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Miat Addon

  • Nivellan
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    The main problem with Miat's is that it has created a play style that totally dependent on something that's not intended.

    The counter argument is going to be "if it's in the API it's intended", but that's just excuses for wanting to keep it. Plenty of things in game were included for one reason or another, but ended up being abused and eventually eliminated in some way.

    The host of "empowered by miat's" players has grown and grown. The worst of them are the "gankprocblade" types that sit in stealth using miat's for nearly everything and procs for everything else. Their entire playstyle is watching miat's and reacting to attacks it tells them are coming and then "countering" with 2 proc sets attached to a critical charge and incap strike.. then they go back to watching miat's waiting on the proc cooldowns as they dodge roll and cloak. Rinse repeat.... it's a pretty bad play style and it's total cancer as it spreads.

    The amount of players relying on Miat's for everything has grown... it's roughly half of players you see. Some groups it's rare to see more than a few "empowered by an addon" players and with some groups it's rare to see a single non-Miat's abuser in them.

    If you question how it's created a play style that bad for the game... let's just say it's empowered a reckless aggressive play style that now has much less risk attached to it's aggression. If your entire play style is critical charge->execute->dodge roll->goto1 and you run multiple proc sets... well, you don't have to do very much to achieve in the game. The worst part is the abusers talk as if it takes skill to do it. The risk to overextending and over aggression has always been dying quickly and badly... but now, they have warnings alerting them to everything.

    What makes it even worse is those that play with more dubious "addons" on top of it. Take a high damage and little sustain build and add sustain and ridiculous passive dodge chance (with a little damage added on the top, just for laughs) and combine it with warnings for attacks and you get people posting videos on youtube about how awesome they are. Fact is... you just can't hit them enough times to threaten them through a vigor animation cancelled by a dodge roll or two.

    The biggest counter argument a miat's abuser will make is that is makes ganks more likely as miat's is their only defense. It's your only defense because you choose to run a build and gear setup that doesn't counter ganks and ranged barrages in any way past being magically alerted of their impending arrival. Much of the complaints about ttk and what not is totally skewed by players that can run max damage builds without much fear of being gibbed.

    Miat's has affected the entire pvp dynamic in a very bad way and the api needs to be changed.

    "I don't like it" is just an excuse for not wanting it in the game? I like how it's still an issue when it's already been posted in this thread it does nothing outlandish anymore, and the main complaint about it is that it does something many, many addons were doing for a long time before (which no one complained about).
    Hurika wrote: »
    This addon removes the need for a player to have good situational awareness. If you turn your back to a sorc to sprint away, should you know a projectile is incoming? You made a choice to turn your back to them.

    No one is sprinting away from just a sorc. If I'm sprinting away from you and dodging your frags it's because you're trying to Xv1 me. You don't have to get so triggered when someone gets away from your 5v1 attempt and go into some rage induced blood craze smashing holes in your walls while you furiously type away on the forums about how that player shouldn't be allowed to not get 5v1'd.
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  • enzoisadog
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    No Enzo with his cannoli or Execution Boy lending a hand. No Greek yogurt for me.
    What does that even mean?

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  • BraidasNM
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    CyrusArya wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    Trashblades being upset they can´t 1shotstealtharcher their way to victory like they do in skyrim.

    It´s an mmo. You´re not killing npcs.
    Every action should allow for active counterplay.
    Instantkills from invisibility in whatever form they´re achieved are trash gameplay.

    If you want trash gameplay play a singleplayer game.

    Wether or not ganking is acceptable or not is not your call or Miat's call, that's the game designer's call. I'm not a fan of vigilante justice, let alone from a Russian in Trump's America

    And regardless how you feel about stealth play (I am not a fan), an add on that tells you when to dodge to avoid incoming projectiles is bad for the game. It's one step away from a macro playing the game for you.

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  • Publius_Scipio
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    pead wrote: »
    No Enzo with his cannoli or Execution Boy lending a hand. No Greek yogurt for me.
    What does that even mean?

    isgro-award-winning-cannoli.jpg
  • Maikon
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    Everyone cries about miat's, yet there are several other add-ons that make it look like a useless joke. Those are what should really be found and banned.
  • Publius_Scipio
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    Maikon wrote: »
    Everyone cries about miat's, yet there are several other add-ons that make it look like a useless joke. Those are what should really be found and banned.

