Don't you absolutely hate it when people tell you and others how to play the game you paid for...

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

This isn't Facebook.

Belidos · July 2017

Don't you tell me what options I have to choose from, I choose my own choices!

DRXHarbinger · July 2017

No

Stay out of group finder when I'm in it.

Peekachu99 · July 2017

Eh, depends. Yesterday I got called a "baddie" tank for not miraculously saving the idiot healer that rolled over the poison circles and who stood in the bug aoe during the Atro fight in IC. He also claimed I "lost aggro" when the boss has his scripted run to the middle. Was entirely clueless and rude and could have initiated a kick.

At that point I decided instruction was required. I had to explain how even a temp healer can still use Sweeps to defend himself, and to NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE when the boss runs there. He continued being belligerent anyway and died on every boss including Warden. Luckily, Honor of the Dead saved the day. (Btw if you're being reading this Rude Healer, please know everyone thought you were terrible.)

Point is: I'm fine staying quiet until people start blaming their incompetence on others.

starkerealm · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

There is never a reason to order someone about in a demanding and controlling way as if you were their dictator. That's not acceptable to me under any circumstance.

Well, there was that guild member that kept joking about doing... "socially inappropriate," things to a chicken.

I understand your intent, and agree to some extent, but there are always thresholds where, sometimes, you just need to tell someone to cut it out. It's very rare that I've seen that kind of behavior extend to builds. But, when you have someone, who is clearly a DPS, and is queuing as a tank and healer to cut down on their queue times... yeah, then telling them that they shouldn't be lying about their role in the group finder, in firm terms, is somewhat appropriate.

Chadak · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

I'm not a fan of people thinking they're helping by being dumb at me about something I'm doing, or that they think I'm doing.

For example, I was doing a normal dungeon with some random pledge group just to knock the daily out and I noticed that the healer sucked. So, being on my magsorc, I swapped my volatile out for my matriarch so I could do some offhealing.

It was a normal dungeon. I've soloed it before. They couldn't just hung out at the entrance and watched *** or something for a bit and I'd have cleared it by myself if I had to. I really didn't figure some CP 88 dude was going to immediately stop the parade and flip out about 'wtf a DPS has a healer pet out for' and proceed to attempt to lecture me about what I should have on my bar and blahblahblah, dork-recites-some-Alcast-trial-build, insisting it was what every magsorc needed to do any DPS at all ever.

Even after I told him why I pulled the matriarch out, he insisted that I 'let the healer learn to swim on his own'.

Because I want to take an hour to do this dungeon I could solo in twenty minutes tops? What the bleep?

So I told him he could sit there and pout while I solo'd the place if he felt that way.

He whined and tried to initiative a vote kick, which didn't succeed, and then he convinced himself I couldn't possibly do the dungeon without him since he was, in fact, going to sit there and pout, since HE was the TANK and the world was not allowed to go on without him.

So I swapped frags out for hardened ward and the world, as with the dungeon, went on without him . Heavy attacks with liquid, wall, wrath, ward and matriarch on the front bar? I can solo all the things with that and never even have to drop buffs or worry about even looking at my back bar, especially in normal I's. Is it best DPS? Hell naw. But I'm not going to die and the other things will die. I've done vMA, solo'd dungeons, solo'd a few vet dungeons and solo'd worldbosses all over Tamriel with that.

We vote kicked him about halfway through, since he resumed his fit throwing when he realized that he was completely unnecessary after all, and his opinion wasn't worth a pocket full of poo.

And what was his lame-arse snivel afterwards? "This is what I get for trying to help". Paraphrasing. I didn't screenshot the nonsense, though had I known I'd be recounting the anecdote, I would have.

That's not helping. I do not appreciate nor want 'help' of that variety.

Well meaning help or even criticism offered in a conversational manner might be well received. I don't bite peoples' heads off when they ask about my gear and sometimes offer their own ideas of how I might improve the loadout.

Their remarks are usually ignored, because I quite like my setup, but I don't get crabby about things like that.

When help is actually meant to help, I'll probably be sociable in receiving it, even if it winds up ignored.

