Enough With the Nightblade Nonsense

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

We need to clarify things a bit - magblades are EASY mode gank and spank players. Press a couple buttons, he's dead. No real thought required.

However, try to do the same on a Stamblade, and its a VERY different experience. There, one slip and you are DEAD. That one slip gives the enemy a chance to respond, and thats all they need.

Stamblades are amazingly squishy - I run mine with Dubious Camoran throne - and I still only have 13K health.

In PvE, a Magblade can faceroll the content. They don't even need to stealth or anything.

Uh....not so with a stamblade. Stamblades HAVE to run from stealth, those crits can make or break a multi-mob fight.

So, Magblades = No Skill

Stamblades = for the most experienced and determined to learn players only. Lots of skill required.

Universe · July 2017

SilverWF · July 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

So, Magblades = No Skill

Not fully agree with you.
Yes, mag NB is far easier than stam NB, but it's still require good rotation in PVE. And if compare with mag Sorc or Templar this will be "hard work" for NB and "steamroll" for Sorc or Templar

And I really love NB - I have 2 NBs on my acc, while any another classes are only in single version (with exclude of warden - I didn't have it at all, cos it sucks )

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

Phinix1 wrote: »

In my experience PVP in ANY MMO is a joke. It's a total gank and spank.

The sad reality of our gaming generation is that most people are totally insecure and don't want challenge or thought in PVP. They want to copy some cookie cutter "I win" build and mash their ego inflate button.

Obsession with competition over accomplishment. Quantity over quality. Feeling good because someone else feels bad not because they actually did anything of any merit. That is the MMO world we live in. Petty, lazy, and totally immature. In other words, not a good time.

Not to single out nightblade players, I'm sure there are some decent ones. But the reality is that in any MMO you play, the vast majority of PVP players will gravitate towards whatever class allows them to copy that cookie cutter "I win" and gank with no contest the easiest.

Then when ANYTHING turns up that causes their mashing to take more than one opening salvo of muscle-memory, they are the loudest most obnoxious whiners you ever heard. They will literally DDoD the forum servers with whine threads until the devs are forced to put a sweet treat in their mouth just to shut them up for a while.

It's why I refuse to even try to make PVP work. There is no way to make it work. It is a totally uninspired gank and spank with absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of fun or entertainment.

Why do people gank crafters and other defenseless people that post NO CHALLENGE and require NO SKILL just going about their day doing what THEY find fun? Not because they're skilled or enjoy skilled paly. Why do people camp quest givers? Why do people spam duel invites to tank builds or people obviously not set up to PVP? Why do people go out of their way to find ANY way they can to grief?

Because lots of people just suck, and in 10 years of MMO's I have found that 90% of these people are PVP players. Objective and honest, take it with a grain of salt.

@Phinix1 You sir clearly understood the gravity of everything, and responded perfectly. You are officially my new favorite person on the forums. Sorry @Tryxus but you've been replaced.

SilverWF · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

@Phinix1 You sir clearly understood the gravity of everything, and responded perfectly. You are officially my new favorite person on the forums. Sorry @Tryxus but you've been replaced.

WHAT? I wasn't on the list even? Damn!..

Artis · July 2017

Yeah OP you have no idea what you are talking about. At least READ those threads you are whining about?

No one is saying stamblades are weak. Yes, they oneshot. Well, it's not them, it's the procsets that oneshot. Every class specializing in stamina and wearing those sets can oneshot.

On the other hand, magicka nightblades - not so much. I got oneshotted by every class in a BG except for magicka NB. They just don't have the tools for that. And bringing up bombs and procs is not helping your case. Not everyone wants to gank, most players actually don't.

Now moving to PvE - NB is still in a bad spot. Once again, there is no reason to pick a NB if you can pick another DPS. They have no considerable group synergy. All the have is DPS, which is not the greatest. And to make up for the lack of synergy their DPS would need to be much higher than what other classes have.

Oh, and about maelstrom? VMA is absolutely irrelevant here, since it's solo content. It doesn't matter which class gets what score there - they only compete within the same class. Yes, NB have access to minor berserk that other classes don't have and have a little bit of self healing while attacking which is just enough for vMA. However, in group content minor berserk and heals are provided by healers anyway. And in PvP those hots won't save you from the burst damage.

Kodrac · July 2017

What about that @Rikkof kid that's always trolling for NB nerfs? He's comedy gold.

Tryxus · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

In my experience PVP in ANY MMO is a joke. It's a total gank and spank.

The sad reality of our gaming generation is that most people are totally insecure and don't want challenge or thought in PVP. They want to copy some cookie cutter "I win" build and mash their ego inflate button.

Obsession with competition over accomplishment. Quantity over quality. Feeling good because someone else feels bad not because they actually did anything of any merit. That is the MMO world we live in. Petty, lazy, and totally immature. In other words, not a good time.

Not to single out nightblade players, I'm sure there are some decent ones. But the reality is that in any MMO you play, the vast majority of PVP players will gravitate towards whatever class allows them to copy that cookie cutter "I win" and gank with no contest the easiest.

Then when ANYTHING turns up that causes their mashing to take more than one opening salvo of muscle-memory, they are the loudest most obnoxious whiners you ever heard. They will literally DDoD the forum servers with whine threads until the devs are forced to put a sweet treat in their mouth just to shut them up for a while.

It's why I refuse to even try to make PVP work. There is no way to make it work. It is a totally uninspired gank and spank with absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of fun or entertainment.