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    https://youtu.be/UmJp6jDL0Js
  • zyk
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    Maikon wrote: »
    Everyone cries about miat's, yet there are several other add-ons that make it look like a useless joke. Those are what should really be found and banned.

    Enlighten us?
  • Juhasow
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    Derra wrote: »
    Trashblades being upset they can´t 1shotstealtharcher their way to victory like they do in skyrim.

    It´s an mmo. You´re not killing npcs.
    Every action should allow for active counterplay.
    Instantkills from invisibility in whatever form they´re achieved are trash gameplay.

    If you want trash gameplay play a singleplayer game.

    Well it would be reasonable if there wold be some limitations on it but when someone can recloak right after one shotting enemie that's stupid.
  • enzoisadog
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    pead wrote: »
    No Enzo with his cannoli or Execution Boy lending a hand. No Greek yogurt for me.
    What does that even mean?

    isgro-award-winning-cannoli.jpg

    interesting...also miat is not running full meta
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  • WhiteMage
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    zyk wrote: »
    Maikon wrote: »
    Everyone cries about miat's, yet there are several other add-ons that make it look like a useless joke. Those are what should really be found and banned.

    Enlighten us?

    Did you know that there is a website that details the exploitable/potentially irl money-making glitches in ESO? One doesn't simply post a link to this site (or others like it) or reveal a "cheat" on the forums.

    Heh, remember that vMoL skip bug? Someone here on the ESO forum posted about knowing of it but wouldn't share how to do it to keep it from spreading, but on said site posted a video walkthrough of them doing it, under the same username.

    Anyway, for obvious reasons, people don't reveal how to access the illicit in public. Unless, of course, their father holds public office.
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    @Dorrino Can you make a add on that tells me when someone is in my house ? I want to catch whoever is extinguishing the Night Mothers candles .

    Edited for correct forum handle
    Edited by Rohamad_Ali on July 18, 2017 8:45PM
  • Ghostbane
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    Its not cheating, its not the Illuminati, all the information of whats capable is open-source,

    http://wiki.esoui.com/API

    By the way, can ZoS spend a little time making or contributing a little harder to that resource? Good grief, trying to scrap information together from that Wiki to make a mundane addon is torture enough. But something as complicated as Miats?

    More power to the lad.
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  • Minno
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    Ghostbane wrote: »
    Its not cheating, its not the Illuminati, all the information of whats capable is open-source,

    http://wiki.esoui.com/API

    By the way, can ZoS spend a little time making or contributing a little harder to that resource? Good grief, trying to scrap information together from that Wiki to make a mundane addon is torture enough. But something as complicated as Miats?

    More power to the lad.

    Kind of a Snow Crash situation really:

    ""Did you win your sword fight?"
    "Of course I won the *** sword fight," Hiro says. "I'm the greatest sword fighter in the world."
    "And you wrote the software."
    "Yeah. That, too," Hiro says.

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  • Dorrino
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    @Publius_Scipio

    I love you for creating this comics-like hero vs villain setting with some backstory, characters' hidden motives and other fluff.

    This is awesome. Thank you for being you <3

    @Drummerx04
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    He was referencing the sheer ego in rolling a glass cannon dodge stam build,

    This part (and consequently the following ruminations) is completely false:)

    I run the tankiest version of a medium armor stamblade that can be there, while still having any damage.

    6-7 impen. Dark cloak for minor protection buff. Eternal hunt and troll king for survival. 5/1/1 and one prismatic glyph for more hp.

    The whole point of our half a year's old discussion about gankers was, that no matter how tanky you could get in medium you still were getting oneshot from stealth.

    You missed the point then, you still miss it now.

    Unfortunately, mag sorc perspective biases your judgement quite hard.
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    decided to create an addon to counter stealth attacks rather than making a sacrifice like putting radiant magelight on your bar.

