Why does Midyear Mayhem require 50 killing blows, rather than 5000 kill contributions?

Luigi_Vampa · July 2017

Enemoriana wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
For PvPers.
And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

Get siege, shoot zergs. You literally don't need to change a single thing in your build for this achievement.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Typhoios wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
For PvPers.
And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

Get siege, shoot zergs. You literally don't need to change a single thing in your build for this achievement.

I'm so of literally typing buy siege to everyone crying i've seen.

Its not that hard to do. Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

Wing · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

as a solo support / tank in pvp on a DK this achievement is figuratively impossible for me.

I'm not a go for broke dps character, a procblade, beamplar, or KSing Sorc.

had it been 500 kill contribution I would have been fine, so would all those healers and other players out there, it would have taken some time but you can make it.

but trying to run people down for kills? fighting all the aforementioned builds on a class with no burst, no execute, and a build designed around helping others?

nope

I have therefore enlisted the aid of some nice guildies to make new level 10's and let me farm them till I get 50 kills

I didn't want to do this, I just wanted to play, but the method I would be forced to play in order to grab the achievement is in far to specific of a playstyle to be conducive with myself, my class, my build, and my playstyle.

epic fail ZOS, you could have done that one better, its just an event, it does not have to be so restrictive, that was dumb.

As 'support/ tank' build.

E.g. a guy with 40k~ hp who has 0 damage and just holds block and expects people to hit them.

I'm sure you can get some siege and drop block for 2 seconds to spam it into a zerg. You don't to cheese the achievement.

first don't be dumb.

second just under 30k and do my best to fly around the battle as fast as I can snaring, debuffing, and drawing agro for the eventual follow up, and third I have almost no cost reduction (30 in the cp) so holding block would cause me to die rapidly, as being slow and out of stamina is not conducive with survival in cyro.

third nobody dies from siege anymore, and the few times they buffed siege and it looked like that would be the case the PvP crowd pitched a fit over it.

have fun getting the chevo on your sorc though, I'm sure it will be very hard for you to just tag enemies with fury and let others do the work for you *thumbs up*

Luigi_Vampa · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
For PvPers.
And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

Get siege, shoot zergs. You literally don't need to change a single thing in your build for this achievement.

I'm so of literally typing buy siege to everyone crying i've seen.

Its not that hard to do. Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

PvP scares a lot of PvE players. They think it is way harder, more toxic etc... Than it really is.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Wing wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

as a solo support / tank in pvp on a DK this achievement is figuratively impossible for me.

I'm not a go for broke dps character, a procblade, beamplar, or KSing Sorc.

had it been 500 kill contribution I would have been fine, so would all those healers and other players out there, it would have taken some time but you can make it.

but trying to run people down for kills? fighting all the aforementioned builds on a class with no burst, no execute, and a build designed around helping others?

nope

I have therefore enlisted the aid of some nice guildies to make new level 10's and let me farm them till I get 50 kills

I didn't want to do this, I just wanted to play, but the method I would be forced to play in order to grab the achievement is in far to specific of a playstyle to be conducive with myself, my class, my build, and my playstyle.

epic fail ZOS, you could have done that one better, its just an event, it does not have to be so restrictive, that was dumb.

As 'support/ tank' build.

E.g. a guy with 40k~ hp who has 0 damage and just holds block and expects people to hit them.

I'm sure you can get some siege and drop block for 2 seconds to spam it into a zerg. You don't to cheese the achievement.

first don't be dumb.

second just under 30k and do my best to fly around the battle as fast as I can snaring, debuffing, and drawing agro for the eventual follow up, and third I have almost no cost reduction (30 in the cp) so holding block would cause me to die rapidly, as being slow and out of stamina is not conducive with survival in cyro.

third nobody dies from siege anymore, and the few times they buffed siege and it looked like that would be the case the PvP crowd pitched a fit over it.

have fun getting the chevo on your sorc though, I'm sure it will be very hard for you to just tag enemies with fury and let others do the work for you *thumbs up*

I'll be getting the achievement on mostly all my characters because they're all designed to actually kill people, you know like your mean't to do in player vs players.

If your only 30k hp how can you not have any damage at all on your build? What happens if people just ignore you if you don't have any damage? If your not a tank blocker what purpose are you if you have no damage?

Firepot trebs hits like 12-14k on impact and then 8k~ ticks.

Cold fire trebs hits harder

Cold fire stone trebs literallly bring people to like 20-30% hp. I'm sure firing one of them into a zerg taking dmg will net you a few killing blows, it's not hard.