When 'help' is just an excuse to be a dictator, or false justification for being a hostile ass?

That ain't help at all.

starkerealm · July 2017

Belidos wrote: »

Don't you tell me what options I have to choose from, I choose my own choices!

"'Not for human consumption?' I'll show them!"

hydrocynus · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Especially when it's the NPCs trying to give me clues on mechanics. I hate that.

I mean seriously what do they know? ZoS said I can play how I want to play why should I listen to NPCs or other players for that matter?

Also Nerf nMA or if you can't, then please buff Khajit Fire Sorcs cos I can't get past the first round with my elemental blockade flurry build. They are stealing my money.

Chadak · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

hydrocynus wrote: »

Especially when it's the NPCs trying to give me clues on mechanics. I hate that.

I mean seriously what do they know? ZoS said I can play how I want to play why should I listen to NPCs or other players for that matter?

Also Nerf nMA or if you can't, then please buff Khajit Fire Sorcs cos I can't get past the first round with my elemental blockade flurry build. They are stealing my money.

Silly kitty. Everyone knows you're supposed to spam deadly cloak. It has 'deadly' right there in the name. That's how you kill stuff.

I'm Helping™!

The_Smilemeister · July 2017

No

I'm no dictator's b**ch! S**t stains for players who think they have control of me gets my back turned on them and two middle fingers raised in their direction!

Merlin13KAGL · July 2017

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Eh, depends. Yesterday I got called a "baddie" tank for not miraculously saving the idiot healer that rolled over the poison circles and who stood in the bug aoe during the Atro fight in IC. He also claimed I "lost aggro" when the boss has his scripted run to the middle.

@Peekachu99, "lost aggro?"

Was in discord once (one of the DPS didn't realize I was still there, nor that I was the tank he was talking about) when it was mentioned that I "de-aggro'd" the boss during the fight.

Not even sure how that's possible, since overtaunt hasn't been a thing for better than a year now.

So "lost aggro?" You're clearly a n00b

You're not a real "bad tank" until you can "de-aggro" a boss. (I think it involved buying him ice cream or something?)

hydrocynus · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Chadak wrote: »

hydrocynus wrote: »

Especially when it's the NPCs trying to give me clues on mechanics. I hate that.

I mean seriously what do they know? ZoS said I can play how I want to play why should I listen to NPCs or other players for that matter?

Also Nerf nMA or if you can't, then please buff Khajit Fire Sorcs cos I can't get past the first round with my elemental blockade flurry build. They are stealing my money.

Silly kitty. Everyone knows you're supposed to spam deadly cloak. It has 'deadly' right there in the name. That's how you kill stuff.

I'm Helping™!

There you go sending helpful hints when you voted for how much it irritates you when people try to help you with their fake news!!!

Peekachu99 · July 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Eh, depends. Yesterday I got called a "baddie" tank for not miraculously saving the idiot healer that rolled over the poison circles and who stood in the bug aoe during the Atro fight in IC. He also claimed I "lost aggro" when the boss has his scripted run to the middle.

@Peekachu99, "lost aggro?"

Was in discord once (one of the DPS didn't realize I was still there, nor that I was the tank he was talking about) when it was mentioned that I "de-aggro'd" the boss during the fight.

Not even sure how that's possible, since overtaunt hasn't been a thing for better than a year now.

So "lost aggro?" You're clearly a n00b

You're not a real "bad tank" until you can "de-aggro" a boss. (I think it involved buying him ice cream or something?)

Ikr? It's not as if a dps can pull hate off you--no matter how leet they are. (Unless they're dumb enough to use inner fire or puncture.) And yeah, spammable taunts have been in the game for ages now. It was such an unpleasant run. And the player just didn't want to listen or contribute. Probably should have kicked him, in retrospect. I only do that as a last resort, though, especially when someone has been in que or in the dungeon for a while.

notimetocare · July 2017

No

Not really. Most are well intentioned even if they come off as a prick. I grew up pretty harassed and nothing bothers me anymore. If it offended you, get some thicker skin. Can even go as far as I do, "thanks but I prefer my way".

max_only · July 2017

Chadak wrote: »

I'm not a fan of people thinking they're helping by being dumb at me about something I'm doing, or that they think I'm doing.

