Stam Sorc vs All

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I'm on the fence between trying a STAMWARDEN, or a STAMSORC for PVE, help me decide which way to go.

I hate to bring this up, but from an RP perspective what is a STAMSORC? I mean we're all aware of the magic sorc archetype, but WTF is a STAMSORC from a lore type perspective?

If you read the notes from Morrowind, Sorcerers were heavy armored magicians who used summons, potions, bound weapons, and enchantments to do their fighting. They were about mixing combat skills and magical knowledge.

In this game all of the classes have magical training. They are simply different schools of magical knowledge that predate the refinements the Mages Guild later created (at least that's how ZoS has described it). Dragon Knights summon up earth and fire for their effects. Sorcerers wield lightning storm and dark/daedric effects. Templars wield aedric and restorative power. The list goes on. The point is that a Stamina Sorc is just a warrior who has some magical training. He's not your average foot soldier in other words.

Gilvoth · July 2017

There is 1 reason for "me" to not use stam sorc.
because i hate playing a sorcerer, i prefer dark elf rogue stealthy assassin type. i hate sorcerer class.

Nemesis7884 · July 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i enjoy the difference between a stam sorc which is more focused on sustained damage and a stam warden which is more focused on direct damage - and stam warden lets me try/use interesting sets and builds (currently trying out hunt leader (which procs from all animal skills/attacks) and automaton) so i like them both and their differences...

The other thing about stam sorc is that it's quite boring to play tbh since you have so many "passive" abilities

interesting... Unfortunately I'm not a VMAer, so HUNT LEADER is beyond my grasp (might as well be on the moon). Would have loved to have tried that set on a STAMBLADE using the very limited mag pool just to summon the shade.

yeah arena is annoying but you don't have to do the veteran version...you can just do the normal one as i did and get jewlery from automaton dungeon which is a lot faster/easier... The nice thing is Arena had hunt leader for my stam warden and winter born for my mag warden while darkshade cavern dungeon drops automaton for my stam warden and netches touch for my mag sorc...so a lot of carry over and little wasted effort

I only wished they would revert the passive change for stam warden which was perfect for a direct damage build (or give us something else) cause there are hardly any useful passives now, and the ones that are are in the healing tree

Nemesis7884 · July 2017

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

There is 1 reason for "me" to not use stam sorc.
because i hate playing a sorcerer, i prefer dark elf rogue stealthy assassin type. i hate sorcerer class.

I felt the same way, especially because everybody plays one...for me i think it's just coming up with the right theme/idea of a build that i like and then im all in... my stam sorc is basically a desert-dervish type of dual wield wind blade dancer...i liked the idea of that...whereas my mag sorc that im leveling now is built around the idea of Enel from One Piece

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

Playing as a stam sorc is so easy, it's almost like you're playing as a magicka character.

The_Duke · July 2017

Im on ps4 NA and I seldom see stam sorcs in pvp lately. Now mag sorcs on the other hand......

Shadzilla · July 2017

Stam warden > stam sorc. For pvp anyways.

Vapirko · July 2017

Stamina sorcerer is not really that great right now. Even Fengrush switch to stam warden lol, that should tell you something. Really Stam sorcs can't make use of a good chunk of sorc passives, they have very very few class skills that are useful and frankly they just feel a bit like wet cardboard right now. You barely see any Stam sorcs in pvp even compared to stam DKs. However, they are better at vma than Stam DK due to crit surge and hurricane. But that's about it.

Ihatenightblades · July 2017

i disagree stam sorc has weakness and thats doing the dps lol..

Every stam sorc i see ya they use dark deal to sustain but they are swinging a 2h for like their life depended on it trying to land a dizzying swing xD

Or a 1h and shield stam sorc in heavy armor that dark deals every 2 abilities and does no damage

Tremorscale is all stam sorcs have right now and once that gets nerfed stam sorcs will go back to the dumpster like they were for so long while back

Shadzilla · July 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Stamina sorcerer is not really that great right now. Even Fengrush switch to stam warden lol, that should tell you something. Really Stam sorcs can't make use of a good chunk of sorc passives, they have very very few class skills that are useful and frankly they just feel a bit like wet cardboard right now. You barely see any Stam sorcs in pvp even compared to stam DKs. However, they are better at vma than Stam DK due to crit surge and hurricane. But that's about it.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

i disagree stam sorc has weakness and thats doing the dps lol..

