I'd rather not annoy absolutely every Nightblade I come across to get a rough idea on what people are using. I'll just read the forums instead! (but knowing in game without asking everyone would be great)
We need to be able to inspect each others gear. This creates elitism. Some want the element of elitism and some do not. To prove my point that it is beneficial to the game, just look at the social class system. We have poor people, middle class people, and rich people. By having this class structure, we strive to better ourselves. We have no way of knowing if we are keeping up with the joneses by keeping gear private. If people enjoy being poor then that is their prerogative and they can mingle within their class. In conclusion, Elitism spawns from the ability to inspect players gear. Elitism is a mechanic that is desperately needed in this game even more so than an auction house.
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Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.
- If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.
- If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.
We need to be able to inspect each others gear. This creates elitism. Some want the element of elitism and some do not. To prove my point that it is beneficial to the game, just look at the social class system. We have poor people, middle class people, and rich people. By having this class structure, we strive to better ourselves. We have no way of knowing if we are keeping up with the joneses by keeping gear private. If people enjoy being poor then that is their prerogative and they can mingle within their class. In conclusion, Elitism spawns from the ability to inspect players gear. Elitism is a mechanic that is desperately needed in this game even more so than an auction house.
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redshirt_49 wrote: »
That is what ruined LOTRO raiding. Used to be a far more cooperative system, now it's just a "who's got all the endgame crap already" circlejoke. One of the reasons I'm willing to try grouping in this game is the lack of that nonsense and I hope they never implement it.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »That is what ruined LOTRO raiding. Used to be a far more cooperative system, now it's just a "who's got all the endgame crap already" circlejoke. One of the reasons I'm willing to try grouping in this game is the lack of that nonsense and I hope they never implement it.
So, if someone is geared completely wrong we do not want them to be able to receive some helpful advice? Let them continue trying to be a dps in HA with extremely high physical and spell resist because we cannot see what they are wearing?
I am not advocating Zos bring this about, however there is a benefit. In another game that had inspection a healer was having issues healing. We inspected her gear to find she was wearing a lot of tanking gear. Inspection made the difference between her learning to gear correctly and actually being able to perform her role. It is hard to suggest inspection is a bad thing.
Besides, inspection happens in the game already. Players with solid dps can see they are pulling most of the dps in a 4 man dungeon even without an addon. It becomes clear the other dps is not doing much. We can clearly see what skills the other players is using and how they are using them, we just cannot suggest gear changes and that dps gets to continue hitting like a wet noodle.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »That is what ruined LOTRO raiding. Used to be a far more cooperative system, now it's just a "who's got all the endgame crap already" circlejoke. One of the reasons I'm willing to try grouping in this game is the lack of that nonsense and I hope they never implement it.
So, if someone is geared completely wrong we do not want them to be able to receive some helpful advice? Let them continue trying to be a dps in HA with extremely high physical and spell resist because we cannot see what they are wearing?
I am not advocating Zos bring this about, however there is a benefit. In another game that had inspection a healer was having issues healing. We inspected her gear to find she was wearing a lot of tanking gear. Inspection made the difference between her learning to gear correctly and actually being able to perform her role. It is hard to suggest inspection is a bad thing.
Besides, inspection happens in the game already. Players with solid dps can see they are pulling most of the dps in a 4 man dungeon even without an addon. It becomes clear the other dps is not doing much. We can clearly see what skills the other players is using and how they are using them, we just cannot suggest gear changes and that dps gets to continue hitting like a wet noodle.
Ummm... No?redshirt_49 wrote: »Most of your DPS comes from your set of skills and spent CPs. Depending on your setup maybe your gear traits. Set bonuses give you a boost towards what your build is centered around. Somebody without 200+ CPs is not going to pull more than 10k DPS. No matter what his gear is, or his skills or whatever. I know this because I actually tried it out on an alt account @ CP180 and was unable to exceed 10k with the same gear and skills I use on my main. Difference of 20-30k DPS that comes purely from your available CPs.
Ummm... No?redshirt_49 wrote: »Most of your DPS comes from your set of skills and spent CPs. Depending on your setup maybe your gear traits. Set bonuses give you a boost towards what your build is centered around. Somebody without 200+ CPs is not going to pull more than 10k DPS. No matter what his gear is, or his skills or whatever. I know this because I actually tried it out on an alt account @ CP180 and was unable to exceed 10k with the same gear and skills I use on my main. Difference of 20-30k DPS that comes purely from your available CPs.
I mean, it has a big impact, but not THAT huge. I've started recently on PS4 (so not only a new account, but also completely different controls, etc. - I'm playing mostly on PC) and with no CP it might really be hard to break 15k (not impossible, just harder than I thought), but someone having issues at 160cp+ breaking 10k is clearly doing something wrong (if you said 25k I might believe you, as at 180cp this might be hard, but not 10k!).
asuzab16_ESO wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.
- If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.
- If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.
Like I was saying a few comments earlier, the lazy one is usually not the player asking but the ones being asked. I used the chat dozens of times to ask people what they were wearing and so far, only one person answered me. I guess most of them were too lazy (I won't call them stupid) and every single time, I ended up going on ESO Fashion to have my answer.
@asuzab16_ESO , as the first part of my reply indicated, if it's for terms of visual style, by all means, enable it.asuzab16_ESO wrote: »Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.
- If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.
- If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.
Like I was saying a few comments earlier, the lazy one is usually not the player asking but the ones being asked. I used the chat dozens of times to ask people what they were wearing and so far, only one person answered me. I guess most of them were too lazy (I won't call them stupid) and every single time, I ended up going on ESO Fashion to have my answer.