For example, I was doing a normal dungeon with some random pledge group just to knock the daily out and I noticed that the healer sucked. So, being on my magsorc, I swapped my volatile out for my matriarch so I could do some offhealing.

It was a normal dungeon. I've soloed it before. They couldn't just hung out at the entrance and watched *** or something for a bit and I'd have cleared it by myself if I had to. I really didn't figure some CP 88 dude was going to immediately stop the parade and flip out about 'wtf a DPS has a healer pet out for' and proceed to attempt to lecture me about what I should have on my bar and blahblahblah, dork-recites-some-Alcast-trial-build, insisting it was what every magsorc needed to do any DPS at all ever.

Even after I told him why I pulled the matriarch out, he insisted that I 'let the healer learn to swim on his own'.

Because I want to take an hour to do this dungeon I could solo in twenty minutes tops? What the bleep?

So I told him he could sit there and pout while I solo'd the place if he felt that way.

He whined and tried to initiative a vote kick, which didn't succeed, and then he convinced himself I couldn't possibly do the dungeon without him since he was, in fact, going to sit there and pout, since HE was the TANK and the world was not allowed to go on without him.

So I swapped frags out for hardened ward and the world, as with the dungeon, went on without him . Heavy attacks with liquid, wall, wrath, ward and matriarch on the front bar? I can solo all the things with that and never even have to drop buffs or worry about even looking at my back bar, especially in normal I's. Is it best DPS? Hell naw. But I'm not going to die and the other things will die. I've done vMA, solo'd dungeons, solo'd a few vet dungeons and solo'd worldbosses all over Tamriel with that.

We vote kicked him about halfway through, since he resumed his fit throwing when he realized that he was completely unnecessary after all, and his opinion wasn't worth a pocket full of poo.

And what was his lame-arse snivel afterwards? "This is what I get for trying to help". Paraphrasing. I didn't screenshot the nonsense, though had I known I'd be recounting the anecdote, I would have.

That's not helping. I do not appreciate nor want 'help' of that variety.

Well meaning help or even criticism offered in a conversational manner might be well received. I don't bite peoples' heads off when they ask about my gear and sometimes offer their own ideas of how I might improve the loadout.

Their remarks are usually ignored, because I quite like my setup, but I don't get crabby about things like that.

When help is actually meant to help, I'll probably be sociable in receiving it, even if it winds up ignored.

When 'help' is just an excuse to be a dictator, or false justification for being a hostile ass?

That ain't help at all.

All I read was "please nerf sorc I'm too good at literally everything".

Sorry not sorry

vamp_emily · July 2017

No

A few days ago a silly AD jumped in front of the keep guards and tried to kill me. He died and then I t-bagged him. A few minutes later I get a whisper

ad: You are not allowed to t-bag me
me: Really?
ad: The guards did all the damage
me: lol, I don't play your game, I will t-bag you again. I can t-bag anyone I want, try and stop me.
ad: you are no good
me: Say hello to me ignore list

Mettaricana · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Cant stand it when im told wrecking blow with a broom on a magicka sorc nord is not BiS

Jeremy · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Typhoios wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I don't find that the question is too vague. Nor is the OP lacking any context that I would need to see before justifying an answer.

There is never a reason to order someone about in a demanding and controlling way as if you were their dictator. That's not acceptable to me under any circumstance.

There are polite or mature ways to give suggestions if it is needed. But for someone to act like a complete jerk about it shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. This is a video game.

Without context it is too vauge. For all we know OP is a tank that wasn't taunting the boss and just heavy attacking with a two-hander. Maybe the group asked, "hey, can you taunt the boss?" to which OP responds "I bought this game I can play how I want! Stop being a dictator! it is unlikely but I've seen it happen.

For all we know OP is this guy,

Except that simply asking someone to taunt a boss is not ordering someone about in a demanding and controlling fashion like a dictator-wannabe. So your scenario has nothing to do with the OP's actual remarks. That's called making a reasonable suggestion.

