eso auction house

Absolut_Turkey · July 2017

^this^

Crafts_Many_Boxes · July 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.

To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.

Absolutely correct. Now this is the part where some Pro-AH poster has to make up a hypothetical situation to try to argue with your factual statement. Or they'll just outright lie. They'll do it because THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Huh? I'm totally okay with only getting 30-40% gold from sales. 30-40% is a hell of a lot better than 0%, which is what most of us average joe non-trader types get as most / all of our items sit in our banks because we don't want to deal with such a PITA system.

In the interest of full disclosure, I am in a few casual trade guilds and do sell things sometimes, but it's pretty rare that I actually make a sale on anything other than some spare lowbie mats from daily writs. I honestly don't have time to actively PvE and put any sort of concerted effort into trading. I'm speaking from experience when I say I hate this system.

Tandor · July 2017

Mitrenga wrote: »

ESO has a unique trading system and currently, it is one of the few reasons I keep playing this game.

It's very fun to travel town to town in order to find good deals.
I'm finding hard to understand how people thinks trading without an AH is tough.
You just need to get into a trading guild, there are tons of them!
And you have Tamriel Trade Center addon, which will keep you from getting robbed even your MM does not have good info.
Ladies and gents, do you really think the trading is the first thing that needs to be revised?

For me it's the only thing that needs to be revised. Performance and content are fine as is.

Trading guilds are of no relevance to casual players/traders. As a PC player I have no interest in addons (probably one reason I have no performance issues) but console players don't even have the option.

I don't particularly want an auction house, I just want an improvement to the present system so that buyers can search properly and everyone can be a seller regardless of how much they have to sell and whether they're in a particular guild that particular week.

Demycilian · July 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.

To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.

Absolutely correct. Now this is the part where some Pro-AH poster has to make up a hypothetical situation to try to argue with your factual statement. Or they'll just outright lie. They'll do it because THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Except everyone would get an equal chance of trading their goods? Good enough a reason for me. Of course, people that profit from the current system dont want everyone to get that chance of taking their share of trade.

How ZOS can still maintain this systematic exclusion of most of their playerbase is boggling the mind.

Beardimus · July 2017

@Crafts_Many_Boxes are you suggesting that the Anti AH camp only want to trade? As that's just not true, at all!

Sure there made be some that solely trade, but most, like me enjoy the full richness of the game trading included about the only content in not fussed by is trials, but I've done them all.

Done properly trading takes minimal time out of your day. It's this view that it's a side burden that gets in the way that I'm challenging. It's as much of a side burden as doing pledges or farming sharp weapons or completing vMSA if you want a BIS staff for trials. It's just content is all!!!

It's an MMORPG, not a combat game. If you want all the rich fullness of the game you need to cover other areas.

I didn't set out to trade, actually started just playing solo really but I wanted gold to buy things. Started with thieving and moved into trading, looking for deals for myself. It led to me joining trading guilds that got me into so much more the game has to offer.

To think that the Anti AH players are all pure traders is real nonsense.

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

dustin17m wrote: »

I think there should be an auction house, without one there is no real way to create an economy in this game...

This is not true by definition. There is always an economy. Perhaps you don't like how this economy works, but it is there.

Or maybe that is just MMO-speak, like the horrible use of "RNG" and many other idiosyncratic usages.

Crafts_Many_Boxes · July 2017

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

dustin17m wrote: »

I think there should be an auction house, without one there is no real way to create an economy in this game...

This is not true by definition. There is always an economy. Perhaps you don't like how this economy works, but it is there.

Or maybe that is just MMO-speak, like the horrible use of "RNG" and many other idiosyncratic usages.

Our entire argument is that the "economy" doesn't actually exist. It's a handful of players who are very, very focused on trading within their guilds and kiosks and whatnot, and the rest of us who, by and large, don't bother because we only have so many hours of the day and don't want to spend a large portion of that dealing with all the red tape presented by the current system.

Let me be clear on this point: I would LOVE to get into trading. It seems unique and interesting, and would make a great standalone game or a great part of a game that focused on economics.

The problem is, I have 3, maybe 4 hours a night to myself after I get home from work, make dinner, clean up, and take a shower (EDIT: I also don't play every night, if that wasn't clear). I don't want to spend 1 of those 3 hours hopping around to all the traders and trying to find good deals on stuff I need, while simultaneously trying to peddle what little wears I happen to pick up while doing the content I want to do. Since I will never, ever make any sort of sales requirement in a trade guild, I need to make sure I've paid my weekly tribute to the 2 or 3 trade guilds i'm in at the time. It's not bank breaking, but it's just another concern that in literally any other MMO, I wouldn't have to bother with.

