Stam Sorc vs All

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

Im actually trying to think of any reason not to switch to a stam sorc if i only play stam classes.

Everyone uses dawn breaker now so ulti abilities never change.

Crit damage from sneak removed, major mending removed, battle roar ruined, helping hands ruined.

I will also get the easiest stam management in the game, free crit surge heals, a broken execute passive, amazing mobility and escape, and higher base weapon damage and recovery due to class passives.

Lastly ill get a third bar for more extra such as trap beast and caltrops, even siege shield.

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

Juhasow · April 2017

There is 1 reason not to use stam sorc - Stam Warden.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

There is 1 reason not to use stam sorc - Stam Warden.

Not even because (from what I've been lead to believe) the warden lacks stamina morphs. There is only 1 stam class in this game that matters now and ZOS has made that very clear.

komodozermike · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

...when 60% of the player population realizes stam sorc is the way to go, it will get nerfed. Bigly.

Goshua · April 2017

komodozermike wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

...when 60% of the player population realizes stam sorc is the way to go, it will get nerfed. Bigly.

good enough reason to roll one for me

DragonBound · April 2017

komodozermike wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

...when 60% of the player population realizes stam sorc is the way to go, it will get nerfed. Bigly.

There is no reason to nerf 99 percent of the stamsorc the other stam classes need buffs and if anyone actually read the testing information it states stamina is doing better except night blades.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · April 2017

Would rather ZOS un-nerf stamplar, stamblade, and stamDK, instead of ruining stamsorc. Stamsorc is finally in a good place after being useless since patch 1.6.

The other specs need to be pulled back in line. Buffs not nerfs.

mtwiggz · April 2017

DragonBound wrote: »

komodozermike wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

There is literally not one single reason not to use stam sorc over every single other stam class in the game next patch, unless someone can help me out here?

...when 60% of the player population realizes stam sorc is the way to go, it will get nerfed. Bigly.

There is no reason to nerf 99 percent of the stamsorc the other stam classes need buffs and if anyone actually read the testing information it states stamina is doing better except night blades.

... better at what? The changes this upcoming patch have nothing but nerfs for stamina based characters, aside from the caltrops change.

So based on the changes, not sure what I can state, stamina is not doing any better this patch in comparison to last patch. If anything it's worse off.

The argument could be made that stamina is better than magicka this patch, but I haven't done enough testing to confirm or deny that statement. Yet on paper, it's really no different damage wise, perhaps sustain wise, but both specs have been hit with the same nerfs.

I do however agree that classes need buffs, not nerfs, if these new changes are to stay.

Juhasow · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

There is 1 reason not to use stam sorc - Stam Warden.

Not even because (from what I've been lead to believe) the warden lacks stamina morphs. There is only 1 stam class in this game that matters now and ZOS has made that very clear.

Whaaat ? Cliff racer have stam morph and skill cannot be dodged or reflected , Scorch which is something like cone version of sorc curse with stun have stam morh which also lowers enemie resists , bear ultimate have physical dmg morph , netch have stamina morph that gives major brutality and restores stamina and skill have no cost , he have 1st in the game stamina based class heal(!) , he have passives that increase stamina and magicka regen and also restores stamina and magicka when You heal You or ally with Your class heals , he have 6% more physical dmg , he have plenty of buffs which are magicka based skills but still can be used like major resists+minor protection , major savagery (10% wep crit) and heals forr each weapon attack used , major expedition (30% speed)+minor berserk(8% dmg) or minor evasion (5% dodge) , he have skill that absorbs projectiles and restore magicka for each projectile absorbed plus gives major heroism (3 ulti each second) ,the only major heroism source from skill in the game , he have class major mending passive. Man stam warden is packed up with many goodies.

Sorcerer have less stamina morphs then warden.

Beardimus · April 2017

SS is easy ode right now and has been a while. If you want that.

Or just play the toon you enjoy, depends on your path

Agobi · April 2017

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

... Buffs not nerfs.