    As it has been shown to you and other people multiple times before radiant magelight is not a solution even to oneshot ganking problem. And it makes your build even worse in other circumstances.
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    When asked about his motives and reasoning he takes up the position that stealth is unfair

    Stealth is unfair:) But it doesn't mean stealth cannot exist in this game. Cyro has to be unfair to be fun.

    The idea was and is, there has to be a viable strategy against anything in the game. This is arguable, but that's what i like to have.

    Yet again, from a mag sorc's perspective this is all irrelevant since mag sorcs are equally effective in defense against all threats in cyrodiil.

    Your stance is to zerg v 1 me, press wards to survive and be bold enough to share your hypocritical view about the subject you don't understand deep enough on the forums:)
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    When I discussed this with him, he told me something to the effect of, "I shouldn't have to put a skill on my bar just to counter stealth." Of course drawing the parallel of requiring me to put a skill on my bar to counter dodge roll is lost on him.

    This part is easy. I slot shieldbreaker with oblivion damage glyphs on infused weapons. Adapt. Then tell me about changing your build to counters a simple attack:)
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    And the addon itself is pretty much bull. The fact that someone can be sitting on siege in the back of a siege line, looking at the keep and get a notification well in advance that someone offscreen it attacking them is really just not okay.

    This is as much ok as attacking somebody from behind who 'is sitting on siege in the back of a siege line' and expect an easy kill solely because you performed a complex maneuver of, well, 'coming up from behind':)
    Drummerx04 wrote: »
    Out of the current capabilities of the addon after the API change, this one is the one I have a problem with.

    I firmly believe that if you have problems killing a guy that 'is sitting on siege in the back of a siege line' then you got outplayed by the said guy and you should reevaluate your gearing/speccing/playstyle decisions. Maybe slot a magelight? Who knows, right?:)
    Nivellan wrote: »
    If someone should have to slot an ability on their bar to counter stealth, then you should have to slot the ability to enter stealth on your bar.

    Exactly:)

    The ease of defense has to be at least comparable to the ease of offense.
    Nivellan wrote: »
    It's an unfortunate side effect that it harms sorcs a lot, but honestly I don't see sorcs having a hard time at all in this game. You play a class with overwhelming mechanics. Using it to counter stealthers and the horde of Xv1ers spamming javelin and flame reach is the best thing anyone could do for this game.

    Nothing to add here:)
    @Dorrino Can you make a add on that tells me when someone is in my house ? I want to catch whoever is extinguishing the Night Mothers candles .

    Edited for correct forum handle

    @Rohamad_Ali

    Not sure. Need to research that.

    I heard that wasn't possible, but i might be wrong.
    Edited by Dorrino on July 18, 2017 8:53PM
  • SodanTok
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    Half the 'skilled' 1vXers and small groups on EU are using it. Probably even have some explanation like Derra here for why it is their right to gain such advantage. If you see solo magsorc taunting around zerg highways, you are almost guaranteed he is using it. Stam for CC break and dodgerolls is precious resource, gotta max it most effectively amirite

    Remove it and many of them would probably be unable to play anymore. That would be very bad for population! /s
    Edited by SodanTok on July 18, 2017 8:58PM
  • EventHorizon112
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    Hurika wrote: »
    This addon removes the need for a player to have good situational awareness. If you turn your back to a sorc to sprint away, should you know a projectile is incoming? You made a choice to turn your back to them.

    This is my biggest issue. I shouldn't lose substantial burst to an add-on.

    How about we speed up the drags projectile then?

    buff sorc pls they're too weak /s
  • rfennell_ESO
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    Nivellan wrote: »
    The main problem with Miat's is that it has created a play style that totally dependent on something that's not intended.

    The counter argument is going to be "if it's in the API it's intended", but that's just excuses for wanting to keep it. Plenty of things in game were included for one reason or another, but ended up being abused and eventually eliminated in some way.

    The host of "empowered by miat's" players has grown and grown. The worst of them are the "gankprocblade" types that sit in stealth using miat's for nearly everything and procs for everything else. Their entire playstyle is watching miat's and reacting to attacks it tells them are coming and then "countering" with 2 proc sets attached to a critical charge and incap strike.. then they go back to watching miat's waiting on the proc cooldowns as they dodge roll and cloak. Rinse repeat.... it's a pretty bad play style and it's total cancer as it spreads.

