Spriggan + (one of) Viper / Hunding / Automaton / etc + Selene or Velidreth

Weapon traits would be both Sharpened (BIS) or Precise. Weapons are maces or daggers (BIS if sharpened).

Thief mundus for sure.

vMaick wrote: »

Sharpened on backbar 100%, since it carries over when you weapon swap with a single target dot (poison injection) therefore strengthening that ability on the front bar. I suppose 1 infused and 1 precise on front bar would be the best.

No it doesn't at all. The trait with the bar you are on dictates the current damage being dealt. Back bar is quite irrelevant in many ways.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

vMaick wrote: »

Sharpened on backbar 100%, since it carries over when you weapon swap with a single target dot (poison injection) therefore strengthening that ability on the front bar. I suppose 1 infused and 1 precise on front bar would be the best.

No it doesn't at all. The trait with the bar you are on dictates the current damage being dealt. Back bar is quite irrelevant in many ways.

This is true only for ground based dots. These calculate their damage on every tick and change as your character stats change.

Debuff based dots (Poison injection, rending slashes etc.) are completely static and their damage is calculated at the moment of landing at target and does not change when your characters stats change during dot duration.

The gap is much smaller now. Precise probably beats sharpened and nirnhoned by 1.2-1.5% in a perfectly run trial group, with TR from healer synergies, 4-5 warhorns per minute and full debuffs on boss. That's basically 5-600 DPS for someone who does 40K normally. It's well within the margin of error for parses on target skeleton. Basically there's no universal BiS anymore, just various equally viable trait/CP/mundus combos.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The number crunchers are still looking at it. It's not just looking at the traits but also mundus since both change and there is some overlap.

It's likely to be between sharp and precise. Infused may make it for a weapon on one bar. DW will be more complicated.

Infused is definitely BiS for trial setups if you have a vMA bow and are using DW on main bar. Infused buffs the enchant of the vMA bow (my Endless Hail does almost 10k DPS on a dummy). And my Poison enchant deals over 2.5k DPS. So Infused is totally a must have on the Main Hand weapon on every single class that uses DW and a vMA bow.

Precise or Sharp on the off-hand and back bar. I'm personally leaning towards Precise on Stamblade as I've been getting the highest results with it (48k on the stamblade with 250 ping is pretty decent). As far as the mundus stone goes, its either the Lover or the Shadow. Very similar results and out of the 20 tests I did with each mundus stone (while keeping the same traits) I had very similar average DPS: 45662 with the Lover and 45670 with the Shadow. Then again, there is never such a thing as BiS for every single occasion, especially on a stamina build. You're not going to use the same traits and mundus in vMA/vDSA as you're going to be using in vHoF/vMoL.

Another annoying thing with Sharpened is that you have to keep penetration equal on both bars or you're wasting potential DPS. Since Infused is a must-have on the Main Hand, you have 1.3k less penetration on the front bar than on the back bar, meaning that whenever you're reapplying the Bow DoTs, you're over-penetrating, aka losing DPS. So that's another advantage of Precise over Sharpened in trials.

In vMA Sharpened is almost bound to be BiS due to the fact that mob resistances are not normalized and only 3 stages have bosses with 18k penetration (3 stages with 12k and 3 stages with 9k).

So I doubt that there will be a general BiS trait/mundus setup. Things will vary depending on the content you do.

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

So what's the verdict? I realize there are a few options now but has anyone tested enough to feel like they know what they are going to be using next patch?

I'm thinking about using Automaton so was thinking 1 infused + 1 precise + a precise bow and the lover mundus or 1 sharp + 1 infused + a sharp bow and the thief or shadow mundus.

What's everyone else planning on using?

Currently testing 5x Automaton and 5x VO, liking the results so far. I previously ran Spriggans in place of Auto, but got tired of the setup so decided to try some other stuff.

Anyway, I run 3 jewelry Automaton, 1 infused axe and 1 precise dagger. Ideal? No, but still effective. The dream would be to have 2 VO daggers so that the 5 pc Automaton buff is maintained on my backbar

Megabear wrote: »

humpalicous wrote: »

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

So what's the verdict? I realize there are a few options now but has anyone tested enough to feel like they know what they are going to be using next patch?

I'm thinking about using Automaton so was thinking 1 infused + 1 precise + a precise bow and the lover mundus or 1 sharp + 1 infused + a sharp bow and the thief or shadow mundus.

