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✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »oh an auction house! what an original idea we have not seen on these forums about 10,000 times already
And its working alot better than this system ever did, ironic isn't it?
It's not only not ironic, it's also not true.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche1 -
FelixTheCatt✭✭✭Yeah the ability to check prices at any AH from another in any city or faction sure would suck.
Not having to pay ridiculous guild dues for a guild I don't want to be in would be worth the trade off. Also your figures or what you want to call math is flawed beyond belief. I'm not even going to attempt to point out how many ways.Xbox - Kuchini07
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✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »oh an auction house! what an original idea we have not seen on these forums about 10,000 times already
And its working alot better than this system ever did, ironic isn't it?
It's not only not ironic, it's also not true.
It's true, or it wouldn't have lasted in WoW for 13 years, or any other game for that matter.1 -
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✭✭✭If you really want to play WoW, EVE or whatever game's trading system you prefer... pretty sure you can go do that without whining to the rest of us.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭thisisScoMan wrote: »Please no auction house.
After needing a recipe for a writ last night and checking all the "main vendors" who were selling said recipe for $120k+, I was very happy to go out of my way a bit and find it for $18k.
This would not happen with an auction house. I would be stuck with $120k+.
No, you wouldn't. People price things to sell ALL THE TIME.
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✭✭✭✭✭All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.
To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.
ZOS says that an auction house would lead to massive deflation because the game is on a mega server.
You say that an auction house would lead to massive inflation ...
It would really help us to understand the argument against an auction house if you guys could at least agree on what kind of economic armageddon were to supposedly befall us if one was added, instead of offering us polar opposites. Especially since so many other games have one and the economy still works just fine.Edited by Jeremy on July 17, 2017 8:17PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FelixTheCatt wrote: »Noone is listening. I promise.
If there was an auction house , those in the biggest trading guilds couldn't control the game's economy. That's why there is resistance to it , period.
Just get used to being price gauged with inflated prices and ridiculous "guild dues". Besides gotta remember the old shadow guild bidding scams that are rampant on Ps4 NA which everyone knows about which gets ignored.
They don't control the economy now. Really grabbing at straws for that comment.
In the end, the false comment doesn't matter as we will not be getting an AH no matter how many of these threads are created because the curent system has proven successful in creating a vibrant and robust trading system.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »FelixTheCatt wrote: »Noone is listening. I promise.
If there was an auction house , those in the biggest trading guilds couldn't control the game's economy. That's why there is resistance to it , period.
Just get used to being price gauged with inflated prices and ridiculous "guild dues". Besides gotta remember the old shadow guild bidding scams that are rampant on Ps4 NA which everyone knows about which gets ignored.
They don't control the economy now. Really grabbing at straws for that comment.
In the end, the false comment doesn't matter as we will not be getting an AH no matter how many of these threads are created because the curent system has proven successful in creating a vibrant and robust trading system.
It is so vibrant and robust that I quit giving a _____ about selling my stuff on this game awhile ago.
The NPC vendors must really like me as they get all kinds of good deals.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »oh an auction house! what an original idea we have not seen on these forums about 10,000 times already
And its working alot better than this system ever did, ironic isn't it?
It's not only not ironic, it's also not true.
It's true, or it wouldn't have lasted in WoW for 13 years, or any other game for that matter.
This comment does not demonstrate any truth about WoW. The AH lasted in WoW merely because that's the system they chose and it worked.
Zos chose guild based trading and it works which is why it's been here for 3 plus years and will still be here for a very long time. The proof is in the millions of gold that change hands each week through a the trading guilds.3 -
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✭rudimentxb14_ESO wrote: »No. I like it the way it is. It's more immersive the way we have it.
y'know the pitiful excuses are getting thin when we get "because MERSION"
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Dracofyre✭✭✭✭there one guild holding in ebonheart, that sells nothing, that guild went away as other guild made a bid, they seem didnt last very long when that guild came back and still sell nothing, what up with that guild, (wont name it), Ggggrrr, what a waste of time trying to find something and why spend so much to outbid any other guilds who want to sell items.0
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FelixTheCatt✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »oh an auction house! what an original idea we have not seen on these forums about 10,000 times already
And its working alot better than this system ever did, ironic isn't it?
It's not only not ironic, it's also not true.