TL; DR fully functioning adults only have so much time in the day to play these things, and while I'd personally love to explore every aspect of this game, I can't. We just don't have the time. So, a system that forces us to participate in a very involved, time-consuming trade process is bad for us.

We generally don't have the time to farm for everything we need, but our main activities don't give us the funds / items we need to be competitive / play at the level we would like to. I'd love for vet dungeon bosses or world bosses to drop gold temper items or weapon / spell power pots, but they don't.

delarb14_ESO · July 2017

I would like to see a centralized auction house for ESO. If that will not be done, then at the very least add on ESO's webpage a REAL TIME search that would allow me to see all of the available auction house items that I can then go to and purchase.

Don't bother mentioning the Tamriel Trade Centre (TTC) because it is useless. I've spent hours and days searching for items and going to auction house merchants and NONE of the items are ever there period, end of story, not working at all... The third party website does NOT work at all.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

AlnilamE wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Khami wrote: »

Here's a reason why there will never be a server auction house.

There's two servers total per system. Six servers total.

Games like WoW have over 20 servers in North/South America that start with the letter A. No server in WoW has 100,000+ players on it, which I'm being generous on the low end on how many people log in on a daily basis.

If you think there will be stability with an auction house with what could be close to a million people on one server, you really don't understand what problems it will cause. Nor do you understand how many other games with an AH aren't on a megaserver like this one.

BDO shares the same AH throughout all the channels on the same mega server and they have millions of players as well

I think you are overestimating the BDO population here. Steam usually shows between 19-22k players on. It's harder to gauge what the non-Steam population is, but if we estimate it is between 3x and 4x the steam population, you would end up with 80k-110k players on.

Also, if you go over to the BDO forums you will find the following threads:

1. Marketplace lag problems
2. The fact that rare items, including items necessary to enhance your gear are very hard to get because of competition. People have reported standing at the MP for 4 hours and only being able to buy 2 shards. (I can visit every trader in ESO twice in that time, including all Outlaw refuges).

You also must consider that BDO has no player-to-player trading so people have no choice but to go through the AH.
Also, BDO has a 35% tax on their marketplace AND the prices are controlled.

The majority of the players bought BDO long before it went on Steam, including myself

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

delarb14_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see a centralized auction house for ESO. If that will not be done, then at the very least add on ESO's webpage a REAL TIME search that would allow me to see all of the available auction house items that I can then go to and purchase.

Don't bother mentioning the Tamriel Trade Centre (TTC) because it is useless. I've spent hours and days searching for items and going to auction house merchants and NONE of the items are ever there period, end of story, not working at all... The third party website does NOT work at all.

It works just doesn't say when the items sold.

Beardimus · July 2017

@Crafts_Many_Boxes I too have extremely limited play time. Sometimes its just a cheeky 15 mins here or there snuck in around real life. I play 2-4 times a week tops.

If trading takes you more than 30 mins a week absolute maximum you are doing it wrong. That's buying and selling.

However you do mention something I think these AH threads look over and that's Region base. Xbox EU trading guilds don't have subs. Thus membership is easy, and casual. I'm in two dedicated and two hybrid that do other things.

US however appears to have fees and minimum sales targets etc. So perhaps its a little different hence different views.

Still however as a BUYER you shouldn't be spending hours. I flick thru my trading guilds, then port to 2 or 3 places I know generally have deals. I craft all my food, potions, enchants etc so it's just rare items or set pieces or if I'm after a deal I can relist.

Again I think people who don't craft and try to use traders daily for basic things can get frustrated, and rightly so.

Used properly the current system is very efficient. And I think I spend less time.trading to earn gold and buy shoulders at the golden that I do farming pledges for RNG. Hence again I bring it back to priorities. And often people think combat is all there is, personally grinding and farming is the dullest thing in the game, thus I don't do it. As its 'action' some seem to prefer it over trading. Each to their own.

Bottom line is there is no AH. And no plans mentioned. So personally I think.it's better to adapt and make the current system efficient than fight against it and get frustrated.

Tandor · July 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

delarb14_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see a centralized auction house for ESO. If that will not be done, then at the very least add on ESO's webpage a REAL TIME search that would allow me to see all of the available auction house items that I can then go to and purchase.

Don't bother mentioning the Tamriel Trade Centre (TTC) because it is useless. I've spent hours and days searching for items and going to auction house merchants and NONE of the items are ever there period, end of story, not working at all... The third party website does NOT work at all.

