Enough With the Nightblade Nonsense

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

I'm so damn tired of reading people complaining and whining about Nightblades. Nightblades are so weak this. Nightblades have trash DPS that. Nightblades too squishy to excel at doing this. My Nightblade can't kill that.

Ugh! Enough!

If Nightblades are so damn weak, then why is it that Nightblades were the first class to hit a 600k score in VMA? Why is it that the whole: Viper, Selene, etc. proc nonsense spiraled out of control from ProcBlades? Why do I always see more Nightblades in Cyrodiil and asking to duel people, than any other class? Why is it that VMA is dramatically more easier with a Nightblade than any other class? Why does a Nightblade have access to: High mobility with NO penalty, an execute, the ability to go in and out of stealth at will causing crap to miss, the highest burst damage whether magicka or stamina, etc. if they are so bad? Why are people STILL as of July 2017 still recommending to new players to make Nightblades, if they are such a weak and trashy class? Why can I sustain dramatically better on a Nightblade, than I can on a Sorc or DK? And heal better? Why are Nightblades able to have access to pets, when they already have numerous tools to deal with things? Meanwhile DK's and Templars don't even have mobility and or an execute. Yet Nightblades have them in spades? Why doesn't any other class have any berserk buffs? Why are Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild DLC's pretty much aimed at strictly Nightblades, because of their stealth benefits?

Right. Because at the end of the day, Nightblades are not in that bad of a shape as the forums like to parrot and whine about that they are in. Be it PvE or PvP. What it is, is that there are more Nightblades than anyone else. And because it is the assassin/rogue class, it gains it's popularity. Thus attracting more people to it. And because it is such a favorite, you want it constantly buffed and buffed until the point it gets completely out of hand.

In other words... You Nightblade whiners are literally the D.VA and Genji players, if this were Overwatch. You whine all day on the forums about how weak you are, and how certain things are so op until they get killed off entirely like Roadhog. Or in this case, Dragonknights or Sorcs. You will not be satisfied until those 2 classes are dead. Completely null and void of any type of fields of success. And I hate it. I don't dislike it. I hate it. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by the bs. It's been going on for months, and the devs have been back after back entertaining that crap for far too long. You want to whine and complain about something? Whine and complain about why it is that Wardens are a brand new class, and how all three tantrum after tantrum until the devs made them trash damage dealers. And sub-optimal healers to Templars. Whine about that. /EndRant /Logoff

Foxic · July 2017

Can I whine about this ridiculous and unnecessary post?

I rather like nightblade for pvp so I have no complaints there. And while magblade are in a better spot for pve than they have been in awhile, they're far from being a good pick. This is coming from someone who has 100 days on a pve magblade and have competed for world trial scores with it.

anathosdm · July 2017

NBs weren t 1st at 600k...

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

@Strider_Roshin Could tell you a couple of things StamNB is lacking. They lack quite a few things compared to other classes in PvE and are not nearly as desirable in group play.

StamNB gets the most mileage out of those proc sets we can agree on that. However I guarantee you they have quite the learning curve when it comes to PvP, and not using those proc sets. Me personally, I've been there, done that even in PC patch 1.5! Was horrid honestly.

I do believe StamNB and MagNB need their soap boxes to debate and discuss the problems the class has. Because they are numerous and we need to make these play styles better in all aspects of play.

Duxes · July 2017

OMG stop whining and just go play the game. I honestly don't see how you get anything done in game with as much time you spend on here bringing up unnecessary drama.

Chadak · July 2017

Tryxus · July 2017

Keep on fishing Champ

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

Duxes wrote: »

OMG stop whining and just go play the game. I honestly don't see how you get anything done in game with as much time you spend on here bringing up unnecessary drama.

I bring unneeded drama? Have you not seen the Nightblade whine threads back after back?

Answer this. And not just you, anyone here.

Vicious Death and Eye of the Storm got out of hand because of which class...? Actually, before Eye of the Storm. Just VD. It was because of which class nuking groups? Nightblades. Yep. That's right. Wasn't Sorcerer doing it. Damn sure wasn't DK's or Templars. And Wardens weren't out yet. It was Nightblades. Even had a term created just for them called "Bomb-Blades". They're still at an all-time high. And with Eye of the Storm also having been released, they really are everywhere. Yes or no?

