Don't you absolutely hate it when people tell you and others how to play the game you paid for...

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

No

Jeremy wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I mostly play as tank so I'm actually glad when people give me input about positioning, buffs, debuffs they want and so on. I frequently ask for such info anyway if I feel something's not right. Since this is my first MMO I had to learn everything from scratch. I constantly learn new things after almost 2 years in this game. So I'm actually glad when people give me tips about gameplay.

But giving you tips is not the same as ordering you to do something in a demanding, controlling way like they think there a dictator.

I am beginning to wonder if I'm reading the same OP as everyone else....

Sadly, thats how many people react to any tips or critique (as if it was offensive or something, even if it actually was polite).
And in some situation there's 2 choices: either a person follows the tactic or group keeps wiping. It used to be a huge problem with IC dungeons when they were just released, for example, some people were outright refusing to do portal mechanic or throw grenades during flesh sculptor fight, and telling me not to teach them how to play. Perhaps that was "bossy" or "demanding" from their point of view.
On the other hand, I've carried newbies through normal dlc dungeons, including cradle of shadows, without any issues or wipes. And it only worked because they were willing to listen.

Father_X_Zombie · July 2017

I had a cp 180 bow/resto nightblade queue into a vet dungeon as the healer and just spam vigor. Some people actually need a push in the right directon

Asardes · July 2017

No

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

I had a cp 180 bow/resto nightblade queue into a vet dungeon as the healer and just spam vigor. Some people actually need a push in the right directon

It was probably a long journey for him to get vigor sporting that combo

Nyladreas · July 2017

Welcome to the internet.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

There is a difference between constructive criticism and do it my way or GTFO. If you queue for a vet dungeon as a tank and dont have a sword and board, (or as a DPS with one) well someone needs to tell you how to play.

There are many veteran dungeons you can adequately tank with an ice staff.

Sure there are, but it is not a very common sight to see in a pug group. If I saw a tank with a staff, and he said, dont worry I am built for Ice Staff tanking, then it would not be an issue. Most of the time, its a "tank" with a bow and a resto staff or something equally absurd.

Shadzilla · July 2017

No

Royaji wrote: »

I don't want to jump to conclusions but seems like someone just got kicked from a dungeon/trial for bringing a bow/bow hybrid warden DD...

LOLOLOLOL exactly what I thought.

starkerealm · July 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Eh, depends. Yesterday I got called a "baddie" tank for not miraculously saving the idiot healer that rolled over the poison circles and who stood in the bug aoe during the Atro fight in IC. He also claimed I "lost aggro" when the boss has his scripted run to the middle.

@Peekachu99, "lost aggro?"

Was in discord once (one of the DPS didn't realize I was still there, nor that I was the tank he was talking about) when it was mentioned that I "de-aggro'd" the boss during the fight.

Not even sure how that's possible, since overtaunt hasn't been a thing for better than a year now.

So "lost aggro?" You're clearly a n00b

You're not a real "bad tank" until you can "de-aggro" a boss. (I think it involved buying him ice cream or something?)

Ikr? It's not as if a dps can pull hate off you--no matter how leet they are. (Unless they're dumb enough to use inner fire or puncture.) And yeah, spammable taunts have been in the game for ages now. It was such an unpleasant run. And the player just didn't want to listen or contribute. Probably should have kicked him, in retrospect. I only do that as a last resort, though, especially when someone has been in que or in the dungeon for a while.

Or using a frost staff for DPS. Ugh.

starkerealm · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Sometimes it's ok, like earlier I was in a group normal dungeon me 200cp a guy max the other 40+ and a level 15 tank who must've been wearing light gear.

The "tank" was dropping like a fly which wouldn't happen if wearing heavy no matter the level since he scales to 160cp but the max cp dude was going nuts in the text chat, I refused to kick the guy it was an easy dungeon and we've all been carried at one point in life but yeah it did have to be said but at the the same time be a little less angry about it.

I've lost count how many groups I've been in with tanks who use lighting and flame staffs - who do not taunt - and who stand in the back spamming heavy and light attacks. It's one of the reasons I re-designed my healer to be able to decently tank in fact - it has gotten so bad.

