eso inspect gear

Voxicity · July 2017

I wouldn't mind it. Anything to get us out of the PC hell hole we're in at the moment

MattT1988 · July 2017

dan958 wrote: »

MattT1988 wrote: »

dan958 wrote: »

I'd like to know what other people are wearing, so I can learn what is good gear and what I should be aiming for. then again, I don't want people to make fun of my terrible gear

Then ask them.

I'd rather not annoy absolutely every Nightblade I come across to get a rough idea on what people are using. I'll just read the forums instead! (but knowing in game without asking everyone would be great)

You'll find that a large chunk of them would be happy to tell you what they're running if you just ask. That just speaking from my experience of course. You'll find you'll learn a heap more from asking a couple of questions rather then just using an inspect feature.

asuzab16_ESO · July 2017

I would love to be able to inspect other players, simply because 90% of them just ignore me when I send them a "Hi, sorry for bothering you but could you please tell me which style is your armor?". I felt so lucky when after trying about twenty times, somebody finally took the time to answer me...

So, being able to inspect others? Definitely yes. However, I think it should be limited to appearance related information and have nothing to do with gear performance to avoid the absolutely ridiculous situations we had in many MMO because of that tool (the Lich King expansion on WoW showed us how stupid a community can get with a tool like this). They'll probably never make an inspection tool just for that though. Hopefully, the next persons I'll ask about their armors will be a little more cooperative

Merlin13KAGL · July 2017

Sure, if you're that interested in the visual style the gear represents, then by all means, allow gear inspection (for visual style only.)

Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.

If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.
If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.
If you're either so convinced that gear, CP, or skill loadout is either synonymous with player skill or your own build is so reliant on some specific buff provided from one of your groupmates, your groupmate is not the issue.

If you're going to insist on this BS, why stop there?

Why not full inspection of their achieves? (You don't have this achievement? Not adding to group.)
Played hours? Sorry, otherwise awesome role with excellent group dynamics, you're 23 minutes shy of our arbitrary requirement.
Inventory space? We'd love to have you come along to carry us on this clear, but you're probably have to vendor first, and we can't be bothered.

See how absurd it sounds when you put it like that?

If someone else's gear is keeping you from a clear, I doubt the probably stops there. I further doubt the problem stops with them.

Olupajmibanan · July 2017

I haven't read OP's post nor any of the comments here. Just by title I am saying that inspect, group damage meter and ranking system in BGs are the features I am currently missing the most.

HeavyMetalAngel · July 2017

Well, I think inspecting gear would be cool. However, I don't agree that we should "mingle with our class" nor do I care whether or not I am "keeping up with the Jones'." Just my opinion, though. I do admit the reasoning used in your post was nebulous to me. Not trying to insult or troll.

redshirt_49 · July 2017

dustin17m wrote: »

We need to be able to inspect each others gear. This creates elitism. Some want the element of elitism and some do not. To prove my point that it is beneficial to the game, just look at the social class system. We have poor people, middle class people, and rich people. By having this class structure, we strive to better ourselves. We have no way of knowing if we are keeping up with the joneses by keeping gear private. If people enjoy being poor then that is their prerogative and they can mingle within their class. In conclusion, Elitism spawns from the ability to inspect players gear. Elitism is a mechanic that is desperately needed in this game even more so than an auction house.

[Edit to remove political reference]

No. Absolutely not. Dungeon groups are picky enough as it is, I don't want to spend 15 minutes arguing everytime i run vets with some elitist snob who demands to know why I run Mother's Sorrow instead of Scathing or Defiler instead of TFS, only to get kicked anyway. For the love of all that is holy, NEVER let this be a thing in ESO. Somebody asking what gear I'm running is already a red flag. Giving him the power to check without having to ask is the end of group finder.

Jamascus · July 2017

They can add the ability to inspect other people's gear along with a setting to make yourself uninspectable (that's a word, really)

redshirt_49 · July 2017

Jamascus wrote: »

They can add the ability to inspect other people's gear along with a setting to make yourself uninspectable (that's a word, really)

Sooo, a bragging rights setting then? Only reason to have that on is to let everybody know how awesome your stuff is.

asuzab16_ESO · July 2017

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.

If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.

If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.

Like I was saying a few comments earlier, the lazy one is usually not the player asking but the ones being asked. I used the chat dozens of times to ask people what they were wearing and so far, only one person answered me. I guess most of them were too lazy (I won't call them stupid) and every single time, I ended up going on ESO Fashion to have my answer.