Proc sets. Got out of hand, because of which class? Sure Sorcs got annoying with the whole Infernal Guardian, yes, yes. Very cute. But which class really took advantage of proc sets the most, and ultimately had proc sets hit hard? Nightblades. Why? Because Viper being able to crit alongside other proc sets was too much. And even with proc sets being able to crit, Selene and Viper on ProcBlades are still at beyond the standard play for StamBlades. Yes or no? And don't you dare sit there and lie, and say it was because of: StamBlades, StamDK's, StamPlars, or StamDens making the most out of the proc sets. Because they weren't. Were they using them? Absolutely. But were those classes anywhere NEAR as lethal with them as Nightblades? No.

You go get me ANY class that can nuke someone as fast as a Nightblade. Any class. Magicka or stamina. And is extremely beginner friendly while doing so. And I'll happily take back my words. Because I know for a fact, and I know that you know Nightblades excel at it and forever will. They are based on it.

Call it like you see it. Stop playing favorites. Deadass disgusted by it. Let me actually logout before I snap, and start wilding and cussing.

InFernalEntity · July 2017

NightBlade is beginner friendly? This has to be a troll.

rhapsodious · July 2017

I know I'm taking the bait but I can't help it.

You go get me ANY class that can nuke someone as fast as a Nightblade. Any class. Magicka or stamina. And is extremely beginner friendly while doing so.

Stamblades are notoriously squishy as hell and Vigor is a requirement. (I don't know if Leeching Strikes rework changed this significantly, but pre-Morrowind that was definitely true) So uh.

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

Vicious Death and Eye of the Storm got out of hand because of which class...? Actually, before Eye of the Storm. Just VD. It was because of which class nuking groups? Nightblades. Yep. That's right. Wasn't Sorcerer doing it. Damn sure wasn't DK's or Templars.

Have you seen SillyGamerTag_'s DK or Zeus' DK? Both use EoTS on their DK's and I've seen both wreck groups with it.

Publius_Scipio · July 2017

I've been saying for a long time now, NBs can be (very) strong if using the meta or a very close variation of the meta. NBs in my opinion don't have the same breadth of viability that the other classes (not sure about wardens) have. Templar for example can be pretty strong in PvE and PvP even if not running some super optimized meta. NBs unfortunately are either benefiting from regen/sustain meta or they aren't. And if they aren't NBs, especially stam, are not impressive in PvE and in PvP won't be able to do anything to these tanky DKs, templars, mag sorcs. It's meta or die for most NBs.

But again, if you are running the meta NBs will have many people they kill saying they are "op" and annoying. Quite frankly a lot of the NBs I see around now are very similar. Not a lot of variation.

badmojo · July 2017

What I hate are the nightblades in Cyrodiil who cowardly stealth up leaving thier allies to die. I could understand if they were going to place a forward camp or had to run to defend something but usually they just stand there.....doing nothing.....waiting for an easy kill. But kills dont win the alliance war. Stealth focused nb pvpers are a waste of a slot imo.

ParaNostram · July 2017

The nightblade posts are all a bunch of people who rolled them thinking they would perform like in the handpicked clips from youtubers and streamers of them doing impressive stuff only for them to crash and burn when they try it. They lose fights and think it isn't because they haven't mastered the class yet, it must be the game is unbalanced against nightblades!

theflawlessteabagger · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm so damn tired of reading people complaining and whining about Nightblades. Nightblades are so weak this. Nightblades have trash DPS that. Nightblades too squishy to excel at doing this. My Nightblade can't kill that.

Ugh! Enough!