DPS shouldn't queue as tanks for faster times. It's selfish and I fully support removing those players from a group. But I don't see this as what the OP was referring to. And there is no need to start barking orders at them regardless. Because if they refuse to play their role when asked nicely - resorting to ordering them to do so I seriously doubt is going to work either.

Just remove them from the group.

I changed to a tank straight after it LOL I'm a mag tank and a healer from one day to the next but always go in fully geared for my role.

Yeah it's a good idea to have a back up plan. I've ended up doing the same thing.

It would be nice if there was a way to prevent dps from abusing the group finder and signing up as tanks for faster queue times. But I'm not really sure how they could about doing it.

The worst suggestion which keeps getting tossed around is applying a TSW style gatekeeper to Vet dungeons. If you want to queue for a role in a public group, you need to be able to clear that gatekeeper challenge on that character at least once.

I mean, the alternative would be to bake some kind of stat modifications into your assigned role in a dungeon, and then effectively force someone towards actually performing their role.

Alternately you could assign prereq thresholds for picking a role. Need to have heals slotted for a healer. Need to have tank abilities slotted to count as a tank, ect. So a character with no slotted tank abilities couldn't queue as a tank. Again, not ideal, but the suggestion has been floated.

The best option would probably be some kind of loadout system where players can fully respec on the fly, with gear they're using on dedicated tanks. But... that's a major mechanical overhaul for a relatively minor problem.

LilySix · July 2017

No

Lots of people need a push in the right direction. Sometimes they even want to do endgame content with you... But they don't undertand why they have to trust you when you say that a stamina NB playing bow is not wanted in endgame content.

starkerealm · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I mostly play as tank so I'm actually glad when people give me input about positioning, buffs, debuffs they want and so on. I frequently ask for such info anyway if I feel something's not right. Since this is my first MMO I had to learn everything from scratch. I constantly learn new things after almost 2 years in this game. So I'm actually glad when people give me tips about gameplay.

But giving you tips is not the same as ordering you to do something in a demanding, controlling way like they think there a dictator.

I am beginning to wonder if I'm reading the same OP as everyone else...

There's a continuity between gentle suggestions, and, "you will ****ing do this right now!"

Unfortunately, absent context, it's impossible to know where the OP's triggering event actually landed on that spectrum. I've seen people flip out and rage quit over very innocuous suggestions, like keeping an eye out for the red, and I've seen people take full psychotic breaks to the face, and just shrug it off with, "he's a bit high strung."

This means, everyone's answering a slightly different question, and has a slightly different idea of what the OP is talking about.

Knootewoot · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Well, I play how I want. I do not have optimal build and I run gear/setup I like.

I am in a PvP/PvE guild who are really cool and relaxed and don't demand anything (yes, there are occasional rotten apples who blame any dungeon wipe on others)

But next to this guild I have been in several others who where pretty demanding. You are x class, you must run x setup or kick. I did what ever sane person would do.. I left those guilds. I play casual so I am glad I am in a casual guild.

XxBradeyxX · July 2017

No

I was reported for dungeon griefing the other day

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

No

When the game is all about DPS....

You have these players who think they paid for game they can go ahead and jump into dungeons and play how they like
...
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VoteKick that mofo

Dungeons isnt for playing how you like.
You use what I tell you to use.
Because it maximizes your DPS.

You maximize your DPS, you dont go around going into dungeons playin how you like.

Feanor · July 2017

No

XxBradeyxX wrote: »

I was reported for dungeon griefing the other day

That's irrelevant. The question is if you were banned for dungeon griefing.

rustic_potato · July 2017

No

Hey OP you paid for a game and you are fine to play your own way as long as you don't waste other's time. Playing the solo content this game has to offer is perfect for that playstyle. The moment you start doing group content with organized group you better be doing what the raid leader wants you to be doing else you will be removed from said groups.

Its not a negative.

Play as you want is valid till end game. At endgame you basically play as how the guild leadership wants for any serious content you want to do.

It might sound like being draconian or like a dictatorship but it is needed. 99% of the player base has no clue on what is required to complete said content.

Arkvoril · July 2017

No

menedhyn wrote: »

...because I pay absolutely no attention to them. The best people offer well reasoned advice to make you think about your build. Those, I listen to.

