SOS to ZOS

Massive_Stain · July 2017

The changes you have made to the game are not good. You've taken the action out of this MMORPG. Its already been said, but the high end guilds on PS4 NA are experiencing a mass exodus. Rough Nightwood on PS4 NA just lost another great endgame player last night. Don't kill your game, ZOS. It has so much potential. I'm in 4 discords for endgame PVE, and all of them struggle to fill rosters for raids. In homestead, we struggled to get on the rosters because of how fun it was. The fun is fin, ZOS. Why? Why did you kill the fun?

Chilly-McFreeze · July 2017

Good points you made, insightfull it was. Much detail, very wow. This will surely point them in the right direction.

Massive_Stain · July 2017

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Much detail, very wow.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

right direction.

StackonClown · July 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

The changes you have made to the game are not good. You've taken the action out of this MMORPG. Its already been said, but the high end guilds on PS4 NA are experiencing a mass exodus. Rough Nightwood on PS4 NA just lost another great endgame player last night. Don't kill your game, ZOS. It has so much potential. I'm in 4 discords for endgame PVE, and all of them struggle to fill rosters for raids. In homestead, we struggled to get on the rosters because of how fun it was. The fun is fin, ZOS. Why? Why did you kill the fun?

1. What 'action' are you talking about - might be an idea to elaborate maybe?
2. Whats the deal with your forum username?
3. Refer to 1 above

Massive_Stain · July 2017

StackonClown wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

The changes you have made to the game are not good. You've taken the action out of this MMORPG. Its already been said, but the high end guilds on PS4 NA are experiencing a mass exodus. Rough Nightwood on PS4 NA just lost another great endgame player last night. Don't kill your game, ZOS. It has so much potential. I'm in 4 discords for endgame PVE, and all of them struggle to fill rosters for raids. In homestead, we struggled to get on the rosters because of how fun it was. The fun is fin, ZOS. Why? Why did you kill the fun?

1. 'action'?
2. forum username?

Sarah_Flare · July 2017

Who are you Massive_Stain?!?! Lol. But yeah we are struggling in Rough Nightwood. Going from arguably the #2 or #1 (if you count the massive ban to Majeeka/Grand Council/Astronomy Society) ps4 na raiding guild in homestead to struggling to keep people and struggling in general.

BucFanJKE · July 2017

Username OP

PlautisCarvain · July 2017

Let me guess, you are pro-proc set?

Pops_ND_Irish · July 2017

Massive_Stain wrote: »

The changes you have made to the game are not good. You've taken the action out of this MMORPG. Its already been said, but the high end guilds on PS4 NA are experiencing a mass exodus. Rough Nightwood on PS4 NA just lost another great endgame player last night. Don't kill your game, ZOS. It has so much potential. I'm in 4 discords for endgame PVE, and all of them struggle to fill rosters for raids. In homestead, we struggled to get on the rosters because of how fun it was. The fun is fin, ZOS. Why? Why did you kill the fun?

Ill take all gold and mats during exodus !

Massive_Stain · July 2017

MoTeets wrote: »

Ill exodus !

Will decon. All gear trial gear lol

idk · July 2017

Every year in every MMORPG some top level players (and some of everyone else) leave the game. Some come back. New ones come in. The game continues as it is in ESO.

The only game I am aware of that continues but lost their high end raiding is SWTOR. Not only did they dumb the game down significantly but they decided they were no longer interested in the raiding community. They haven't added a new raid in two years so the high end raiding community no longer had a reason to continue.

ESO just released a new trial and a mini-trial is due to be released later this year.

GreenhaloX · July 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Every year in every MMORPG some top level players (and some of everyone else) leave the game. Some come back. New ones come in. The game continues as it is in ESO.

The only game I am aware of that continues but lost their high end raiding is SWTOR. Not only did they dumb the game down significantly but they decided they were no longer interested in the raiding community. They haven't added a new raid in two years so the high end raiding community no longer had a reason to continue.

ESO just released a new trial and a mini-trial is due to be released later this year.

.. and the nerfing continues. Always fun times. Yes, yes.. I know; if I don't like it, then don't play.. right? Sadly, heading that way.

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Oh.. sorry to hear about your guild, Rough Nightwood, whoever you guys are.