Enemoriana · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

Because all other events from that achievement category were easy for everybody, but this one - no; and it's there, not in PvP section.
And because it's quite a bad way to interest people in PvP.

If there would be, for example, five times more, but enough to make some damage, not killing by yourself, that would sound easy enough even for those, who never tried PvP. What many non-PvPers think about this as it is? "Aaaa, I can only run with a huge crowd, and I'll receive too little kills, not enough!"

Luigi_Vampa · July 2017

Enemoriana wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

Because all other events from that achievement category were easy for everybody, but this one - no; and it's there, not in PvP section.
And because it's quite a bad way to interest people in PvP.

If there would be, for example, five times more, but enough to make some damage, not killing by yourself, that would sound easy enough even for those, who never tried PvP. What many non-PvPers think about this as it is? "Aaaa, I can only run with a huge crowd, and I'll receive too little kills, not enough!"

I think if you take our advice and siege zergs, you will see that it really will be easy. ZOS isn't asking you to go 1vX some zerglings or to 1v1 some veteren PvPers. There will be a lot of very inexperienced PvEers in Cyrodiil that will die very easily for you.

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Enemoriana wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

Because all other events from that achievement category were easy for everybody, but this one - no; and it's there, not in PvP section.
And because it's quite a bad way to interest people in PvP.

If there would be, for example, five times more, but enough to make some damage, not killing by yourself, that would sound easy enough even for those, who never tried PvP. What many non-PvPers think about this as it is? "Aaaa, I can only run with a huge crowd, and I'll receive too little kills, not enough!"

But this one is easy enough as it is? Literally could take like 10 mins in a big fights just using oils or fire trebs.

If its just damage i could get them literally without trying, just throw any random aoe on a zerg and i'd get it.

Lemonsinspace · July 2017

I would like to apologise to everyone I jesus beam/ soul assault on Xbox EU, My heart goes out to you in your time of strife.

Zendran · July 2017

Enemoriana wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
For PvPers.
And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

You also have to consider that there will be non-PvPers for you to fight as well. Even if you don't PvP, I have a feeling that in this event you'll just be able to get your killing blows off of siege alone pretty easily, as there will be a lot of people who won't properly heal through or cleanse it. Especially in non-CP campaigns where siege is much more effective.

Wing · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

Because all other events from that achievement category were easy for everybody, but this one - no; and it's there, not in PvP section.
And because it's quite a bad way to interest people in PvP.

If there would be, for example, five times more, but enough to make some damage, not killing by yourself, that would sound easy enough even for those, who never tried PvP. What many non-PvPers think about this as it is? "Aaaa, I can only run with a huge crowd, and I'll receive too little kills, not enough!"

But this one is easy enough as it is? Literally could take like 10 mins in a big fights just using oils or fire trebs.

If its just damage i could get them literally without trying, just throw any random aoe on a zerg and i'd get it.

if you cannot understand how an achievement that promotes a narrow and toxic (dps ONLY, kill stealing) approach to pvp is worse for the overall health and introduction to pvp by new players, over one that instead promotes contribution through any means available from your character (healing, anything other then kill stealing) then nothing anyone says will sway you.

a lot of new players are going to try pvp

that's a lot of meat into an incredibly sweaty, try hard, and experienced grinder.

expecting them to get killing blows when they probably don't even know the name of keeps was dumb.

expecting them to find the frontlines and participate in the battle in some fashion is much more likely, and they may still fail hard at that.

most new players don't even know or buy siege, let alone know what its effects are, or that coldharbor siege is a thing (as seen by the pugs when they try to siege a place and only two people drop fire ballista's -_-) and your claims of siege being this end all be all player killer that slaughters them in simply false, siege does not kill anyone, the best you can do with it is anti siege during a keep battle, only pugs standing in oils would have a chance of death, and even that's a stretch considering the amount of heals.

your expectations of the players this event is far from accurate, and I would hope that you know by now that most people are not as good as you (or perhaps you highly over estimate everyone or terribly underestimate yourself, who knows)

CALLING IT: this forum will have threads complaining about it, and prolly this event overall, once it starts up. dumb ideas.

Enemoriana · July 2017

leepalmer95 wrote: »

If its just damage i could get them literally without trying, just throw any random aoe on a zerg and i'd get it.

That's the thing, all other event achievements, excluding collectioning recipes, were that easy!
And here - PvP is quite hard itself, and achievements looks even worse.