And while we are at it,we can ask for world peace and an end to hunger

....kidding aside,I agree...just don't think it will ever happen,since as always the massive nerfbatswing is the easy way out for devs

Ladislao · April 2017

I play stamsorc since '15. It was always strong compared to other classes. But nobody cares cause youtuber's guide is the key.

Ahzek · April 2017

The only issue with stam sorc is the easy spamability of dark deal in combat. Delaying the resource return from that skill alone should put it in line with other classes.

Tommy_The_Gun · April 2017

Juhasow wrote: »

There is 1 reason not to use stam sorc - Stam Warden.

Actually I would like to see a duel... stam sorc vs stam warden... and I would not be surprised if stam sorc would won...

Lynx7386 · April 2017

Stamsorc already had hurricane damage cut in half, stop asking for more nerfs

Izaki · April 2017

Have fun getting your Dark Deal interrupted.

GreenhaloX · April 2017

Of all the classes, Stamsorc is an enigma to me. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am enjoying my Stamsorc and have been wrecking and rolling over PvE like there is no tomorrow. Ha ha. I'm still leveling it and still in the 30 something level. The thing is I'm trying to figure out the CP composite ahead of reaching level 50 when I will automatically get the boost to max CP.

Ok, it's a sorc.. so, naturally, a sorc is majicka-based with its skillsets, abilities and attribte, and all things go towards boosting up majicka. However, with a Stamsorc, you are now including the stamina aspect of ability and skillset. For a MagSorc, it is easy, you just push all things majicka towards the attribute and Magician/Elemental Expert/spell crit and penetration, etc., because all your damage-base inducing skills and abilities are magic and spells. However, adding the stamina aspect, you also have to compensate for the damage inducing stamina-based skills and abilities as well as Warlord/Mighty/physical penetration, etc.

So, you're really not getting the most out of your CP composite, because you have to share it among majicka and stamina base. Thus, your damages or dps are not really at full par for either side. Maybe I'm wrong.. Other than that, I still like it.

Pallio · April 2017

Yeah play something that you think is less nerfed than whatever you play now.

Because you know the grass is always greener.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Stamsorc already had hurricane damage cut in half, stop asking for more nerfs

I would LOVE for you to point out where i said nerf stam sorc. The idea is to put other stam classes on par with sorc not nerf everything into the ground. Revert stam sustain class changes and only work with champion tree currently for sustain issues and then see how that works.

Currently waiting on proof for nerf stam sorc.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

I have one, it's fun. Stupid good aoe but squishy since you're always near melee range.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I have one, it's fun. Stupid good aoe but squishy since you're always near melee range.

Not in heavy armour it has roughly same resistance as the rest while also having streak. Don't get me wrong i love playing my stam sorc but i don't want the entire game being forced down one ally in order to be successful in cyrodil.

Now before anyone twists my words once more, talent and player skill will always over ride any type of class imbalance, but for the lower percent of players who don't dominant cyrodil already these class changes will hurt their current class.

Balance and variability is way more fun, and before someone also says you can have the play style however you like, which is true; but not entirely. Sure i can play how i want and be at a massive disadvantage, but who has fun doing that?

Bobby_V_Rockit · April 2017

I was a stamsorc before it was cool...

Izaki · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I have one, it's fun. Stupid good aoe but squishy since you're always near melee range.

Not in heavy armour it has roughly same resistance as the rest while also having streak. Don't get me wrong i love playing my stam sorc but i don't want the entire game being forced down one ally in order to be successful in cyrodil.

Now before anyone twists my words once more, talent and player skill will always over ride any type of class imbalance, but for the lower percent of players who don't dominant cyrodil already these class changes will hurt their current class.

Balance and variability is way more fun, and before someone also says you can have the play style however you like, which is true; but not entirely. Sure i can play how i want and be at a massive disadvantage, but who has fun doing that?