It works just doesn't say when the items sold.

So it works as well as Amazon would if they took your money without telling you whether they had your item in stock?

Sounds great!

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

@Crafts_Many_Boxes I too have extremely limited play time. Sometimes its just a cheeky 15 mins here or there snuck in around real life. I play 2-4 times a week tops.

If trading takes you more than 30 mins a week absolute maximum you are doing it wrong. That's buying and selling.

However you do mention something I think these AH threads look over and that's Region base. Xbox EU trading guilds don't have subs. Thus membership is easy, and casual. I'm in two dedicated and two hybrid that do other things.

US however appears to have fees and minimum sales targets etc. So perhaps its a little different hence different views.

Still however as a BUYER you shouldn't be spending hours. I flick thru my trading guilds, then port to 2 or 3 places I know generally have deals. I craft all my food, potions, enchants etc so it's just rare items or set pieces or if I'm after a deal I can relist.

Again I think people who don't craft and try to use traders daily for basic things can get frustrated, and rightly so.

Used properly the current system is very efficient. And I think I spend less time.trading to earn gold and buy shoulders at the golden that I do farming pledges for RNG. Hence again I bring it back to priorities. And often people think combat is all there is, personally grinding and farming is the dullest thing in the game, thus I don't do it. As its 'action' some seem to prefer it over trading. Each to their own.

Bottom line is there is no AH. And no plans mentioned. So personally I think.it's better to adapt and make the current system efficient than fight against it and get frustrated.

The problem is were not really fighting against it we just want it to be more convenient, as an example I used in multiple threads using Marketers to pool in all available data in each zone to those central marketers as just an information feed nothing else no owning them or what not, and also all the sales will still go to those guilds that were listed by the specific person.

Also what they could do to improve it is to allow people without guilds to get in on it as well by listing at auctioneer's instead but with a 5-10 item cap listing instead of 30.

Eloheynu · July 2017

Hey guys, I thought you might be interested in this addon I released:
Nirn Auction House
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=1768

FEATURES
Nirn Auction House allows you to trade with anyone across all of Nirn with no listing fees or tax
Nirn Auction House is a global auction system, unlike the guild store you will be able to bid on items as well as buyout items.

Auction Buying and Selling Functionality

--Ability to post an auction with only starting bid, no buyout price. (Auction Length: 24 hours)
--Ability to post an auction with starting bid and buyout price. (Auction Length: 7 days)
--Ability to post auction with only a buyout price. (Auction Length: 7 days)

Posting Auctions / Selling Items

- Right click menu to auction items in your inventory(can auction items directly from your inventory, crafting bag, or equipped items)
- Order tracking so you can see all your auctions and status of bids
- Fulfill orders by a click of a button - add-on will automatically send and COD item to the buyer (Items need to be in your inventory!)
- Seller Protection: Buyer can only bid/buyout items if you can afford them (More to come... )

-Elo

BigBragg · July 2017

Why can't they add search functionality to the forums?

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2017

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

The mmos with the BEST economies DO NOT use centralized AH. For example: Eve Online has an economist that oversees their ingame economy, and guess what? NO centralized AH.

As a 7 year Eve Online vet. You forget to add in the fact that Eve Online. Has a super powerful in game search tool, with graph.

If I'm in any of the system's outposts in Cobalt Edge region, I can search for a single item all the way in Jita.

I'm also a anti global AH person. However the current system is silly and like most of this game, not even half done. There needs to be at least a way to search the guild traders. A stall that will allow you to search all of the traders in that map. However you would still have to walk to that trader to buy the item you want.

That would be a win win for everyone except for the very very few people. Who does nothing in-game other then socialize and buy and sell.

Danny_UK · August 2017

I think there should be some sort of auction house, when I first started playing this game I was looking all over the place for an auction house until I realised they are guild traders. Some people don't find it easy to get into a guild and you shouldn't have to to sell your stuff to others without putting it in chat.

At the least they could link up all guild traders so you can see all items at 1 point because it's so stupid right now looking for items in all guild stores. I'm currently in 2 guilds but I knew how frustrating it was when I first started out, I like many others are in favour of an auction house.

Blairy087 · August 2017

Źzzzzzzzzzzz another one? Come on guys its never gonna happen.

The_Smilemeister · August 2017

QuebraRegra · August 2017

Demycilian wrote: »

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.

To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.

Absolutely correct. Now this is the part where some Pro-AH poster has to make up a hypothetical situation to try to argue with your factual statement. Or they'll just outright lie. They'll do it because THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Except everyone would get an equal chance of trading their goods? Good enough a reason for me. Of course, people that profit from the current system dont want everyone to get that chance of taking their share of trade.