It's true, or it wouldn't have lasted in WoW for 13 years, or any other game for that matter.
This comment does not demonstrate any truth about WoW. The AH lasted in WoW merely because that's the system they chose and it worked.
Zos chose guild based trading and it works which is why it's been here for 3 plus years and will still be here for a very long time. The proof is in the millions of gold that change hands each week through a the trading guilds.
Think EsO will last half as long? One of the many reasons it won't is your beloved guild trader system.
Keep your guild trader system for all I care. There should still be a viable option besides trade chat for those of us that could care less about trade guild ripoffs.
Run another system and then see which moves more gold in game. Might be wrong but I'm willing to be made wrong publicly.
Grasp that straw.Xbox - Kuchini07
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✭✭✭✭✭"eso auction house"
I can understand why people want auction house... so many threads about it... but to be honest I think is is not the best idea....
There was this issue in other mmos (WoW I think was one of them) where auction were rigged by richest players and guilds.
The whole mechanism worked like this: Richest players and guilds pushed auctions prices to it limits - buy items for ridiculously high price, sell it for even more.. repeat and repeat. In other words - exploit the f**k out of the system and raise global price on EVERYTHING....
That is why an AH (Auction House) is a bad idea. But something needs to be done... Current system is also extremely exploited right now....
- Rigged bids on Vendor NPCs (by using fake, empty guilds etc).
- One guild perma-taking one spot (no rotation, just one guild occupying the same spot over and over again (yes I am talking to you Craglorn trading guilds).
- Total Market monopolization.
- And of course - Total exclusion of small guilds / solo players from being able to sell their stuff
(common, you call zone spamming "WTS xyz" a good thing ? ) It is probably the worst method of selling stuff I have seen in a mmo....
Just add a global search engine so I can find item what I need and not waste time for running like crazy to literally to all gilds on the world...
There is also another, simple solution - a global Trading House (not auction house) so small guilds & solo players could also sell their stuff (but of course with some limit like 2 - 5 items per week so large guild would stay relevant).
It does not even need a new vendor NPC... just a menu button to open...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They should keep guild kiosks as is, and add an Auction House that functions on crowns instead of gold and allows selling of BoP items(except Monster head/shoulders, Maelstrom and Master weapons). Everything has a 5 crown cost to list. Players get 90% of the winning crown bid/buyout, the other 10% plus listing cost is absorbed to ZOS.
Players who can't afford crowns win as they can sell stuff to get them. Players who have money but lack time to play win cause they can buy the stuff they need. ZOS wins cause eventually someone will see something they "need" and be forced to buy crowns.
That might be the worst idea ever. There should be no way a player can buy their way to the top instead of actually playing the game to get there.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FelixTheCatt wrote: »Noone is listening. I promise.
If there was an auction house , those in the biggest trading guilds couldn't control the game's economy. That's why there is resistance to it , period.
Just get used to being price gauged with inflated prices and ridiculous "guild dues". Besides gotta remember the old shadow guild bidding scams that are rampant on Ps4 NA which everyone knows about which gets ignored.
Actually they could control it much easier. Three or four people working together could manipulate prices on rare items very easy with a central auction house. Any time they see that certain item listed they purchase it and just sit on them for several days. Once they think the demand is really there they list them again at basically any price they want. If someone comes in and tries to under price them they are there to scoop it up and list it again at the higher price.
Big trading guilds do not control the economy because they lack the resources to monitor such a diverse and scattered system that the traders create.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »What they could do is add auctioneer's to each zone and pool all info from that zone from all the guilds into that auctioneer also allowing others to place like 10 items per week or so without trading guilds just to get in on the game.
I see what you're trying to do here. place 10 items a week (4 weeks = 40 items/month)??? Really? That's more than the current 30 items/month.
And no. Server-wide auction house will never happen according to the devs.
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✭A global AH would save this game.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »oh an auction house! what an original idea we have not seen on these forums about 10,000 times already
And its working alot better than this system ever did, ironic isn't it?
It's not only not ironic, it's also not true.
It's true, or it wouldn't have lasted in WoW for 13 years, or any other game for that matter.
This comment does not demonstrate any truth about WoW. The AH lasted in WoW merely because that's the system they chose and it worked.