Every stam sorc i see ya they use dark deal to sustain but they are swinging a 2h for like their life depended on it trying to land a dizzying swing xD

Or a 1h and shield stam sorc in heavy armor that dark deals every 2 abilities and does no damage

Tremorscale is all stam sorcs have right now and once that gets nerfed stam sorcs will go back to the dumpster like they were for so long while back

Crit surge and dark deal are disgustingly overpowered in PVP. Hurricane and streak are also very good. Tremorscale was one of the only OP proc sets that was not a part of the big proc set nerf wave, which does not make any sense at all considering it was one of the most hated proc sets.

BraidasNM · July 2017

stamblade >

Bobby_V_Rockit · July 2017

I love my Stam Sorc. Its awesome.

Plus crit surge is getting a buff.

Storm Calling
Surge: This ability and its morphs now use your highest critical strike rating to determine their Critical Strike chance.

Shadzilla · July 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I love my Stam Sorc. Its awesome.

Plus crit surge is getting a buff.

Storm Calling
Surge: This ability and its morphs now use your highest critical strike rating to determine their Critical Strike chance.

Wouldn't call it a buff, it is getting fixed to working properly.

Vapirko · July 2017

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I love my Stam Sorc. Its awesome.

Plus crit surge is getting a buff.

Storm Calling
Surge: This ability and its morphs now use your highest critical strike rating to determine their Critical Strike chance.

Interesting, I missed that somehow. Still though this doesn't change much. That seems like a possible buff to mag sorcs if anything. I assume they mean out of wpn or spell crit? Doesn't seem that useful.

Vapirko · July 2017

Shadzilla wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Stamina sorcerer is not really that great right now. Even Fengrush switch to stam warden lol, that should tell you something. Really Stam sorcs can't make use of a good chunk of sorc passives, they have very very few class skills that are useful and frankly they just feel a bit like wet cardboard right now. You barely see any Stam sorcs in pvp even compared to stam DKs. However, they are better at vma than Stam DK due to crit surge and hurricane. But that's about it.

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

i disagree stam sorc has weakness and thats doing the dps lol..

Every stam sorc i see ya they use dark deal to sustain but they are swinging a 2h for like their life depended on it trying to land a dizzying swing xD

Or a 1h and shield stam sorc in heavy armor that dark deals every 2 abilities and does no damage

Tremorscale is all stam sorcs have right now and once that gets nerfed stam sorcs will go back to the dumpster like they were for so long while back

Crit surge and dark deal are disgustingly overpowered in PVP. Hurricane and streak are also very good. Tremorscale was one of the only OP proc sets that was not a part of the big proc set nerf wave, which does not make any sense at all considering it was one of the most hated proc sets.

Dark deal is fine, I wouldn't say it's at all OP. But yes Stam sorcs can be good stacking a bunch of proc sets like viper and tremosrcale but that really stuffs you into a specific build and that sucks.

Malmai · July 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Im actually trying to think of any reason not to switch to a stam sorc if i only play stam classes.

Everyone uses dawn breaker now so ulti abilities never change.

Crit damage from sneak removed, major mending removed, battle roar ruined, helping hands ruined.

I will also get the easiest stam management in the game, free crit surge heals, a broken execute passive, amazing mobility and escape, and higher base weapon damage and recovery due to class passives.

Lastly ill get a third bar for more extra such as trap beast and caltrops, even siege shield.

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

ONLY THING ZOS MATTERS FOR IS MAGICKA BUILDS MAGICKA SORCS AND SHIELD STACKING. Good luck with ur stam sorc in pvp its not good as you think... Do youself a favor and roll Mag Sorc, bcs next patch it will be even more OP than now... Its just ridiculus...

SanTii.92 · July 2017

How is this necro'ed thread still open? Was posted on April..