Yep.

JinMori · July 2017

No

No, i don't give a single ***.
The only time i listen is when the other player actually have something to teach me, i don't go around and say omg this dude, he's so annoying, trying to tell me ***, trying to help me out, he's so annoying.

This is exactly why you see so many dps doing 3k dps, it's because they don't listen, they join a group, being completely oblivious to the fact that they suck, or they know about it, but they still join, and then they ruin it for everyone, that's because people are not listening to better players, they think they already know everything, but they don't.

qsnoopyjr · July 2017

No

JinMori wrote: »

No, i don't give a single ***.
The only time i listen is when the other player actually have something to teach me, i don't go around and say omg this dude, he's so annoying, trying to tell me ***, trying to help me out, he's so annoying.

This is exactly why you see so many dps doing 3k dps, it's because they don't *** listen, they join a group, being completely oblivious to the fact that they suck, or they know about it, but they still join, and then they ruin it for everyone, that's because people are not listening to better players, they think they already know everything, but they don't.

This thread is about you telling others what to do and they dont do it.

I assume by the way you talk, other people usually tell you what to do.
If ya dont DPS over 20k, which is very easy. You should be listening.

Don't go into those dungeons playing how you like pal, those people are trying to rush through it, they don't want to carry others through it, because those 'others' want to play how they like cuz 'they paid'.

You can do your solo content how you like, you like taking all day to earn 1 or 2 CP or 1k to 5k gold thats fine to you.
Others of us, we college educated, our time is very valuable, we want to be making 1 or 2 CP in not a whole day time, but in 30 min to 1 hour time, 1k to 5k gold is not enough for us and be complete waste of time if we spent a whole day worth just to get 1k-5k gold, we like to earn 10 to 50k gold in 30 min to 1 hour time instead.

We dont want to spend all day doing the two dungeon daily, we want to be done with both dailies within 1 hour MAXIMUM.

JinMori · July 2017

No

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

No, i don't give a single ***.
The only time i listen is when the other player actually have something to teach me, i don't go around and say omg this dude, he's so annoying, trying to tell me ***, trying to help me out, he's so annoying.

This is exactly why you see so many dps doing 3k dps, it's because they don't *** listen, they join a group, being completely oblivious to the fact that they suck, or they know about it, but they still join, and then they ruin it for everyone, that's because people are not listening to better players, they think they already know everything, but they don't.

This thread is about you telling others what to do and they dont do it.

I assume by the way you talk, other people usually tell you what to do.
If ya dont DPS over 20k, which is very easy. You should be listening.

Don't go into those dungeons playing how you like pal, those people are trying to rush through it, they don't want to carry others through it, because those 'others' want to play how they like cuz 'they paid'.

No, other people don't usually tell me what to do, what i learned i learned from youtubers, but usually people don't tell me what to do, that's because admittedly i'm not the average dude, i think that if i can do about 60 k dps, i'm better then the average.

Well, that was before i stopped playing thanks to the recent morrowind changes.

But if someone better then me would tell me something, i would listen.

Most of the thing you learn you don't learn for yourself, you learn from other people. That is true in every aspect of life.

ookami007 · July 2017

No

So, I can't tell from your question... but it kind of sounds snowflakey.

For instance, if I hang out at a basketball court (let's say it at a paid gym, so I "paid" for it) and I shoot hops by myself for hours on end - no one really has the right to tell me how to shoot hops. Sure, if I'm smart I'll listen to good advice to improve my shots, but I have the option of ignoring them.

In that same scenario, if 3 guys/gals come up and ask me if I want to do a little 2 on 2 and I'm pretty much all over the place, ball hogging and generally being a complete arse, then they DO have the right to tell me that I'm wrong - with the understanding that if I don't start playing like a team player, I can go back to shooting hoops by myself.

It's similar with ESO. Solo any way you want. If you join a group, they are going to expect you to do your job as part of the team... and if you can't or won't... you deserve any scorn you receive. If you explain that you are noob and would appreciate advice, etc. then most people will understand - we've all been there. If you're hell bent to do things your way regardless of the effect on the group - expect to be treated like the arse you are.

Deal with it.