Most of the PvP I've been doing lately is in IC (cause 7k spell and weapon power pots is NOT enough) and I can tell you that between a stam sorc in heavy Imperial Physique and a mag sorc in heavy Imperial Physique there's a world of difference. 52k magicka, 2k recovery, using the max magicka + regen drink, while still having 27k health, OP resistances and stupid strong shields... You're literally untouchable. Stam Sorc? The reliance on Dark Deal just accentuates itself, having 45k stamina, doesn't stop you from Dark Dealing every few seconds. With the Constitution nerf, the cost reduction nerf, as soon as you do a Crit Rush and a Dizzy Swing you're gonna have to Dark Deal. Your magicka sustain will be 50% worse and you are going to have to make some serious choices between Streak and Dark Deal.
Obviously this ain't the best comparison... But its still some food for thought. I've also done magicka nightblade, stam DK and stam Temp in the same heavy IP setup. All of them were more effective than the stam sorc in both aspects of IC, the boss burns and the small scale PvP or both of those together. A stam sorc relies too much on Dark Deal and it really becomes apparent when comparing all these setups on a similar level (aka insanely high stats). Obviously, in open world PvP its different because you can't build the same way, but there's plenty of LOS in IC for Dark Deal and I found that I had to do it far to often, to the point where it became more like a chore. LOSing to survive and split up groups is interesting, LOSing to restore resources is just lame.

WalksonGraves · April 2017

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I have one, it's fun. Stupid good aoe but squishy since you're always near melee range.

Not in heavy armour it has roughly same resistance as the rest while also having streak. Don't get me wrong i love playing my stam sorc but i don't want the entire game being forced down one ally in order to be successful in cyrodil.

Now before anyone twists my words once more, talent and player skill will always over ride any type of class imbalance, but for the lower percent of players who don't dominant cyrodil already these class changes will hurt their current class.

Balance and variability is way more fun, and before someone also says you can have the play style however you like, which is true; but not entirely. Sure i can play how i want and be at a massive disadvantage, but who has fun doing that?

hmm might have to try that with 7th legion. Always stuck to medium armor, red mountain/viper just churns out the dps. Not as great since the removal of proc crits but still solid numbers.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2017

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

WalksonGraves wrote: »

I have one, it's fun. Stupid good aoe but squishy since you're always near melee range.

Not in heavy armour it has roughly same resistance as the rest while also having streak. Don't get me wrong i love playing my stam sorc but i don't want the entire game being forced down one ally in order to be successful in cyrodil.

Now before anyone twists my words once more, talent and player skill will always over ride any type of class imbalance, but for the lower percent of players who don't dominant cyrodil already these class changes will hurt their current class.

Balance and variability is way more fun, and before someone also says you can have the play style however you like, which is true; but not entirely. Sure i can play how i want and be at a massive disadvantage, but who has fun doing that?

Most of the PvP I've been doing lately is in IC (cause 7k spell and weapon power pots is NOT enough) and I can tell you that between a stam sorc in heavy Imperial Physique and a mag sorc in heavy Imperial Physique there's a world of difference. 52k magicka, 2k recovery, using the max magicka + regen drink, while still having 27k health, OP resistances and stupid strong shields... You're literally untouchable. Stam Sorc? The reliance on Dark Deal just accentuates itself, having 45k stamina, doesn't stop you from Dark Dealing every few seconds. With the Constitution nerf, the cost reduction nerf, as soon as you do a Crit Rush and a Dizzy Swing you're gonna have to Dark Deal. Your magicka sustain will be 50% worse and you are going to have to make some serious choices between Streak and Dark Deal.
Obviously this ain't the best comparison... But its still some food for thought. I've also done magicka nightblade, stam DK and stam Temp in the same heavy IP setup. All of them were more effective than the stam sorc in both aspects of IC, the boss burns and the small scale PvP or both of those together. A stam sorc relies too much on Dark Deal and it really becomes apparent when comparing all these setups on a similar level (aka insanely high stats). Obviously, in open world PvP its different because you can't build the same way, but there's plenty of LOS in IC for Dark Deal and I found that I had to do it far to often, to the point where it became more like a chore. LOSing to survive and split up groups is interesting, LOSing to restore resources is just lame.