JKorr · July 2017

dustin17m wrote: »

We need to be able to inspect each others gear. This creates elitism. Some want the element of elitism and some do not. To prove my point that it is beneficial to the game, just look at the social class system. We have poor people, middle class people, and rich people. By having this class structure, we strive to better ourselves. We have no way of knowing if we are keeping up with the joneses by keeping gear private. If people enjoy being poor then that is their prerogative and they can mingle within their class. In conclusion, Elitism spawns from the ability to inspect players gear. Elitism is a mechanic that is desperately needed in this game even more so than an auction house.

[Edit to remove political reference]

No.

People use "elitism" to marginalize and exclude others; the really *** "elites" don't want to deign to speak to anyone lower cp/level than themselves as it is. New players who want to "strive to improve" get kicked from groups and shut down by many elites because they aren't good/don't have cp 9000 billion or whatever. Some of the elites don't want to allow people to "strive to be better". Apparently the *** faction of the "elites" were born with the innate knowledge of all the mechanics of ESO, never had to learn by experiencing the content, and so don't want to bother with the lesser mortals who actually need to run the content to "git gud".

Your "idea" also ignores the players who play to enjoy the game, because they've played the single player games before, and aren't rabidly competitive. You have so many cp points the computer can't register the numbers? Good for you. You have teh bestest golded gear with the perfect traits for this month? Congratulations. You can wipe out two dozen opponents in less than 10 seconds? Great. Earth shattering revelation incoming for you; I don't care. Yes, if I bothered with pvp you could kill my character by blinking at them. You run trials solo and make perfect scores. And so what? I don't want to be like you. Especially with the attitude you have about "elitism".

On the rare occasions I do see someone that has great looking gear and I'd like to know what it is, I whisper them. I've never had someone I asked about their gear/what color they used to dye it not bother to answer. The only time I bother to ask what level someone is, is if I'm making them a set of gear. Other than that, it doesn't matter. I'm playing to enjoy the game and have fun. I take it for granted someone else is playing for much the same reasons. [sadly mistaken in some cases if people are that competitive, but then they'll never be able to enjoy the game; the constant grind to remain teh uberest bestest evah will never end]

Chadak · July 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eO3XmuVry4

Jamascus · July 2017

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Jamascus wrote: »

They can add the ability to inspect other people's gear along with a setting to make yourself uninspectable (that's a word, really)

Sooo, a bragging rights setting then? Only reason to have that on is to let everybody know how awesome your stuff is.

Yep, as others have said it would add to elitism. I was pointing out how to implement it properly but they should not waste our money developing it.

bloodthirstyvampire · July 2017

An elite that needs the help of other elites, Isn't elite there just whiney scrubs looking for someone to blame.

idk · July 2017

Minyassa wrote: »

That is what ruined LOTRO raiding. Used to be a far more cooperative system, now it's just a "who's got all the endgame crap already" circlejoke. One of the reasons I'm willing to try grouping in this game is the lack of that nonsense and I hope they never implement it.

So, if someone is geared completely wrong we do not want them to be able to receive some helpful advice? Let them continue trying to be a dps in HA with extremely high physical and spell resist because we cannot see what they are wearing?

I am not advocating Zos bring this about, however there is a benefit. In another game that had inspection a healer was having issues healing. We inspected her gear to find she was wearing a lot of tanking gear. Inspection made the difference between her learning to gear correctly and actually being able to perform her role. It is hard to suggest inspection is a bad thing.

Besides, inspection happens in the game already. Players with solid dps can see they are pulling most of the dps in a 4 man dungeon even without an addon. It becomes clear the other dps is not doing much. We can clearly see what skills the other players is using and how they are using them, we just cannot suggest gear changes and that dps gets to continue hitting like a wet noodle.

redshirt_49 · July 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

That is what ruined LOTRO raiding. Used to be a far more cooperative system, now it's just a "who's got all the endgame crap already" circlejoke. One of the reasons I'm willing to try grouping in this game is the lack of that nonsense and I hope they never implement it.

So, if someone is geared completely wrong we do not want them to be able to receive some helpful advice? Let them continue trying to be a dps in HA with extremely high physical and spell resist because we cannot see what they are wearing?

I am not advocating Zos bring this about, however there is a benefit. In another game that had inspection a healer was having issues healing. We inspected her gear to find she was wearing a lot of tanking gear. Inspection made the difference between her learning to gear correctly and actually being able to perform her role. It is hard to suggest inspection is a bad thing.