If Nightblades are so damn weak, then why is it that Nightblades were the first class to hit a 600k score in VMA? Why is it that the whole: Viper, Selene, etc. proc nonsense spiraled out of control from ProcBlades? Why do I always see more Nightblades in Cyrodiil and asking to duel people, than any other class? Why is it that VMA is dramatically more easier with a Nightblade than any other class? Why does a Nightblade have access to: High mobility with NO penalty, an execute, the ability to go in and out of stealth at will causing crap to miss, the highest burst damage whether magicka or stamina, etc. if they are so bad? Why are people STILL as of July 2017 still recommending to new players to make Nightblades, if they are such a weak and trashy class? Why can I sustain dramatically better on a Nightblade, than I can on a Sorc or DK? And heal better? Why are Nightblades able to have access to pets, when they already have numerous tools to deal with things? Meanwhile DK's and Templars don't even have mobility and or an execute. Yet Nightblades have them in spades? Why doesn't any other class have any berserk buffs? Why are Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild DLC's pretty much aimed at strictly Nightblades, because of their stealth benefits?

Right. Because at the end of the day, Nightblades are not in that bad of a shape as the forums like to parrot and whine about that they are in. Be it PvE or PvP. What it is, is that there are more Nightblades than anyone else. And because it is the assassin/rogue class, it gains it's popularity. Thus attracting more people to it. And because it is such a favorite, you want it constantly buffed and buffed until the point it gets completely out of hand.

In other words... You Nightblade whiners are literally the D.VA and Genji players, if this were Overwatch. You whine all day on the forums about how weak you are, and how certain things are so op until they get killed off entirely like Roadhog. Or in this case, Dragonknights or Sorcs. You will not be satisfied until those 2 classes are dead. Completely null and void of any type of fields of success. And I hate it. I don't dislike it. I hate it. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by the bs. It's been going on for months, and the devs have been back after back entertaining that crap for far too long. You want to whine and complain about something? Whine and complain about why it is that Wardens are a brand new class, and how all three tantrum after tantrum until the devs made them trash damage dealers. And sub-optimal healers to Templars. Whine about that. /EndRant /Logoff

Sounds like u get killed by alot of nightblades

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2017

Golden opportunity lost to whine about Champ whining, about whining nightblades, whining.

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I've been saying for a long time now, NBs can be (very) strong if using the meta or a very close variation of the meta. NBs in my opinion don't have the same breadth of viability that the other classes (not sure about wardens) have. Templar for example can be pretty strong in PvE and PvP even if not running some super optimized meta. NBs unfortunately are either benefiting from regen/sustain meta or they aren't. And if they aren't NBs, especially stam, are not impressive in PvE and in PvP won't be able to do anything to these tanky DKs, templars, mag sorcs. It's meta or die for most NBs.

But again, if you are running the meta NBs will have many people they kill saying they are "op" and annoying. Quite frankly a lot of the NBs I see around now are very similar. Not a lot of variation.

Right, because we don't have the luxury to build towards anything not considered meta. Not without seriously gimping ourselves in the process.

We have some of the most powerful buffs that assist only us which is OK, but also our biggest weakness. We absolutely have to use 1 ability, cloak to pull out this tool set. So all of our play-styles basically focus on, whether or not I'm going to slot and use cloak -- both offensively and defensively.

Kaymorolis · July 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

I know I'm taking the bait but I can't help it.

You go get me ANY class that can nuke someone as fast as a Nightblade. Any class. Magicka or stamina. And is extremely beginner friendly while doing so.

Stamblades are notoriously squishy as hell and Vigor is a requirement. (I don't know if Leeching Strikes rework changed this significantly, but pre-Morrowind that was definitely true) So uh.

Yes, IMO Leeching Strikes helped A LOT.

Enslaved · July 2017

Thread name : ANOTHER UNORIGINAL BULLSHIET

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

Kaymorolis wrote: »

rhapsodious wrote: »

I know I'm taking the bait but I can't help it.

You go get me ANY class that can nuke someone as fast as a Nightblade. Any class. Magicka or stamina. And is extremely beginner friendly while doing so.

Stamblades are notoriously squishy as hell and Vigor is a requirement. (I don't know if Leeching Strikes rework changed this significantly, but pre-Morrowind that was definitely true) So uh.

Yes, IMO Leeching Strikes helped A LOT.