    The amount of players relying on Miat's for everything has grown... it's roughly half of players you see. Some groups it's rare to see more than a few "empowered by an addon" players and with some groups it's rare to see a single non-Miat's abuser in them.

    If you question how it's created a play style that bad for the game... let's just say it's empowered a reckless aggressive play style that now has much less risk attached to it's aggression. If your entire play style is critical charge->execute->dodge roll->goto1 and you run multiple proc sets... well, you don't have to do very much to achieve in the game. The worst part is the abusers talk as if it takes skill to do it. The risk to overextending and over aggression has always been dying quickly and badly... but now, they have warnings alerting them to everything.

    What makes it even worse is those that play with more dubious "addons" on top of it. Take a high damage and little sustain build and add sustain and ridiculous passive dodge chance (with a little damage added on the top, just for laughs) and combine it with warnings for attacks and you get people posting videos on youtube about how awesome they are. Fact is... you just can't hit them enough times to threaten them through a vigor animation cancelled by a dodge roll or two.

    The biggest counter argument a miat's abuser will make is that is makes ganks more likely as miat's is their only defense. It's your only defense because you choose to run a build and gear setup that doesn't counter ganks and ranged barrages in any way past being magically alerted of their impending arrival. Much of the complaints about ttk and what not is totally skewed by players that can run max damage builds without much fear of being gibbed.

    Miat's has affected the entire pvp dynamic in a very bad way and the api needs to be changed.

    "I don't like it" is just an excuse for not wanting it in the game? I like how it's still an issue when it's already been posted in this thread it does nothing outlandish anymore, and the main complaint about it is that it does something many, many addons were doing for a long time before (which no one complained about).

    I don't like it is as viable as I like it.

    I use the addon, as an overall I think miat's is an excellent addon (the 3d icons for keeps, bridges etc are excellent) and I think Dorrino has done a great job on it.

    I just don't think a function in the api that tells people when they are being cast on with crystal frags is something the api should provide. Again... you can chalk it up to "I don't like it", but it's really information that shouldn't be broadcast to other players unless they are watching for it.

    That does bring up the entire ganked from stealth issue.... I would rather stealth be broken whenever you start an attack if that's what's being rallied against.

    It's actually pretty amazing that ZOS has allowed for this nonsense for so long...

    Edited by rfennell_ESO on July 18, 2017 9:57PM
  • zyk
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    WhiteMage wrote: »
    zyk wrote: »
    Maikon wrote: »
    Everyone cries about miat's, yet there are several other add-ons that make it look like a useless joke. Those are what should really be found and banned.

    Enlighten us?

    Did you know that there is a website that details the exploitable/potentially irl money-making glitches in ESO? One doesn't simply post a link to this site (or others like it) or reveal a "cheat" on the forums.

    Heh, remember that vMoL skip bug? Someone here on the ESO forum posted about knowing of it but wouldn't share how to do it to keep it from spreading, but on said site posted a video walkthrough of them doing it, under the same username.

    Anyway, for obvious reasons, people don't reveal how to access the illicit in public. Unless, of course, their father holds public office.

    Describing what is already happening is different than describing how. It's been said that there are private addons worse than Miat's. What advantages do they give to the players who use them?
  • Glory
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    Like the addon or not, props to Miat for sharing his addon with the entire PC community.

    Anyone with access to the same API could create the same addon. Rather than keep it to himself (and others), he shared it so that ZOS either has to accept that there is this sort of API ability in game or make changes. I'd rather have someone sharing this addon so that all have access to its potential than a small niche of players having it (and I say that not having used it).
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  • Maikon
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    zyk wrote: »
    WhiteMage wrote: »
    zyk wrote: »
    Maikon wrote: »
    Everyone cries about miat's, yet there are several other add-ons that make it look like a useless joke. Those are what should really be found and banned.

    Enlighten us?

    Did you know that there is a website that details the exploitable/potentially irl money-making glitches in ESO? One doesn't simply post a link to this site (or others like it) or reveal a "cheat" on the forums.