What's everyone else planning on using?

Currently testing 5x Automaton and 5x VO, liking the results so far. I previously ran Spriggans in place of Auto, but got tired of the setup so decided to try some other stuff.

Anyway, I run 3 jewelry Automaton, 1 infused axe and 1 precise dagger. Ideal? No, but still effective. The dream would be to have 2 VO daggers so that the 5 pc Automaton buff is maintained on my backbar

With Lover penetrating all of your enemies Automaton might be a good replacement for Spriggan due to possible over penetration..

can someone please come up with a meme or something for this... "Lover penetrating" and "over penetration" I just can't carry on

Why Spriggan guys? Its a pretty terrible set in comparison to TFS, especially with the buff to crit stats.

overclocker303b14_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Why Spriggan guys? Its a pretty terrible set in comparison to TFS, especially with the buff to crit stats.

It is a lot easier to come by than TFS for newer players. Plus you can get purple jewelry and a bow pretty easily so it makes a good set until you get a vMA bow. NMG is better but a waste if you have more than 1 person using it in a trial...and you can't craft jewelry which means you are stuck with blue TFS jewelry until you get into vet trials if you go that route...

Well... Its a bit hard to talk about BiS setups without including TFS in the conversion ^^

Masel92 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

vMaick wrote: »

Sharpened on backbar 100%, since it carries over when you weapon swap with a single target dot (poison injection) therefore strengthening that ability on the front bar. I suppose 1 infused and 1 precise on front bar would be the best.

No it doesn't at all. The trait with the bar you are on dictates the current damage being dealt. Back bar is quite irrelevant in many ways.

It does. Weapon damage, penetration, stamina, all that is determine on the impact bar and lasts for the whole duration of the single target dot.

Critical chance for example does not, therefore Sharpened or Nirn are best for your back bar, so that poison injection hits as hard as it can. Sharpened is depending on the level of penetration you have without it. May personal preference would be infused main hand, precise off hand, Nirnhoned vMA bow back bar and then 5 TFS, lover/shadow mundus stone and 5 hundings or vicious ophidian with domihaus monster set (that one is really cool, really good AoE and single target potential for stamina).

But in the end all of those traits and munduses very very close to each other.

A friend of mine hits hardest with warrior mundus, hundings/TFS, velidreth and infused main Hand and precise offhand.

@Masel92

The Warrior? On which class and how much? I agree with the gear, I hit hardest on stamplar and stamblade with the same setup, bar the Velidreth as I only have Kra'gh or Selene on the templates. However mundus stone wise, on stamblade highest peak damage was Shadow (48k) and the highest average of 20 tests was with either Shadow or Lover (45670 and 45662 respectively). Best results on Stamplar were with the Lover so far (most likely due to the fact that PotL can't crit, which makes the Shadow a bit less appealing).

I agree with the front bar traits, not so much with the back bar traits though. Swap cancelling Poison Injection makes the front bar the impact bar, so in the end the only DoT affected by the back bar is the first 6 sec of Rearming Trap. The most logical order of applying the back bar DoTs is Trap > Hail > Caltrops > Injection, due to the fact that Hail lasts 11.5 and Caltrops lasts 12, considering the fact that Hail has a delay before it starts ticking, both abilities starts dealing damage at roughly the same time, maximizing the burst while applying them. So Injection is the last skill you should be casting on the Bow bar either way for max damage on all you back bar DoTs. Trap has to be cast first in order for Minor Force to be active when Hail and Caltrops start ticking. So in the end, the back bar trait doesn't matter at all and you should be aiming to maximize the damage of the few ticks that hapoen while you're on the back bar reapplying DoTs. Sharpened is out of the picture because your penetration becomes uneven on the bars meaning that you're wasting DPS (because you're overpenetrating) that leaves Precise and Nirn. Precise is better.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Why Spriggan guys? Its a pretty terrible set in comparison to TFS, especially with the buff to crit stats.

Agree. I'd expect TFS to remain BiS.

While penetration isn't as important by itself, it is still very valuable. Due to the fact that its more rare now, TFS is BiS because of high amount of penetration it gives.

acw37162 wrote: »

Precise Maces just for quite a bit stronger.

Maces are probably the worst of the 4 weapon types... That isn't changing with this patch.