Besides, inspection happens in the game already. Players with solid dps can see they are pulling most of the dps in a 4 man dungeon even without an addon. It becomes clear the other dps is not doing much. We can clearly see what skills the other players is using and how they are using them, we just cannot suggest gear changes and that dps gets to continue hitting like a wet noodle.

Most of your DPS comes from your set of skills and spent CPs. Depending on your setup maybe your gear traits. Set bonuses give you a boost towards what your build is centered around. Somebody without 200+ CPs is not going to pull more than 10k DPS. No matter what his gear is, or his skills or whatever. I know this because I actually tried it out on an alt account @ CP180 and was unable to exceed 10k with the same gear and skills I use on my main. Difference of 20-30k DPS that comes purely from your available CPs.

If you're noticing someone is lagging behind more than they should, that's when you maybe inquire what the problem is. But gear checks behind your back is not the way to go. Not with the elitist culture already present in this game.

Your gear ain't gold? You get the boot.
You're using X set, instead of Y set (even though the reality of DPS loss is less than 2k, with the return of better sustain)? It's not "bis", so you get the boot.
Your traits aren't the way we want them to be (even though we know nothing about the rest of your build)? You get the boot.

You see the problem here? This is already happening on a daily basis to an extent. Don't make this worse. Please.

Chadak · July 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

That is what ruined LOTRO raiding. Used to be a far more cooperative system, now it's just a "who's got all the endgame crap already" circlejoke. One of the reasons I'm willing to try grouping in this game is the lack of that nonsense and I hope they never implement it.

So, if someone is geared completely wrong we do not want them to be able to receive some helpful advice? Let them continue trying to be a dps in HA with extremely high physical and spell resist because we cannot see what they are wearing?

I am not advocating Zos bring this about, however there is a benefit. In another game that had inspection a healer was having issues healing. We inspected her gear to find she was wearing a lot of tanking gear. Inspection made the difference between her learning to gear correctly and actually being able to perform her role. It is hard to suggest inspection is a bad thing.

Besides, inspection happens in the game already. Players with solid dps can see they are pulling most of the dps in a 4 man dungeon even without an addon. It becomes clear the other dps is not doing much. We can clearly see what skills the other players is using and how they are using them, we just cannot suggest gear changes and that dps gets to continue hitting like a wet noodle.

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Yeah. Ok. So here's the thing.

If you're on friendly terms with someone, getting them to link their gear or discuss their gearing situation with you won't be a problem. At all. Ever.

If you're in a situation wherein which you think you're going to be 'Helping™' someone like this, but you wouldn't otherwise ask about their gear loadout by talking to them?

You're not looking to help. You're looking for license to be a nosy git and you're trying to put lipstick on it and call it 'helping'.

The second you actually care about helping someone, you'll talk to them, and IF THEY WANT YOUR HELP, they'll have the choice of accepting it as they please, or declining it at their option.

That's how grown ups do things. Your lame excuse of 'helping' is neither helpful nor, in fact, well-meaning.

tommalmm · July 2017

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Most of your DPS comes from your set of skills and spent CPs. Depending on your setup maybe your gear traits. Set bonuses give you a boost towards what your build is centered around. Somebody without 200+ CPs is not going to pull more than 10k DPS. No matter what his gear is, or his skills or whatever. I know this because I actually tried it out on an alt account @ CP180 and was unable to exceed 10k with the same gear and skills I use on my main. Difference of 20-30k DPS that comes purely from your available CPs.

Ummm... No?

I mean, it has a big impact, but not THAT huge. I've started recently on PS4 (so not only a new account, but also completely different controls, etc. - I'm playing mostly on PC) and with no CP it might really be hard to break 15k (not impossible, just harder than I thought), but someone having issues at 160cp+ breaking 10k is clearly doing something wrong (if you said 25k I might believe you, as at 180cp this might be hard, but not 10k!).