Co-signed my agree onto this. The fact that we can stack Rally Heals, Leeching, Vigor is a very nice boon for us. This way we can use Leeching to continuously attack our target to get heals(which is what we want so we don't die), then get assist heals from Rally/Vigor. It ups our survivalibilty, not a whole lot, but definitely a plus to slot Leeching.

Rex-Umbra · July 2017

NB has some abilities that are very weak and certain playstyles lack the necessary tools to perform optimally.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

Of course OP spouts off PvP nonsense as the reason why NB's are "strong", completely missing the point about NB's being in a less than useful state in PvE. PvP does't matter because in that highly restricted environment you burst down the enemy in 2-3 secs, at which point sustain no longer matters.

In PvE, a fight lasts several minutes and there are FAR more targets to deal with at a time. Also, in PvP all non-NB players are in zergs so sustain isn't a problem because you have 20+ people firing at your target with you so everything dies instantly.

MDiCaro · July 2017

Meh

Sylosi · July 2017

InFernalEntity wrote: »

NightBlade is beginner friendly? This has to be a troll.

If you want to do solo/duo in Cyrodil then by far the most forgiving style of play is ganking, when you can gank on a class that can also pretty easily disengage if the gank fails then well, it is simply laughably ez-mode, and very beginner friendly, and also a fine example of why PvP in most MMORPGs is regarded as a joke.

Phinix1 · July 2017

In my experience PVP in ANY MMO is a joke. It's a total gank and spank.

The sad reality of our gaming generation is that most people are totally insecure and don't want challenge or thought in PVP. They want to copy some cookie cutter "I win" build and mash their ego inflate button.

Obsession with competition over accomplishment. Quantity over quality. Feeling good because someone else feels bad not because they actually did anything of any merit. That is the MMO world we live in. Petty, lazy, and totally immature. In other words, not a good time.

Not to single out nightblade players, I'm sure there are some decent ones. But the reality is that in any MMO you play, the vast majority of PVP players will gravitate towards whatever class allows them to copy that cookie cutter "I win" and gank with no contest the easiest.

Then when ANYTHING turns up that causes their mashing to take more than one opening salvo of muscle-memory, they are the loudest most obnoxious whiners you ever heard. They will literally DDoD the forum servers with whine threads until the devs are forced to put a sweet treat in their mouth just to shut them up for a while.

It's why I refuse to even try to make PVP work. There is no way to make it work. It is a totally uninspired gank and spank with absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of fun or entertainment.

Why do people gank crafters and other defenseless people that post NO CHALLENGE and require NO SKILL just going about their day doing what THEY find fun? Not because they're skilled or enjoy skilled paly. Why do people camp quest givers? Why do people spam duel invites to tank builds or people obviously not set up to PVP? Why do people go out of their way to find ANY way they can to grief?

Because lots of people just suck, and in 10 years of MMO's I have found that 90% of these people are PVP players. Objective and honest, take it with a grain of salt.

ofSunhold · July 2017

What are you even talking about? There are more people complaining about their wardens atm than people unhappy with where NB is at. There are always a lot more people whining about NBs than NBs whining. And lots of people believe their favored class has it the hardest -- you even see sorcs make that argument ffs. Why single out NBs?

An interesting thing I've noticed though: DKs don't complain much about their class. Even when they have good cause. I keep trying to come up with a working theory about why this is, but so far it's just a mystery.

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2017

InFernalEntity wrote: »

NightBlade is beginner friendly? This has to be a troll.

First and 2nd Solo outtings on a Nightblade.

https://youtu.be/wtwSDDzKnHY

https://youtu.be/wzts-wD8dKg

That's with nearly no experience, nor video watching time.

Any other class, I'd be dead dead dead dead 0 - 20 solo.

So yeah Proc/Bomb-Blades are highly noob friendly and takes little to no actually knowledge of the class to be somewhat successful with it.

Nightblades, is ESO's version of Summoner from Blade and Soul. Only difference is in ESO. Nightblades has overlapping features to cover up it's drawbacks, and risk of death.

Enjoy

I might be back to speak to you guys next week. MAYBE

Idinuse · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm so damn tired of reading people complaining and whining about Nightblades. Nightblades are so weak this. Nightblades have trash DPS that. Nightblades too squishy to excel at doing this. My Nightblade can't kill that.