    Heh, remember that vMoL skip bug? Someone here on the ESO forum posted about knowing of it but wouldn't share how to do it to keep it from spreading, but on said site posted a video walkthrough of them doing it, under the same username.

    Anyway, for obvious reasons, people don't reveal how to access the illicit in public. Unless, of course, their father holds public office.

    Describing what is already happening is different than describing how. It's been said that there are private addons worse than Miat's. What advantages do they give to the players who use them?

    .
    Edited by Maikon on July 18, 2017 11:04PM
  • Lore_lai
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    Ghostbane wrote: »
    Its not cheating, its not the Illuminati
    @ Ghost-Sh err... @Ghostbane
    But is it.....
    IlluMIATi?? :o
    (okay, that was bad)
  • Yasha
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    I use the addon, as an overall I think miat's is an excellent addon (the 3d icons for keeps, bridges etc are excellent) and I think Dorrino has done a great job on it.

    I just don't think a function in the api that tells people when they are being cast on with crystal frags is something the api should provide. Again... you can chalk it up to "I don't like it", but it's really information that shouldn't be broadcast to other players unless they are watching for it.

    It's actually pretty amazing that ZOS has allowed for this nonsense for so long...

    Totally agree. The 3d icons are fantastic, but the notifications on incoming cc- especially any longer cast time spells - are ridiculous.
  • Malic
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    Here is the thing about Miat, he's not doing anything ZOS isnt allowing him to do. They have to be aware of his shenanigans and have done the minimal amount to affect the integrity of the PVP because of him. He isnt the only player, we used to have people blatantly exploiting all the time (remember the clown that was in perm mist form?) we've had popular streamers use other accounts on and on.

    The remedy for this guy is simple, players have to zerg him. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over until he hates coming out and quits. Zos isnt going to do it, the problem is which one of you slap happy slappers is going to be able to corral and organize the filthy stinking casuals into doing this?

    The answer is none, nada, youre not going to do a dam thing about it but whine on the forums until someone fixes a problem youre to lazy to fix yourself.

  • rfennell_ESO
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    Yasha wrote: »

    I use the addon, as an overall I think miat's is an excellent addon (the 3d icons for keeps, bridges etc are excellent) and I think Dorrino has done a great job on it.

    I just don't think a function in the api that tells people when they are being cast on with crystal frags is something the api should provide. Again... you can chalk it up to "I don't like it", but it's really information that shouldn't be broadcast to other players unless they are watching for it.

    It's actually pretty amazing that ZOS has allowed for this nonsense for so long...

    Totally agree. The 3d icons are fantastic, but the notifications on incoming cc- especially any longer cast time spells - are ridiculous.

    It's what I take issue with.

    That and the "I don't use miat's" people that obviously do and claim their supernatural (or maybe merely preternatural) ability to be dodging as you attack them is what annoys me even more.
  • Ghostbane
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    Lore_lai wrote: »
    Ghostbane wrote: »
    Its not cheating, its not the Illuminati
    @ Ghost-Sh err... @Ghostbane
    But is it.....
    IlluMIATi?? :o
    (okay, that was bad)

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  • Dorrino
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    Malic wrote: »
    The remedy for this guy is simple, players have to zerg him. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over until he hates coming out and quits. Zos isnt going to do it, the problem is which one of you slap happy slappers is going to be able to corral and organize the filthy stinking casuals into doing this?

    Why would you want Miat to quit the game, though?:)

    Especially using such an counterproductive way of doing so?

    He enjoys playing against many people, so you make the game even more fun for him:)
  • WhiteMage
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    Know what would be funny? If Miat put something in his addon that counted the number of times you used his services (times you dodged an attack because of the addon's notification) and either sent that to an online "leaderboard" of sorts, or charged you gold for it at the end of the month lol.
    The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?
  • enzoisadog
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    WhiteMage wrote: »
    Know what would be funny? If Miat put something in his addon that counted the number of times you used his services (times you dodged an attack because of the addon's notification) and either sent that to an online "leaderboard" of sorts, or charged you gold for it at the end of the month lol.