And yes, there will be a lot of very inexperienced PvEers, but that doesn't sound good enough when you are one of them. What is inexperienced PvEer in PvP zone? Target dummy.
Yeah, we must have special achievement and title! XD

leepalmer95 · July 2017

Wing wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

Because all other events from that achievement category were easy for everybody, but this one - no; and it's there, not in PvP section.
And because it's quite a bad way to interest people in PvP.

If there would be, for example, five times more, but enough to make some damage, not killing by yourself, that would sound easy enough even for those, who never tried PvP. What many non-PvPers think about this as it is? "Aaaa, I can only run with a huge crowd, and I'll receive too little kills, not enough!"

But this one is easy enough as it is? Literally could take like 10 mins in a big fights just using oils or fire trebs.

If its just damage i could get them literally without trying, just throw any random aoe on a zerg and i'd get it.

if you cannot understand how an achievement that promotes a narrow and toxic (dps ONLY, kill stealing) approach to pvp is worse for the overall health and introduction to pvp by new players, over one that instead promotes contribution through any means available from your character (healing, anything other then kill stealing) then nothing anyone says will sway you.

a lot of new players are going to try pvp

that's a lot of meat into an incredibly sweaty, try hard, and experienced grinder.

expecting them to get killing blows when they probably don't even know the name of keeps was dumb.

expecting them to find the frontlines and participate in the battle in some fashion is much more likely, and they may still fail hard at that.

most new players don't even know or buy siege, let alone know what its effects are, or that coldharbor siege is a thing (as seen by the pugs when they try to siege a place and only two people drop fire ballista's -_-) and your claims of siege being this end all be all player killer that slaughters them in simply false, siege does not kill anyone, the best you can do with it is anti siege during a keep battle, only pugs standing in oils would have a chance of death, and even that's a stretch considering the amount of heals.

your expectations of the players this event is far from accurate, and I would hope that you know by now that most people are not as good as you (or perhaps you highly over estimate everyone or terribly underestimate yourself, who knows)

CALLING IT: this forum will have threads complaining about it, and prolly this event overall, once it starts up. dumb ideas.

The noobs will kill the noobs with siege. At leats thats what im going to spam in zone chat when they ask how to get kills.

At its base pvp is about killing other players though, kb's aren't as hard as people think and kill stealing has never been in thing in open cyrodiil. You get ap for basically tickling someone.

The tutorial when you first go into pvp tells you about siege if people skip it then its their fault.

The campaigns won't be the same where usuallys theres enough semi experiences breath spammers to cover siege dmg, its gonna be full of noobs. It still quite possible to kill groups with siege, just not spamming stuff like a single ballista. Syncing 2-3 trebs wipes out group, 2 cold fire stones trebs wipes out groups even the tanks.

You'd be surprised. Its not a day event either, they have 11 days to get 50 killing blows.

Remag_Div · July 2017

For this achievement you'll definitely want to grind out BG's.

Darlgon · July 2017

50 help kills is like 1 hour, at most. More likely one zerg.

50 executes is something to last the whole week and a half.

Luigi_Vampa · July 2017

I don't know how many times we can say the same thing to these people @leepalmer95 . I'm just going to let them whine amongst themselves now.

My final word is this. If you can't figure out how to get 50 killing blows in a week, you don't deserve an achievement.

Rainwhisper · July 2017

If their goal was to lure those of us who are PvE only to try out PvP to get the achievement, this is not going to help that goal.

Blacksmoke · July 2017

This is going to be fun as a healer... well at least I have something to work for!

KingYogi415 · July 2017

Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you cant get 5 kills per battleground match, somthing is very wrong with your build!

It's difficult when your a healer, but if it wasn't for ones heals you would lose the round.

It's not. Healing takes one bar...

TerraDewBerry · July 2017

Typhoios wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
For PvPers.
And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

Get siege, shoot zergs. You literally don't need to change a single thing in your build for this achievement.

I'm so of literally typing buy siege to everyone crying i've seen.

Its not that hard to do. Why is everyone acting like this achievement will be impossible.

PvP scares a lot of PvE players. They think it is way harder, more toxic etc... Than it really is.

Exactly this ^^^ The achievement is not much for people who PvP regularly. It's that people who are sort of squeamish about PvP are gonna look at that requirement and many of them will just pass the event right on by... and it didn't have to be that way. ZOS could have made it a little more palatable for those on the PvP fence who are leaning towards thinking "nah.. this will be too hard."