Ugh! Enough!

If Nightblades are so damn weak, then why is it that Nightblades were the first class to hit a 600k score in VMA? Why is it that the whole: Viper, Selene, etc. proc nonsense spiraled out of control from ProcBlades? Why do I always see more Nightblades in Cyrodiil and asking to duel people, than any other class? Why is it that VMA is dramatically more easier with a Nightblade than any other class? Why does a Nightblade have access to: High mobility with NO penalty, an execute, the ability to go in and out of stealth at will causing crap to miss, the highest burst damage whether magicka or stamina, etc. if they are so bad? Why are people STILL as of July 2017 still recommending to new players to make Nightblades, if they are such a weak and trashy class? Why can I sustain dramatically better on a Nightblade, than I can on a Sorc or DK? And heal better? Why are Nightblades able to have access to pets, when they already have numerous tools to deal with things? Meanwhile DK's and Templars don't even have mobility and or an execute. Yet Nightblades have them in spades? Why doesn't any other class have any berserk buffs? Why are Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild DLC's pretty much aimed at strictly Nightblades, because of their stealth benefits?

Right. Because at the end of the day, Nightblades are not in that bad of a shape as the forums like to parrot and whine about that they are in. Be it PvE or PvP. What it is, is that there are more Nightblades than anyone else. And because it is the assassin/rogue class, it gains it's popularity. Thus attracting more people to it. And because it is such a favorite, you want it constantly buffed and buffed until the point it gets completely out of hand.

In other words... You Nightblade whiners are literally the D.VA and Genji players, if this were Overwatch. You whine all day on the forums about how weak you are, and how certain things are so op until they get killed off entirely like Roadhog. Or in this case, Dragonknights or Sorcs. You will not be satisfied until those 2 classes are dead. Completely null and void of any type of fields of success. And I hate it. I don't dislike it. I hate it. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by the bs. It's been going on for months, and the devs have been back after back entertaining that crap for far too long. You want to whine and complain about something? Whine and complain about why it is that Wardens are a brand new class, and how all three tantrum after tantrum until the devs made them trash damage dealers. And sub-optimal healers to Templars. Whine about that. /EndRant /Logoff

Soleya · July 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

It's why I refuse to even try to make PVP work. There is no way to make it work. It is a totally uninspired gank and spank with absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of fun or entertainment.

Why do people gank crafters and other defenseless people that post NO CHALLENGE and require NO SKILL just going about their day doing what THEY find fun? Not because they're skilled or enjoy skilled paly. Why do people camp quest givers? Why do people spam duel invites to tank builds or people obviously not set up to PVP? Why do people go out of their way to find ANY way they can to grief?

This is the reason I like Non-Vet PVP. WIthout CP, Proc and Monster sets it's almost impossible to successfully gank someone. Had plenty of people try, but they usually get wrecked after only taking about 1/3rd - 1/2 of your health.

I also agree on the duel invites. Got challenged once while i was setup as healer and only had 2 damage abilities on my bars (Shards and RD). It was funny when I actually won by heavy attacking the other guy to death with a resto staff.

SilverWF · July 2017

NB is a weak class, this is true.
In PVE it's FAR behind Sorc and Templar, in PVP - FAR behind Sorc

That ones, who recommend NB for newbies - ARE trolls.

Me, as experienced player, always recommend mag sorc for any newbie.

Takes-No-Prisoner · July 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

Me, as experienced player, always recommend mag sorc for any newbie.

I (re)made my MagSorc this past Christmas. While I was happy to bring on another addition to my 'alt'-family, getting through PvE content was much simpler.

If I also had to recommend a class to someone starting ESO fresh, it would arguably be MagSorc. This way they can have access to late end PvE and still be accessible to use in PvP without re-inventing the wheel. That's not a knock toward MagSorc in anyway, but if I'm a guy whose 'fresh off the boat' so to say, he'd make great use of his time doing the Sorc route first. Then go back and learn the rest of the classes later when he has more gold and experience.