Massive_Stain · July 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Every year in every MMORPG leave the game. New ones continues but lost their high

ESO just released a new trial and a mini-trial is due to be Rough Nightwood

._.

Megabear · July 2017

But I like the changes.

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

Let me guess, you are pro-proc set?

Obviously this is about the changes to managing resources, and the heavy attack meta.

I'm sure the upcoming massive nerf to sharpened isn't helping either. But that's mainly due to the fact that farming for gear in this game is miserable due to the RNG.

Sunah · July 2017

Not really clarifying on why they killed ESO.. But the majority of the people rage quit because sustaining is apparently too difficult for them..

Massive_Stain · July 2017

Sunah wrote: »

the majority of the people rage quit

Nope no rage. Just jaded and other games.

Massive_Stain · July 2017

Lets put it like this. On PC, you have guilds like hodor, aquila raiders and tamriel feminists to name a few that are doing ok. On ps4, you have rough nightwood, tamriel feminists, and a few others. These are the top progression guilds. These are the people that often times help the community by figuring out the strategy, and then word of mouthing it to other guilds.

The sustain nerf did nothing to my dps. I am reaching from 36k self buffed to 40k with just elemental drain, so no, the top players aren't "lol rage quit". Its boring now. ESO has become boring, and for the people who farmed sets in divine trait, only to have them nerfed through proxy, are becoming jaded. The rng needs a rework, the nerfs need to stop. People need to feel powerful again or this game is going to the back of the queue for the progression guilds best and most knowledgeable players, and consequently, the average players will be locked out of trials in general. This has nothing to do with sustain. It has everything to do with punishing people to go along with their archaic rng system.

Vipstaakki · July 2017

What are you on about?! I love these changes. They are the best since thieves guild!

Bakkagami · July 2017

So occasionally holding the left mouse button suddenly made it boring, but hitting the same buttons on the same rotation for every fight was somehow not boring?

Massive_Stain · July 2017

Vipstaakki wrote: »

What are thieves guild!

Bakkagami wrote: »

left mouse button?

You guys must be illiterate. There are words that I writed that could be read to understand.

Megabear wrote: »

I like.

PlautisCarvain wrote: »

pro-proc set?

Missing point you are.

Khumbu · July 2017

MMOs buff gear, nerf gear, add new sets that are occasionally superior, and sometimes raise the gear cap entirely to render your last tier useless. That's the nature of the beast.

However, I do agree that the RNG grind is garbage and the real issue. ESO NEEDS a pity token system or something to alleviate the RNG nightmare that is farming for a BIS trait, especially for weapons.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

Sunah wrote: »

Not really clarifying on why they killed ESO.. But the majority of the people rage quit because sustaining is apparently too difficult for them..

It's not that it's difficult - it's become a CHORE. No one likes CHORES - they play games to escape from chores, not to be saddled with them, lol. Combat is SLOW and monotonous. Having to use highly specific setups to briefly play like they used to be able to do in Homestead is ridiculous. Sustain changes solved nothing in PvP and made PvE miserable.

Kodrac · July 2017

MoTeets wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

The changes you have made to the game are not good. You've taken the action out of this MMORPG. Its already been said, but the high end guilds on PS4 NA are experiencing a mass exodus. Rough Nightwood on PS4 NA just lost another great endgame player last night. Don't kill your game, ZOS. It has so much potential. I'm in 4 discords for endgame PVE, and all of them struggle to fill rosters for raids. In homestead, we struggled to get on the rosters because of how fun it was. The fun is fin, ZOS. Why? Why did you kill the fun?

Ill take all gold and mats during exodus !

Nah, you can go polish your armor some more, Sir ***

EDIT: White-y is blocked? What in the H?.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

Khumbu wrote: »

MMOs buff gear, nerf gear, add new sets that are occasionally superior, and sometimes raise the gear cap entirely to render your last tier useless. That's the nature of the beast.

However, I do agree that the RNG grind is garbage and the real issue. ESO NEEDS a pity token system or something to alleviate the RNG nightmare that is farming for a BIS trait, especially for weapons.

The buff/nerf cycle isn't the problem. The problem in ESO is that ZoS' buff/nerf cycle is ERRATIC, player feedback is frequently ignored, and pve combat suffers anytime a change in pvp is made because the two are not separate like they should be.