Lirkin · July 2017

My stamsorc is not that strong at this point. I hope it gets better as it levels and gets some of the skills you are talking about as it is now I think my Dragon Knight is better

Vapirko · July 2017

Lirkin wrote: »

My stamsorc is not that strong at this point. I hope it gets better as it levels and gets some of the skills you are talking about as it is now I think my Dragon Knight is better

Couldn't agree more. Stam sorcs were great pre Morrowind, I've been tearing my hair out since then and finally went back to my DK and all was well again. Idk what it is but Stam sorcs just don't cut it this patch.

Rahotu · July 2017

komodozermike wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

...when 60% of the player population realizes stam sorc is the way to go, it will get nerfed. Bigly.

a certain Mr Wrobel may well disagree...bigly...

Rahotu · July 2017

QuebraRegra wrote: »

I'm on the fence between trying a STAMWARDEN, or a STAMSORC for PVE, help me decide which way to go.

I hate to bring this up, but from an RP perspective what is a STAMSORC? I mean we're all aware of the magic sorc archetype, but WTF is a STAMSORC from a lore type perspective?

a stam sorc is a sorc who eats he's spinach

Bobby_V_Rockit · July 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I love my Stam Sorc. Its awesome.

Plus crit surge is getting a buff.

Storm Calling
Surge: This ability and its morphs now use your highest critical strike rating to determine their Critical Strike chance.

Interesting, I missed that somehow. Still though this doesn't change much. That seems like a possible buff to mag sorcs if anything. I assume they mean out of wpn or spell crit? Doesn't seem that useful.

I'm guessing that the heal now crits off of max stat. So when dealing a critical strike (70-80% chance for me on weapon crit), I currently only have a 25.9% chance for it to be a critical heal as it scales on spell crit chance. After HotR, it'll be a 70-80% chance for a critical heal as it will scale off weapon crit chance instead.

I'm guessing, not sure. Sounds awesome though.

Summary:
Currently, surge 3k heal procs on critical strike (weapon or spell) every second, critical heal procs off spell damage only. After update, it'll proc off highest crit chance, ie. weapon crit, meaning for me instead of getting a critical heal 25% of the time, it'll be 75% of the time.

Survivability just got awesome.

Sylosi · July 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

There is 1 reason not to use stam sorc - Stam Warden.

Not even because (from what I've been lead to believe) the warden lacks stamina morphs. There is only 1 stam class in this game that matters now and ZOS has made that very clear.

Whaaat ? Cliff racer have stam morph and skill cannot be dodged or reflected , Scorch which is something like cone version of sorc curse with stun have stam morh which also lowers enemie resists , bear ultimate have physical dmg morph , netch have stamina morph that gives major brutality and restores stamina and skill have no cost , he have 1st in the game stamina based class heal(!) , he have passives that increase stamina and magicka regen and also restores stamina and magicka when You heal You or ally with Your class heals , he have 6% more physical dmg , he have plenty of buffs which are magicka based skills but still can be used like major resists+minor protection , major savagery (10% wep crit) and heals forr each weapon attack used , major expedition (30% speed)+minor berserk(8% dmg) or minor evasion (5% dodge) , he have skill that absorbs projectiles and restore magicka for each projectile absorbed plus gives major heroism (3 ulti each second) ,the only major heroism source from skill in the game , he have class major mending passive. Man stam warden is packed up with many goodies.

Sorcerer have less stamina morphs then warden.

Have you even played it? Because for example the stamina morph of scorch does not have a stun like you claim, that is the magicka morph.

But anyway in regard to the OP, for PvP at least, stam sorc is better because the unique things that stam sorc offers like streak, dark deal, negate, implosion, hurricane, etc are simply better than what the stam warden offers.

Anunakis · July 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

There is 1 reason not to use stam sorc - Stam Warden.

stam warden is just a *** version of magicka warden

bloodthirstyvampire · July 2017

Sorc in general is an easy class

asuzab16_ESO · July 2017

My stam sorc was fun at first but it quickly got very boring. Very limited build possibilities, extremely repetitive and more than anything, I felt like I was playing the game in "very easy" mode. I was, and still am sometimes, tempted to force myself to play this class because of all the advantages it has but I get bored after a few hours rolling over content without caring about the game mechanics. It is pure power and while it can be fun, it personnaly feels like the least rewarding gameplay of all the stam classes.