Zos chose guild based trading and it works which is why it's been here for 3 plus years and will still be here for a very long time. The proof is in the millions of gold that change hands each week through a the trading guilds.
Yeah those millions that change hands during a week could end up being 100's of millions if they let everyone in on the trading.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭All the pro-AH people tend to ignore the fact that guildstores act as giant gold sink that prevents inflation. Just one high-tier location like Belkrath takes 30-50 millions of gold away from the game every week. Because of this gold sink even the most expensive items like sharpened weapons only cost 250-400k and not 2-3 millions like in many other MMOs with a server wide Auction House.
To pump the same amount of gold out of the system with an AH the tax on sales should exceed 50% of the transaction. Are you guys ready to sell your items without guilds but only get 30-40% gold from it? I'm not so sure about that.
ZOS says that an auction house would lead to massive deflation because the game is on a mega server.
You say that an auction house would lead to massive inflation ...
It would really help us to understand the argument against an auction house if you guys could at least agree on what kind of economic armageddon were to supposedly befall us if one was added, instead of offering us polar opposites. Especially since so many other games have one and the economy still works just fine.
They are not polar opposites. Both inflation and deflation will happen if AH is imntroduced to the game. Prices for rare items like sharpened weapons and some rare motifs/blueprints will skyrocket and prices for everyday commodities like crafting mats or potions will drop close to vendor prices.
The argument is not difficult to understand. It's just that some people don't even want to try understanding it.
Btw, our economy works just fine as well.1 -
jcf190b14_ESO✭✭✭It's takes a bit more work, but it's effectively made trading a global feature:
https://tamrieltradecentre.com/1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Let us all at least agree that the vanilla UI for guild traders is terrible. Just awful.
A huge part of the PC player's defense of the ESO trader system is because we have access to the add-ons that help make it a great system (rather than another WoW clone). If we had to live with the default UI, we'd probably hate it too.
Zeni really does need to take the best parts of the AGS add-on and make them standard for all platforms.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche2 -
Panomania✭✭✭✭Honestly I prefer this system, all in all, to other games' AH system. This method makes it a lot harder to dominate and control market segments. It makes it harder to fix prices. It makes it a LOT harder for goldspammers/sellers to find a profit (which is a GREAT thing). It also, most importantly, pulls tremendous amounts of gold out of the system, providing a fantastic economic throttle.
My only complaints are:
1) the garbage UI....but you can easily get around this using AwesomeGuildStore.
2) the current, flawed blind bid system, causing runaway inflation for trader bid prices
3) the hard limit on decent "real estate" for traders. Honestly there arent enough traders in world to meet demand....especially for higher sales volume guilds.
4) lack of ability to search globally, turning pretty much every trader out there into a State controlled store that cannot advertise to increase business, especially given that you cannot easily find better spots for foot traffic due to the above conditions. Fortuantely the Tamriel Trade Centre website lets you globally search pretty much every trader in game for items you need....though its an imperfect system.
I'd rather see a level playing field. If we're to have this type system maybe we should look at one zone, Marketplace or Bazaar, with different kiosks for guild traders. Could still keep a bid system for the kiosks, but you wouldnt see guilds trying to make a break into the market have the deck so stacked against them.The opinions of others should always be heard, especially if they dont agree with your own! But you always reserve the right to laugh at them.0 -
Sixsixsix161✭✭✭One could only hope. I hate having to sell my mats to merchants, because you don't get much for them.
Example, I picked up 173 pieces of Jute the last 4-5 days, merchant pays 2 gold per piece.
On an auction house, you could list it for whatever (supply and demand). If the price is too low for your taste, wait a few days. it will change as players buy it off the auction house.
It works fine in WoW.
Now, there were issues in D3 with the Real Money Auction House, and as a result Blizzard removed that auction house and the Gold Auction House from the game, and thus eliminated a great part of the game. They overreacted. I think that this was noticed by all gaming houses, and resulted in a lot of games not having an auction house.
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✭✭✭✭✭FelixTheCatt wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »Malamar1229 wrote: »oh an auction house! what an original idea we have not seen on these forums about 10,000 times already
And its working alot better than this system ever did, ironic isn't it?
It's not only not ironic, it's also not true.
It's true, or it wouldn't have lasted in WoW for 13 years, or any other game for that matter.
