What next? Scroll which will automatically unlock all traits on every armor piece and every weapon?
Being a master crafter lost its value.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i can see the crown store description already

the perfect research tool for the spoiled brat who want everything & wants it now because they are too impatient to put the smallest amount of effort in to anything but want all the rewards!

Gonna have to stop you there on that one mate. I've played this game for nearly a year, I'm close to being max cp but I am no where near getting all 9 traits. As of now it would take me a month to complete the last 3 in woodworking.. it will be more than likely another 3 or 4 months for the clothing and blacksmithing.

I think the problem here is that most people don't have all the time in the world to research traits they're likely never going to use. The only joke here is they'd prefer to introduce another 'crown store item' rather than improve the current system.

puffytheslayer wrote: »

the perfect research tool for the spoiled brat who want everything & wants it now because they are too impatient to put the smallest amount of effort in to anything but want all the rewards!

puffytheslayer wrote: »

i know how long it takes to research items actually mate, because i have full 9 traits on 2 characters.

Meh. 9 trait isn't really a big deal anymore, and it hasn't been for over a year. There are thousands of players who have it, and it's not hard to find someone nice that will craft for new players for free or for optional tips. Just join a trade guild, ask in chat, and someone will get you that spiffy TBS set you want in under an hour.

Research times have always been kind of an asinine game mechanic. What kind of effort does it take to log in once every week or two, buy some cheap research gear, start research, and then log off again? Sure it takes some consistency to do efficiently, but it mostly just takes *waiting*, which you can do while not even playing the game! This is supposed to be a game, not a gold watch you get for 15 years on the job.

And then there's the price of these scrolls. Over $1,000 to level all research lines instantaneously? I just don't see that many people taking that deal, and crown crates are liable to be even more craptastic of a deal.

Ugh...

Not a fan of this if it goes live but whatever, I jumped through my hoops to get where I am and at least I did it for free.
At this point marketing's gonna market so I have no energy to fight them any more.

I'm really against this.

One day there will be new traits added to the game and crown items like this will give an inestimable advantage. People who buy and use a few of these scrolls will be the only ones using the new traits and making a fortune selling them to others for snail paced research (remember that master writ research scrolls reduce my a small amount and have a long cool-down).

I didn't like how the current research scrolls were slipped into the game, but giving them an affordable in-game master writ price made it slightly more palatable. These new scrolls are too powerful to have an accessible in-game equivalent, and I am against anything that is P2W.

I hope zos realise that the meagre income they get from these scrolls will cost them a lot of community goodwill. I believe many long term players will leave the game when P2W takes hold.

silvereyes wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

TBH, if you've got the money, but not the time, I don't have a problem with a player buying their traits.

Players can already buy the instant 1 day research scrolls for 400 crowns each. It's ridiculously expensive, though. I think it's somewhere in the ballpark of 231,000 crowns to level all research lines that way. That's over $1,000 US, even grabbing crowns on sale.

I want to be clear about something, because I was wrong about this and I've seen some posts here and on reddit that got this wrong too.

There's nothing magically different about these 15 day scrolls on PTS vs the 1 day scrolls you can already buy in the Crown Store for 400 crowns each. You could buy 15x 1 day scrolls today for 6,000 crowns and get the same exact functionality. ZOS already crossed the "better than what you can get in-game" line over a month ago.

PTS has not removed a cooldown from the Crown Store research scrolls. The Crown Store research scrolls on live already have no cooldown. This fact is not clear on the live servers because the only thing to indicate this is the lack of the same cooldown tooltip that the in-game scrolls have.

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

I'm really against this.

One day there will be new traits added to the game and crown items like this will give an inestimable advantage. People who buy and use a few of these scrolls will be the only ones using the new traits and making a fortune selling them to others for snail paced research (remember that master writ research scrolls reduce my a small amount and have a long cool-down).

I didn't like how the current research scrolls were slipped into the game, but giving them an affordable in-game master writ price made it slightly more palatable. These new scrolls are too powerful to have an accessible in-game equivalent, and I am against anything that is P2W.

I hope zos realise that the meagre income they get from these scrolls will cost them a lot of community goodwill. I believe many long term players will leave the game when P2W takes hold.

If they do introduce new traits, I'm fairly certain the trait timers will be adjusted accordingly, similar as to how CP increases cause the earlier levels to take less exp to achieve, getting all traits will still take the same amount of time, with the earlier traits getting shorter research times.

Mettaricana wrote: »

I dont see an issue javing access to all traits doesnt make you god. Could buy all traits and insta research them all and still be a garbage player... not like it goves you anything but a bragging right and with crafted sets still forgotten every update not much for concern in terms of being pay to win

It's not so much a buy to win thing, although I guess it depends on one's definition of "win". It certainly doesn't unlock anything you can't buy from other players to provide a combat advantage.