How ZOS can still maintain this systematic exclusion of most of their playerbase is boggling the mind.

"the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many"

Cpt_Teemo · August 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.

To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.

Absolutely correct. Now this is the part where some Pro-AH poster has to make up a hypothetical situation to try to argue with your factual statement. Or they'll just outright lie. They'll do it because THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Except everyone would get an equal chance of trading their goods? Good enough a reason for me. Of course, people that profit from the current system dont want everyone to get that chance of taking their share of trade.

How ZOS can still maintain this systematic exclusion of most of their playerbase is boggling the mind.

"the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many"

Hm, might a few that don't want the AH system but if ESO really did want people to come back to the game that quit over such a horrendous trading system they would meet 1/2 way atleast. By adding centralized Marketers per zone that pool all info from that zone into that one trader and also the ability to list 10 items to sell on it as well per month so it will help others that can't get into a trading guild, and instead that tax goes back to Zos not the guild. Also to remove all the blanked out items when searching for something as well per page so we don't have to keep flipping through blank pages.

So therefore we can keep the guild trading system and still have a better way of searching for the stuff we want.

Darlgon · August 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Absolut_Turkey wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.

To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.

Absolutely correct. Now this is the part where some Pro-AH poster has to make up a hypothetical situation to try to argue with your factual statement. Or they'll just outright lie. They'll do it because THERE IS NO GOOD REASON FOR AN AUCTION HOUSE.

Except everyone would get an equal chance of trading their goods? Good enough a reason for me. Of course, people that profit from the current system dont want everyone to get that chance of taking their share of trade.

How ZOS can still maintain this systematic exclusion of most of their playerbase is boggling the mind.

"the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many"

The development and design requirements of ZoS outweighs the needs of the many and the few. You agreed to play their game, you play by thier rule of "no global auction hall".

Why is this such a hard concept to understand? Its like agreeing to play tag and you decide you want to play tackle football instead.

Peekachu99 · August 2017

How about bloody ALPHABETIZED SORTING AND SEARCH FEATURE? I mean, there's no excuse for those basic quality of life fixes even if they're set on keeping this prehistoric trader system.

Vipstaakki · August 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

How about bloody ALPHABETIZED SORTING AND SEARCH FEATURE? I mean, there's no excuse for those basic quality of life fixes even if they're set on keeping this prehistoric trader system.

Auction houses existed since MUD's. Guild traders like this are rather new invention. So i wonder which system is truly prehistoric/archaic.

zergbase_ESO · August 2017

Necromancy... Maybe I should role-play a necromancer again...

Jamascus · August 2017

Blairy087 wrote: »

Źzzzzzzzzzzz another one? Come on guys its never gonna happen.

It keeps getting brought up because the current system sucks giant, hariy donkey balls.

UrbanAvalon · August 2017

I play ESO to run PvE/PvP content, not run around for 45 minutes searching 50 guild traders across 10 cities for 1 item I want.

An auction house would bring transparancy in pricing, new players wont sell high value gear that's worth 200K for just 5K, and I'll stop seeing people try to sell double bloody mara recipes for 100K. It would hopefully also cut down on players spamming zone chat...

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

thisisScoMan wrote: »

Please no auction house.

After needing a recipe for a writ last night and checking all the "main vendors" who were selling said recipe for $120k+, I was very happy to go out of my way a bit and find it for $18k.

This would not happen with an auction house. I would be stuck with $120k+.

So you scammed some kid who didn't have access to market tools, smh.

MLGProPlayer · August 2017

UrbanAvalon wrote: »

I play ESO to run PvE/PvP content, not run around for 45 minutes searching 50 guild traders across 10 cities for 1 item I want.

An auction house would bring transparancy in pricing, new players wont sell high value gear that's worth 200K for just 5K, and I'll stop seeing people try to sell double bloody mara recipes for 100K. It would hopefully also cut down on players spamming zone chat...

It can take well over 1-2 hours with all the loading screens to find an item sometimes. That's just absurd.

Azuramoonstar · August 2017

dustin17m wrote: »

op

In many mmo none of that actually happens. MMO are doing away with AH slowly and more going on a market board type where you just buy an item.

In ff14 where is a market board system, and all people do is complain about under cutting (with out knowing the term) as well as people price gouge items, even basic easy to get stuff. Using but i spent x amount of time leveling i deserve that price, as an excuse for it.

More often then not people just out right bought the items, and no real bidding took place. Idm eso is the way it is. It feels old school, and i like this better.