishy · July 2017

Thanks for the event ZoS and now that there are the two extra campaigns things are much better.

Diminish · July 2017

rootimus wrote: »

It's interesting (at least from an academic perspective) how so many people are so willing to accept sub-standard work as a job well done. The only standard people should accept from any for-profit organisation is a fully working, professional product.

The fact that terrible game x is worse doesn't make less-terrible game y acceptable.

Oh, c'mon now, don't be so harsh. It is perfectly acceptable to release broken software at full price, charge for subscription fees and DLC access, release "expansions" for the broken game, and introduce gambling without prize odds, because, you know, it will be fixed with patches at some point in its life span. Possibly even before most of us roll over in our graves.