Never played in IC so ill have to say i can't really argue the gameplay vs. open world. Even in open world i have no problem casting several streaks and dark deals back to back and i haven't even spec'd for one thing magicka. IC may be different in smaller playing fields but at least a sorc does have the ability to leave to regain resources and then continue the fight on his/her terms, rather than the DK who literally has to fight to the death now with little to no in class resource management.

NyassaV · July 2017

Stam sorc is super weak... It is only strong becuase weapon abilties are strong

Thogard · July 2017

stamsorcs lack group utility.

stam wardens bring that healing ult to the group
stam DKs bring CC to the group
stam templars bring purify to the group

stam sorcs bring nothing to the group..

but if you dont care about group synergies, then yeah, stam sorc is pretty OP.

QuebraRegra · July 2017

I'm on the fence between trying a STAMWARDEN, or a STAMSORC for PVE, help me decide which way to go.

I hate to bring this up, but from an RP perspective what is a STAMSORC? I mean we're all aware of the magic sorc archetype, but WTF is a STAMSORC from a lore type perspective?

Nemesis7884 · July 2017

i enjoy the difference between a stam sorc which is more focused on sustained damage and a stam warden which is more focused on direct damage - and stam warden lets me try/use interesting sets and builds (currently trying out hunt leader (which procs from all animal skills/attacks) and automaton) so i like them both and their differences...

The other thing about stam sorc is that it's quite boring to play tbh since you have so many "passive" abilities

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Of all the classes, Stamsorc is an enigma to me. Oh, don't get me wrong, I am enjoying my Stamsorc and have been wrecking and rolling over PvE like there is no tomorrow. Ha ha. I'm still leveling it and still in the 30 something level. The thing is I'm trying to figure out the CP composite ahead of reaching level 50 when I will automatically get the boost to max CP.

Ok, it's a sorc.. so, naturally, a sorc is majicka-based with its skillsets, abilities and attribte, and all things go towards boosting up majicka. However, with a Stamsorc, you are now including the stamina aspect of ability and skillset. For a MagSorc, it is easy, you just push all things majicka towards the attribute and Magician/Elemental Expert/spell crit and penetration, etc., because all your damage-base inducing skills and abilities are magic and spells. However, adding the stamina aspect, you also have to compensate for the damage inducing stamina-based skills and abilities as well as Warlord/Mighty/physical penetration, etc.

So, you're really not getting the most out of your CP composite, because you have to share it among majicka and stamina base. Thus, your damages or dps are not really at full par for either side. Maybe I'm wrong.. Other than that, I still like it.

@GreenhaloX you are wrong in your understanding. Just because the class is called 'Sorcerer' doesn't mean you should assume it is magic or stamina based. All of the class based skills lean more toward magic. This is true of every class in this game, not just Sorcerer. If you want to play a Stamina Sorcerer you want to build for weapon damage, your mitigation, etc. Hurricane does physical damage. Bound Armaments just bolsters your combat stats. Crit surge uses magic but its effects are static and will benefit from you getting more crits. The Stamina Sorc doesn't use things like Fury, Frags, etc. That's the big difference in your understanding of the class. Magic on the Stamina Sorc is only there to fuel buffs like Crit Surge. Overload is nice as long as you don't have an eclipse on you. Build more around your class passives, Hurricane, and weapon skills and you'll do fine.

QuebraRegra · July 2017

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

i enjoy the difference between a stam sorc which is more focused on sustained damage and a stam warden which is more focused on direct damage - and stam warden lets me try/use interesting sets and builds (currently trying out hunt leader (which procs from all animal skills/attacks) and automaton) so i like them both and their differences...

The other thing about stam sorc is that it's quite boring to play tbh since you have so many "passive" abilities

interesting... Unfortunately I'm not a VMAer, so HUNT LEADER is beyond my grasp (might as well be on the moon). Would have loved to have tried that set on a STAMBLADE using the very limited mag pool just to summon the shade.