LilySix · July 2017

It's not just about the heavy attacks and ressources management...If you were ok before Morrowind this has no impact on your DPS.

It's just that the game is boring. VMOL was a challenge. This trial teach players everyday how to play with brain, to co-work, to understand strats etc ... For end game community VHOF is to easy.. No challenge... No interest.

My guild is on PS4 EU and we are not an endgame guild but we have the potential to be one... The problem is that we need DD's and we can't find some OP. We don't want to teach others (after 2 years doing that and no gratefuless... We stoppped it), we want people OP. And people OP have left, or are in tiny groups and play together.

notimetocare · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Sunah wrote: »

Not really clarifying on why they killed ESO.. But the majority of the people rage quit because sustaining is apparently too difficult for them..

It's not that it's difficult - it's become a CHORE. No one likes CHORES - they play games to escape from chores, not to be saddled with them, lol. Combat is SLOW and monotonous. Having to use highly specific setups to briefly play like they used to be able to do in Homestead is ridiculous. Sustain changes solved nothing in PvP and made PvE miserable.

Progression is always nearly a second job for any mmorpg ever created. Maybe don't play for hardcore progression? Farming the best of the best sets in perfect traits is not required to have fun with the game or complete most content. I spent 10yrs doing competitive progression and chose not to in ESO. Make your choices and don't ask for the death of a playstyle

notimetocare · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Khumbu wrote: »

MMOs buff gear, nerf gear, add new sets that are occasionally superior, and sometimes raise the gear cap entirely to render your last tier useless. That's the nature of the beast.

However, I do agree that the RNG grind is garbage and the real issue. ESO NEEDS a pity token system or something to alleviate the RNG nightmare that is farming for a BIS trait, especially for weapons.

The buff/nerf cycle isn't the problem. The problem in ESO is that ZoS' buff/nerf cycle is ERRATIC, player feedback is frequently ignored, and pve combat suffers anytime a change in pvp is made because the two are not separate like they should be.

No game with good pve has separated them completely. The goal that ZoS has is good and healthy, if they could do it right

Slack · July 2017

When people think their builds are broken because they have to use 1 more Regen glyph and 1 more sustain ability.

When people quit because some whiner recorded and uploaded it to YouTube.

When people think the sky has fallen because they can't endlessly face roll on their keyboard anymore.

Then they really don't deserve any pity.
Your guild members would probably have quit anyway, because no change which has been done was even close to gamebreaking.
Even when plenty of people claim it just because some guy said it in a video

"ROUGH NIGHTWOOD LOST ANOTHER GREAT PLAYER LAST NIGHT"

Did he kill himself with the mic next to him or how do you know that he will never ever log in again.

Khumbu · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Khumbu wrote: »

MMOs buff gear, nerf gear, add new sets that are occasionally superior, and sometimes raise the gear cap entirely to render your last tier useless. That's the nature of the beast.

However, I do agree that the RNG grind is garbage and the real issue. ESO NEEDS a pity token system or something to alleviate the RNG nightmare that is farming for a BIS trait, especially for weapons.

The buff/nerf cycle isn't the problem. The problem in ESO is that ZoS' buff/nerf cycle is ERRATIC, player feedback is frequently ignored, and pve combat suffers anytime a change in pvp is made because the two are not separate like they should be.

While I agree with everything you said, balance appears to be extremely difficult to get right and almost every time a major change is implemented in an MMO, no matter how well intentioned, it inevitably screws up something somewhere. That's why I don't expect ZOS to ever get smooth balancing right.

That's why if they're going to make changes that cause an upheaval, they need to add something to smooth the transition in other ways. For example, if divines is no longer BIS the pity token system would allow PvErs to farm up and replace the old gear without too much hassle.

VampiricByNature · July 2017

*eats popcorn* Psh. You think you high end raid players have it tough? Try running with a lower end guild.

Half of our team could do vmaw in their sleep. The other half try to play with the majority of their controller inserted in their bums.

I do agree with the OP. Even really inexperienced players are hard to find right now on ps4. [I'm in a guild that teaches and even helps people get setup for trials.]
VDSA had become my favorite eso thing to do because I can feel slightly competitive there. There just aren't a lot of guild choices out there anymore for an endgame player in the mid-skill range. And tbh half of my dsa team is heading for destiny2.