This comment does not demonstrate any truth about WoW. The AH lasted in WoW merely because that's the system they chose and it worked.
Zos chose guild based trading and it works which is why it's been here for 3 plus years and will still be here for a very long time. The proof is in the millions of gold that change hands each week through a the trading guilds.
Think EsO will last half as long? One of the many reasons it won't is your beloved guild trader system.
Keep your guild trader system for all I care. There should still be a viable option besides trade chat for those of us that could care less about trade guild ripoffs.
Run another system and then see which moves more gold in game. Might be wrong but I'm willing to be made wrong publicly.
Grasp that straw.
I think it is kind of lame to use WoW as any sort of example. I usually kinda laugh when someone uses such an absurd example of how an MMO should be. Great game in it's day but looks more like childs play in today's gaming world. Their success is probably merely due to being the only decent choice at one time.
Trading guilds are not ripoffs. It is just a different model and the one we have. We all have a choice to deal with it or not. But it will be the only system ESO has.Edited by idk on July 17, 2017 11:20PM0 -
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✭Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »more like 90 for, and 10 against.
Yeah make an auction house. Lol. And watch all the rare or low priced items get bought up instantly and relished for higher. Hahaha0 -
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✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »They have already stated that there is no chance at all, period, zip, none that they will do a world wide auction house. While your opinion is shared with the vast majority of forum activists, it's never going to happen, time to protest for something that there is a chance for... like more emotes or scandalous attire for your characters.
What they could do is add auctioneer's to each zone and pool all info from that zone from all the guilds into that auctioneer also allowing others to place like 10 items per week or so without trading guilds just to get in on the game.
What they could do is a million different things, the point is they have already said in numerous ESO Lives, it's not going to happen.
Dead horse has been beaten for four years. Grass is always greener, people just need to enjoy that we even have any kind of world trader, it used to be inhouse guild store only.
They have said many, MANY things in ESO Live that they wouldn't do and have done. Crown Crates being one of them, B2P being one of them, etc.
Can't blame people for continuing to try and get a better system than the one that we currently have.
It's not a better system. I know a couple of guys that transferred from pc to console that would love for this to happen.0 -
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✭ComboBreaker88 wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »more like 90 for, and 10 against.
Yeah make an auction house. Lol. And watch all the rare or low priced items get bought up instantly and relished for higher. Hahaha
Funny how that doesn't happen in SWTOR or GW2 or LOTRO or WoW. There is one anti-AH guy on here that makes the laughable claim that he "monopolized" mods and armaments on SWTOR, which caused me to guffaw with enormous gusto. I know he's lying, but that doesn't keep him from spewing that poo.
For what it's worth, I think this system is a complete failure. How many people share my viewpoint, and completely leave their materials and goods out of the system? A lot more than you would think, I imagine. The supply in this game is limited by the system itself. That's never a good thing.Edited by Drachenfier on July 18, 2017 8:15PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ComboBreaker88 wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »more like 90 for, and 10 against.
Yeah make an auction house. Lol. And watch all the rare or low priced items get bought up instantly and relished for higher. Hahaha
He cares about that almost as much as he cares about the accuracy of his statements.Drachenfier wrote: »ComboBreaker88 wrote: »Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »more like 90 for, and 10 against.
Yeah make an auction house. Lol. And watch all the rare or low priced items get bought up instantly and relished for higher. Hahaha
Funny how that doesn't happen in SWTOR or GW2 or LOTRO or WoW. There is one anti-AH guy on here that makes the laughable claim that he "monopolized" mods and armaments on SWTOR, which caused me to guffaw with enormous gusto. I know he's lying, but that doesn't keep him from spewing that poo.
For what it's worth, I think this system is a complete failure. How many people share my viewpoint, and completely leave their materials and goods out of the system? A lot more than you would think, I imagine. The supply in this game is limited by the system itself. That's never a good thing.
@Drachenfier
It did push prices down. I can speak for SWTOR specifically and the same thing happens in the other games as well. Price is pushed down the more who sell the same item. If you didn't notice the depreciation then you were not paying much attention.
It is one of the specific reasons Zos stated for using the guild system. Since it has created a robust and vibrant economy in the game, a success, Zos will not be changing it.Edited by idk on July 18, 2017 9:03PM0
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