To the topic then. Bad idea. A lot of misunderstanigs and toxicity. Good player in crafted gear will outdps any average player in BIS gear. ALWAYS. Gear is not such a big issues in ESO (as long as it's decent, like not using tank sets on dps or stam sets on magicka). In dungeons it's pretty clear. You see 70% damage done, then it means the other DD did most likely less than 20% (accounting for heal and tank). The gear doesn't really matter most of the time... Unless you see someone performing a proper rotation and still struggling, but then just ask and give advice if you feel like it.

redshirt_49 · July 2017

tommalmm wrote: »

redshirt_49 wrote: »

Most of your DPS comes from your set of skills and spent CPs. Depending on your setup maybe your gear traits. Set bonuses give you a boost towards what your build is centered around. Somebody without 200+ CPs is not going to pull more than 10k DPS. No matter what his gear is, or his skills or whatever. I know this because I actually tried it out on an alt account @ CP180 and was unable to exceed 10k with the same gear and skills I use on my main. Difference of 20-30k DPS that comes purely from your available CPs.

Ummm... No?

I mean, it has a big impact, but not THAT huge. I've started recently on PS4 (so not only a new account, but also completely different controls, etc. - I'm playing mostly on PC) and with no CP it might really be hard to break 15k (not impossible, just harder than I thought), but someone having issues at 160cp+ breaking 10k is clearly doing something wrong (if you said 25k I might believe you, as at 180cp this might be hard, but not 10k!).

Assuming they're using at least purple quality, with best traits, that number cannot be broken, I guarantee you. It's a math thing. I didn't believe it either, which is why I tested. Even if they were using gold quality, BiS stuff the highest you can go will be 15k. Your CPs matter A LOT more than you think they do, especially thaum.

Bombashaman · July 2017

No.

max_only · July 2017

asuzab16_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.

If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.

If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.

Like I was saying a few comments earlier, the lazy one is usually not the player asking but the ones being asked. I used the chat dozens of times to ask people what they were wearing and so far, only one person answered me. I guess most of them were too lazy (I won't call them stupid) and every single time, I ended up going on ESO Fashion to have my answer.

Well if you are on pc/na and you asked, for example 100 people then: 50 don't speak English very well, 25 are afk or in a very fast guild chat, 10 are snobs, 10 are roleplayers, and 5 are rather chuffed that you think they look cool. So it's really luck of the draw. If someone asks me I always answer and though I'm kinda shy, I'll still send a "your character looks badass!" whisper in passing.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · July 2017

No, no, and no! Elitist's like you are what's wrong with this game. Just because someone has BIS gear does not mean they have the skills to make the kills.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2017

asuzab16_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Otherwise: A S K You have chat in the lower left hand corner - use it.

If you're too lazy or stupid to ask an individual what gear they are wearing, you're probably not worth running with.

If you're not content to accept the set answer to the above, you're probably not worth running with. No quality requirements, no full linked pieces, none of that crap.

Like I was saying a few comments earlier, the lazy one is usually not the player asking but the ones being asked. I used the chat dozens of times to ask people what they were wearing and so far, only one person answered me. I guess most of them were too lazy (I won't call them stupid) and every single time, I ended up going on ESO Fashion to have my answer.

@asuzab16_ESO , as the first part of my reply indicated, if it's for terms of visual style, by all means, enable it.

That's usually not why someone is interested in doing a 'gear check' on another person, though.

Also, bear in mind, if someone does not have certain addons, they may truly not remember the style they are wearing, or they assume you are interested in the sets and stats, not the style.

I use the terminology I use, because some want the answer without ever posting the question. In such cases, I stand by my statement that one of the two circumstances probably applies.

Sallington · July 2017

People don't like that idea, because of their feelings or something lame like that.

Dakmor_Kavu · July 2017

I'm actually in favor of it, especially in PvP. Sometimes I get nuked and am curious as to the load out that's helping enable this, and I'd love to see. I've asked before and sometimes I get a reply, sometimes not.

Personally I'm always happy to answer questions on what I wear (healer) but I know folks aren't always comfortable asking, so I'd be happy for them to be able to see. A toggle function sounds like a great solution

Nestor · July 2017

If gear mattered all that much, then this might be a thing.

FelixTheCatt · July 2017

Yeah , there aren't enough d-bags in this mmo yet.

QuebraRegra · July 2017

I'd luv to be able to inspect other players... I often have to whisper "what gear is that" when I see something that looks cool at a wayshrine, etc.

Aurielle · July 2017

LOL NO. It's bad enough being kicked from random normals for being sub-CP500. Gear inspection will result in people getting kicked for not having gold BIS meta gear.

Zordrage · July 2017

HELL NO.............. Last thing i want is getting insulted and kicked from places because my gear even tough THATS EXACTLY WHY IM THERE to get beter gear !!!!!

Also gear wont tell you what abilities you use and how so they wont be able to tell if the gear on you actualy good or not for you stat wise.......