    Most of the people complaining about his addon are using it right now.
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  • dantator
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    Nivellan wrote: »
    The main problem with Miat's is that it has created a play style that totally dependent on something that's not intended.

    The counter argument is going to be "if it's in the API it's intended", but that's just excuses for wanting to keep it. Plenty of things in game were included for one reason or another, but ended up being abused and eventually eliminated in some way.

    The host of "empowered by miat's" players has grown and grown. The worst of them are the "gankprocblade" types that sit in stealth using miat's for nearly everything and procs for everything else. Their entire playstyle is watching miat's and reacting to attacks it tells them are coming and then "countering" with 2 proc sets attached to a critical charge and incap strike.. then they go back to watching miat's waiting on the proc cooldowns as they dodge roll and cloak. Rinse repeat.... it's a pretty bad play style and it's total cancer as it spreads.

    The amount of players relying on Miat's for everything has grown... it's roughly half of players you see. Some groups it's rare to see more than a few "empowered by an addon" players and with some groups it's rare to see a single non-Miat's abuser in them.

    If you question how it's created a play style that bad for the game... let's just say it's empowered a reckless aggressive play style that now has much less risk attached to it's aggression. If your entire play style is critical charge->execute->dodge roll->goto1 and you run multiple proc sets... well, you don't have to do very much to achieve in the game. The worst part is the abusers talk as if it takes skill to do it. The risk to overextending and over aggression has always been dying quickly and badly... but now, they have warnings alerting them to everything.

    What makes it even worse is those that play with more dubious "addons" on top of it. Take a high damage and little sustain build and add sustain and ridiculous passive dodge chance (with a little damage added on the top, just for laughs) and combine it with warnings for attacks and you get people posting videos on youtube about how awesome they are. Fact is... you just can't hit them enough times to threaten them through a vigor animation cancelled by a dodge roll or two.

    The biggest counter argument a miat's abuser will make is that is makes ganks more likely as miat's is their only defense. It's your only defense because you choose to run a build and gear setup that doesn't counter ganks and ranged barrages in any way past being magically alerted of their impending arrival. Much of the complaints about ttk and what not is totally skewed by players that can run max damage builds without much fear of being gibbed.

    Miat's has affected the entire pvp dynamic in a very bad way and the api needs to be changed.

    "I don't like it" is just an excuse for not wanting it in the game? I like how it's still an issue when it's already been posted in this thread it does nothing outlandish anymore, and the main complaint about it is that it does something many, many addons were doing for a long time before (which no one complained about).
    Hurika wrote: »
    This addon removes the need for a player to have good situational awareness. If you turn your back to a sorc to sprint away, should you know a projectile is incoming? You made a choice to turn your back to them.

    No one is sprinting away from just a sorc. If I'm sprinting away from you and dodging your frags it's because you're trying to Xv1 me. You don't have to get so triggered when someone gets away from your 5v1 attempt and go into some rage induced blood craze smashing holes in your walls while you furiously type away on the forums about how that player shouldn't be allowed to not get 5v1'd.
    pead wrote: »
    WhiteMage wrote: »
    Know what would be funny? If Miat put something in his addon that counted the number of times you used his services (times you dodged an attack because of the addon's notification) and either sent that to an online "leaderboard" of sorts, or charged you gold for it at the end of the month lol.

    Most of the people complaining about his addon are using it right now.

    I don't
    +Divine Force+

    +Divines+
  • Malic
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    Dorrino wrote: »
    Malic wrote: »
    The remedy for this guy is simple, players have to zerg him. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over until he hates coming out and quits. Zos isnt going to do it, the problem is which one of you slap happy slappers is going to be able to corral and organize the filthy stinking casuals into doing this?

    Why would you want Miat to quit the game, though?:)

    Especially using such an counterproductive way of doing so?

    He enjoys playing against many people, so you make the game even more fun for him:)

    Oh I dont want him to quit the game at all, on the contrary I need him. Fame ***'s attract attention, thats a positive.

    However if people wanted him gone I've given them the means to do it. They wont of course, there is a whole sub game and Im guessing a hidden achievement for forum crying.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xRrUVVKigk
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