From what I've seen so far, the three biggest problems I've seen are as follows:

• People will be able to buy their way to a status that is usually reserved for long-time veterans of the game. "Master Crafter" is kind of an unofficial title that the community has reserved for those with all level 50, 9 trait crafters. How would you feel if people could purchase "Flawless Conqueror" or "Former Emperor" titles from the Crown Store? Or what about being able to buy the loyalty reward tiger mount or beta monkey?
• Just like the horse-riding lessons, the availability of these scrolls breaks a longstanding tradition ZOS has of in-game consumables being stronger than or equal to those in the Crown Store. That was one of the things ZOS bent over backwards to assure people of when the game went B2P and had potions and food in the store. To many, the scrolls and riding lessons represent a broken promise by ZOS.
• Unlike the horse lessons that cost 18,000 crowns ($85 with sale crowns) to max out, research scrolls would take over 230,000 crowns to get all 9 traits on everything. On the one hand, that's good because it is so overpriced, few people will ever take advantage of it. On the other hand, it gives a privileged status to those that can afford to drop $1k on crafting research, letting them unlock parts of the game with their giant wallets instantaneously that all other players have to wait a year to achieve.

The first 6 researched traits come by relatively quickly, the 7th and 8th takes a lot longer with the 9th trait taking the longest. So, when you finally got all 9 traits for all gears types / weapons .. that WAS a huge achievement ... an accomplishment to be proud of. Even though ZOS didn't see fit to provide us with an official 'master crafter' title (which they should have IMO) ... you could actually call yourself a master crafter and it meant something.

I know some people will say 'it's only crafting ... what's the big deal" ...

I remember back a while there was a poll on the forums that asked what was the most noteworthy achievement in the game (or words to that effect). I think master angler came out on top, or was one of the top. Why? It is a huge time sink that requires a heck of a lot of patience and dedication ... and we all know it (i.e., the achievement / title means something in the community)

So, what if there were scrolls in the crown store that gave the user a 300% increase in catching rare fish. Would that be fair to all those folks who actually 'earned' their way to becoming a master angler?

Or, what if they put the Ruby Throne as something you could get in a crown crate? Or, what if they put the emperor's regalia costume up for sale in the crown store (after all, it IS the armor you get to wear when fighting Molag Ball in Cold Harbor). I could put in a lot of "what if's" ... but the bottom line is that it sucks when the (intrinsic) value of what you worked so hard for is, in essence, undermined with a PTW.

Perhaps if ZOS gave us crafters an official title for achieving the master crafter status WITHOUT the use of any crafting/research scroll AND created a unique furnishing item for us to purchase in the game (i.e., like the boat for master angler, or the ruby throne for achieving emperor .... etc.,), then we would have something to show for our hard work, making these crafting/research scrolls less of an issue.

The official title of 'master crafter' would be for achieving all 9 traits in all gear types and weapons (again, without the use of crafting/research scrolls).

... anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I'm fine with this. If people want to throw money at a game instead of playing it, go for it. I'd rather know I unlocked things.

I get personal satisfaction knowing I completed content. People being able to buy it has no bearing on my accomplishments.

Just make the scrolls really expensive.

To be honest, I actually don't like that people who are new to the game have to wait a year to catch up to old players in terms of getting master writs to drop. If there is no way to grind to catch up, than I guess paying to catch up is the other option.

Love these types of micro transactions. ZOS please add more things like this for us gamers with limited time.

As far as I'm concerned they are going more towards pay to win than I would like. I don't really mind the 1 day scrolls with a cooldown that you can earn/buy in game, but the crown store is a bit much. Even if it would be insanely expensive to research everything with the crown scrolls. What worries me is the fact they seem to be pushing the boundaries even more. It's just one more step towards buying gear or other items equivalent to or better than what we can get in game from the crown store.

As a nine trait crafter myself I'm not completely against lowering total research times. As a matter of fact if ZOS wants to make more money just increase the bonus to research time from ESO+ by a larger amount. It would give even more value to ESO+ and a great incentive to stay subbed and would probably get even more people to sub. Unfortunately the damage has already been done.

Most of all I just wish they would make crafting in general more rewarding. Revamp unused crafted sets, buff those that already have potential, and have other ways to get rewards from crafting other than writs and master writs. Housing was a good start, but there needs to be more. The transomgrification system will be nice, but it would also be cool if there was a way to use crafting to change weapon/armor traits.

If Master Crafter means something again this would make sense. I.e. Let only crafted items go to CP180, BOOM, back in in Business. Or jewelry crafting I guess.

Otherwise this just devalues something that last its value anyway