The author of his thread was very descriptive about the types of players he/she was referring to. There are players out there who believe they are the ________. That their way of playing is God's gift to Tamriel and therefore have some right to order other players about as if they were their slaves or subjects to do with as they please. And these types of players are out there. I know because I have run across them before (though thankfully not nearly as often these days as I used to). And these are clearly the types of players the author of this thread is referring to.

You (and to be fair many others in this thread ) are simply choosing to ignore what the OP actually says or not to take his/her words at face value. And I do not believe that is fair.

I'll comment on the scenario you describe quickly as this post is starting to get longer than I would like. If there is a player who refuses to cooperate with the group (such as a tank refusing to taunt a boss) then I believe the appropriate response would be to either vote to remove them from the group or simply leave the group yourself. Personally I usually try to adapt and make the group work regardless. But that is just me and I would not expect that of others.

There is a never reason to start barking orders at another player in a controlling and authoritarian fashion telling them how they should be playing. It's extremely rude and annoying to do so and no situation - especially no situation on a video game - merits it.

Jeremy · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

starkerealm wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

There is never a reason to order someone about in a demanding and controlling way as if you were their dictator. That's not acceptable to me under any circumstance.

Well, there was that guild member that kept joking about doing... "socially inappropriate," things to a chicken.

I understand your intent, and agree to some extent, but there are always thresholds where, sometimes, you just need to tell someone to cut it out. It's very rare that I've seen that kind of behavior extend to builds. But, when you have someone, who is clearly a DPS, and is queuing as a tank and healer to cut down on their queue times... yeah, then telling them that they shouldn't be lying about their role in the group finder, in firm terms, is somewhat appropriate.

I was speaking in the context of rudely ordering someone how to play the game. That is what I believe is unacceptable under any circumstance. So I think you are reading too much into my comments.

I was not trying to imply that you can't tell someone who is talking about molesting chickens to cut it out.

Argah · July 2017

Sometimes it's ok, like earlier I was in a group normal dungeon me 200cp a guy max the other 40+ and a level 15 tank who must've been wearing light gear.

The "tank" was dropping like a fly which wouldn't happen if wearing heavy no matter the level since he scales to 160cp but the max cp dude was going nuts in the text chat, I refused to kick the guy it was an easy dungeon and we've all been carried at one point in life but yeah it did have to be said but at the the same time be a little less angry about it.

Jeremy · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Argah wrote: »

Sometimes it's ok, like earlier I was in a group normal dungeon me 200cp a guy max the other 40+ and a level 15 tank who must've been wearing light gear.

The "tank" was dropping like a fly which wouldn't happen if wearing heavy no matter the level since he scales to 160cp but the max cp dude was going nuts in the text chat, I refused to kick the guy it was an easy dungeon and we've all been carried at one point in life but yeah it did have to be said but at the the same time be a little less angry about it.

I've lost count how many groups I've been in with tanks who use lighting and flame staffs - who do not taunt - and who stand in the back spamming heavy and light attacks. It's one of the reasons I re-designed my healer to be able to decently tank in fact - it has gotten so bad.

DPS shouldn't queue as tanks for faster times. It's selfish and I fully support removing those players from a group. But I don't see this as what the OP was referring to. And there is no need to start barking orders at them regardless. Because if they refuse to play their role when asked nicely - resorting to ordering them to do so I seriously doubt is going to work either.

Just remove them from the group.

Argah · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Sometimes it's ok, like earlier I was in a group normal dungeon me 200cp a guy max the other 40+ and a level 15 tank who must've been wearing light gear.

The "tank" was dropping like a fly which wouldn't happen if wearing heavy no matter the level since he scales to 160cp but the max cp dude was going nuts in the text chat, I refused to kick the guy it was an easy dungeon and we've all been carried at one point in life but yeah it did have to be said but at the the same time be a little less angry about it.

I've lost count how many groups I've been in with tanks who use lighting and flame staffs - who do not taunt - and who stand in the back spamming heavy and light attacks. It's one of the reasons I re-designed my healer to be able to decently tank in fact - it has gotten so bad.