MrBetadine · July 2017

Kay1 wrote: »

Ohhhh, PvP = Player vs Player, how you expect to kill that player as a tank or healer?

Go in Trials if you wanna tank or heal, both are useless in PvP if you are full spec on one, you need to be a mix of dps/tank/support on both healer and tank, not just one, PvP is not vMol.

Why does my group finder for alliance wars has role selection?

Inconsistency in game design is bad.

Valen_Byte · July 2017

Typhoios wrote: »

I don't know how many times we can say the same thing to these people @leepalmer95 . I'm just going to let them whine amongst themselves now.

My final word is this. If you can't figure out how to get 50 killing blows in a week, you don't deserve an achievement.

So. Much. This. /Thread

Smmokkee · July 2017

Because you can sneeze and contribute to 50 deaths?

Tasear · July 2017

It's definitely a bit too strict since this is suppose to revitalize pvp.

Valen_Byte · July 2017

Tasear wrote: »

It's definitely a bit too strict since this is suppose to revitalize pvp.

That is not the purpose at all. Thats like saying the Pve holiday events were to revitalize Pve.

Feanor · July 2017

The amount of whining is unreal. Just hand out participation trophies for everyone already ZOS.

Draqone · July 2017

As a PvE player and someone that mains a healer:

Biro123 · July 2017

Enemoriana wrote: »

Zendran wrote: »

I'm a little confused what the problem is here. 50 killing blows is pretty much child's play no matter what class you're on, and when you account for a large influx of non-PvPers it becomes even easier. If it was just 50 kill contributions people would just roll with a zerg and get the achievement in 10 seconds.

Of course it will be easier when a lot of non-PvPers will be there.
For PvPers.
And if you are one of those non-PvPers? Who didn't PvP before and will not PvP after, but wants achievements/something that those achievements give? That sounds not so easy.

For me this event sounds like a lot of suffering. Not because doing something unusual for me, that's not a problem, but because it would be really hard and absolutely not fun. And, yes, that's something not right with my build, because it is not for PvP and killstealing. Damn, that's even not some normal build, but it's enough for quests, exploring and doing public dungeons solo, and usually I don't need and want more. And changing absolutely everything, from skills and attributes to armor, for only some days and never again... that would be stupid and I don't have money enough to waste like this. PvE events could take some time, but they were not difficult both for PvE and PvP players. Not very interesting, maybe, but not difficult. And this event...

Oh man, that so triggered me..

Look, not all events are for everyone. As a die-hard PVPer, I have had absolultely no interest in every other event we have had since I started playing. Did I complain about them? NO - because I understand that there are people who play the game who like doing different things than I do who will be enjoying them.

Now we get one, ONE event aimed at the PVPer and the salt from the other side is unreal.. Oh noes, its gonna be hard, My build isn't right, I'm not gonna have fun.....

Ok, so here's some answers to those concerns.. These answers are total common sense and some are based on doing the same thing I did with other events.

1. Its gonna be hard.. Well, its gonna be harder if you don't have a decent build for it, you don't know how to PVP, if you don't want to try, to learn, to challenge yourself. But damn - 50 kills over a week, for a real PVPer is a ridiculously small number (remember who the event is aimed at).

2. Your build isn't right... If you want to take part and do well - GET A NEW BUILD. I understand that unlike the average PVPer, many PVEers are quite cash-rich. I mean all you really need to do is change some gear and skills. You can always change it back. I mean I have to use a different build to do PVP stuff to get gear so I can PVP..

3. You're not gonna have fun.. Well, only if you decide you're not before you start (ie going in with a closed mind) - and don't put any effort into trying to do well (ie getting a build, learning a bit about PVP first)

And the biggest bit of advice which applies to all 3 of the above - ESPECIALLY 3 - is that if you don't have fun - don't do it. This is what I did with the other events we've had. Running around from A to B, back to A, now to C, back to A.... noo - bored with that now, back to PVP. Yeah, I didn't get the achievement, some of the rewards etc... but so what? I had fun with my time doing what I like doing.

Simply put - Not every event is for everyone - if you don't like it, simply don't do it instead of pissing on everyone else's parade.

Biro123 · July 2017

Oh, and btw, I suspect anyone just farming these kills with a friend on the other faction will get hit by Zos - like they did with the resource and outpost flippers last time they had double-AP.

So don't do it!!

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO · July 2017

I get plenty of killing blows on my stam warden, just keep fighting you can do it!