DPS shouldn't queue as tanks for faster times. It's selfish and I fully support removing those players from a group. But I don't see this as what the OP was referring to. And there is no need to start barking orders at them regardless. Because if they refuse to play their role when asked nicely - resorting to ordering them to do so I seriously doubt is going to work either.

Just remove them from the group.

I changed to a tank straight after it LOL I'm a mag tank and a healer from one day to the next but always go in fully geared for my role.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · July 2017

There is a difference between constructive criticism and do it my way or GTFO. If you queue for a vet dungeon as a tank and dont have a sword and board, (or as a DPS with one) well someone needs to tell you how to play.

Jeremy · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Argah wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Sometimes it's ok, like earlier I was in a group normal dungeon me 200cp a guy max the other 40+ and a level 15 tank who must've been wearing light gear.

The "tank" was dropping like a fly which wouldn't happen if wearing heavy no matter the level since he scales to 160cp but the max cp dude was going nuts in the text chat, I refused to kick the guy it was an easy dungeon and we've all been carried at one point in life but yeah it did have to be said but at the the same time be a little less angry about it.

I've lost count how many groups I've been in with tanks who use lighting and flame staffs - who do not taunt - and who stand in the back spamming heavy and light attacks. It's one of the reasons I re-designed my healer to be able to decently tank in fact - it has gotten so bad.

DPS shouldn't queue as tanks for faster times. It's selfish and I fully support removing those players from a group. But I don't see this as what the OP was referring to. And there is no need to start barking orders at them regardless. Because if they refuse to play their role when asked nicely - resorting to ordering them to do so I seriously doubt is going to work either.

Just remove them from the group.

I changed to a tank straight after it LOL I'm a mag tank and a healer from one day to the next but always go in fully geared for my role.

Yeah it's a good idea to have a back up plan. I've ended up doing the same thing.

It would be nice if there was a way to prevent dps from abusing the group finder and signing up as tanks for faster queue times. But I'm not really sure how they could about doing it.

Argah · July 2017

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

There is a difference between constructive criticism and do it my way or GTFO. If you queue for a vet dungeon as a tank and dont have a sword and board, (or as a DPS with one) well someone needs to tell you how to play.

Certainly agree with the vet thing, I can't even mag tank at 200cp tried it and my health is not quite there so dont bother, can just get away with being a Templar healer so couldn't imagine anyone being able to perform one of them roles in a vet dungeon not geared correctly.

Jeremy · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

There is a difference between constructive criticism and do it my way or GTFO. If you queue for a vet dungeon as a tank and dont have a sword and board, (or as a DPS with one) well someone needs to tell you how to play.

There are many veteran dungeons you can adequately tank with an ice staff.

MythicEmperor · July 2017

No

As long as the criticism is constructive, I welcome it.

Asardes · July 2017

No

I mostly play as tank so I'm actually glad when people give me input about positioning, buffs, debuffs they want and so on. I frequently ask for such info anyway if I feel something's not right. Since this is my first MMO I had to learn everything from scratch. I constantly learn new things after almost 2 years in this game. So I'm actually glad when people give me tips about gameplay.

Argah · July 2017

Jeremy wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

There is a difference between constructive criticism and do it my way or GTFO. If you queue for a vet dungeon as a tank and dont have a sword and board, (or as a DPS with one) well someone needs to tell you how to play.

There are many veteran dungeons you can adequately tank with an ice staff.

Good to hear, I'm a Templar and when tanking use ice staff with ritual of retribution and sun shield for protection but wasn't sure if it would hold up in vets when I get more cp.

Jeremy · July 2017

Yes, I absolutely can not stand it

Asardes wrote: »

I mostly play as tank so I'm actually glad when people give me input about positioning, buffs, debuffs they want and so on. I frequently ask for such info anyway if I feel something's not right. Since this is my first MMO I had to learn everything from scratch. I constantly learn new things after almost 2 years in this game. So I'm actually glad when people give me tips about gameplay.

But giving you tips is not the same as ordering you to do something in a demanding, controlling way like they think there a dictator.

I am beginning to wonder if I'm reading the same OP as everyone else...