Why do people gank crafters and other defenseless people that post NO CHALLENGE and require NO SKILL just going about their day doing what THEY find fun? Not because they're skilled or enjoy skilled paly. Why do people camp quest givers? Why do people spam duel invites to tank builds or people obviously not set up to PVP? Why do people go out of their way to find ANY way they can to grief?

Because lots of people just suck, and in 10 years of MMO's I have found that 90% of these people are PVP players. Objective and honest, take it with a grain of salt.

@Phinix1 You sir clearly understood the gravity of everything, and responded perfectly. You are officially my new favorite person on the forums. Sorry @Tryxus but you've been replaced.

Publius_Scipio · July 2017

SilverWF wrote: »

NB is a weak class, this is true.
In PVE it's FAR behind Sorc and Templar, in PVP - FAR behind Sorc

That ones, who recommend NB for newbies - ARE trolls.

Me, as experienced player, always recommend mag sorc for any newbie.

I recommend templar for any brand new player.

Marabornwingrion · July 2017

Have you ever played a nightblade (in PvE end game content) before Morrowind?

QuebraRegra · July 2017

we need DOWNVOTING in here...

Balthyzar · July 2017

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

@Strider_Roshin Could tell you a couple of things StamNB is lacking. They lack quite a few things compared to other classes in PvE and are not nearly as desirable in group play.

StamNB gets the most mileage out of those proc sets we can agree on that. However I guarantee you they have quite the learning curve when it comes to PvP, and not using those proc sets. Me personally, I've been there, done that even in PC patch 1.5! Was horrid honestly.

I do believe StamNB and MagNB need their soap boxes to debate and discuss the problems the class has. Because they are numerous and we need to make these play styles better in all aspects of play.

Nightblades have a lot of strengths to them. We don't need to equip a means of major defense buffs due to Shadow Barrier, we have a great (although expensive) gap closer, a means of minor Berserk, and great spammables.

Now that I've listed their strengths, I'm going to discuss their negatives. Other than their major defense buffs via Shadow Barrier they have no reliable defense. You could say cloak is a great defense; which is true when it works, but overall it's pretty undependable. For instance if the majority of the abilities in the game ignored damage shields would you still consider shields to be a strong defense? Of course not. You could also argue that the minor protection you gain from Dark Cloak helps with mitigation; which would've been a valid argument if the duration wasn't pathetically small.

Nightblades also horribly lack group utility. Now magblades do offer off-healing but since the heal is small, and it only affects one additional person; it's really not worth mentioning. You could argue that Sap Essence is a solid heal, but a magblade wouldn't use this in any serious DPS role, and why use a magBlade healer when both Templars and wardens are far superior, and offer more group support. Now Nightblades do have strong ST damage in PvE but so do Sorcs, except they can achieve strong DPS from a distance as well, and with better Survivability.

Okay I could've been a lot more extensive with both of those sections, but I'm trying to avoid writing a book.

So I'm going to do a quick synopsis of their performance in both PvP and PvE.

PvP:

Stamblades are great noob slayers, but are easy AP for any experienced PvPer.

Magblades are annoying to fight, and great kiters, but are easily shut down by Templars, DKs, and Now Wardens since their main spammable can be reflected.

Nightblades in general are great at 1vX noob slaying, and have an amazing CC (without that CC that class would probably be dead in PvP).

PvE:

Nightblades are great damage dealers, but...
Magblades are outshined by sorcs in every way.
Stamblades outshine sorcs in melee range, but are out-DPS'd by sorcs at range, and have worse survivability.
And as a whole Nightblades probably have the most difficult rotation since it requires nothing short of perfection.

TL:DR Nightblades are essentially a worse version of a sorc.

My suggestions:

Increasing their survivability is easy. For one double the duration of Minor protection from Dark Cloak, Allow Consuming Darkness (and its morphs) to follow your character, and allow the heal from Siphoning Strikes and its morphs to scale from their respective attributes. Also increase the heal from Strife and its morphs.

Increasing group utility is also easy. Rather than Nightblades passively providing their group minor Savagery, make it Major. This with free up a slot from everyone's bar, and save on potions. Increase the number of group members healed from Funnel Health to 3, and have Power Extraction inflict enemies with Minor Vulnerability. On top of this make Death Stroke, and its morphs cause Major Vulnerability instead of a personal damage buff.

Also make Strife non-reflectable.

As far as how difficult it is to play a Nightblade goes. Magblades are cake in PvE, but difficult in PvP. Stamblades are very tough to be successful with in PvE, but it's pretty easy to be a procblade/gankblade; remove cloak, and proc sets and it's hard mode.

Dystopia2020 · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm so damn tired of reading people complaining and whining about Nightblades. Nightblades are so weak this. Nightblades have trash DPS that. Nightblades too squishy to excel at doing this. My Nightblade can't kill that.

Ugh! Enough!

If Nightblades are so damn weak, then why is it that Nightblades were the first class to hit a 600k score in VMA? Why is it that the whole: Viper, Selene, etc. proc nonsense spiraled out of control from ProcBlades? Why do I always see more Nightblades in Cyrodiil and asking to duel people, than any other class? Why is it that VMA is dramatically more easier with a Nightblade than any other class? Why does a Nightblade have access to: High mobility with NO penalty, an execute, the ability to go in and out of stealth at will causing crap to miss, the highest burst damage whether magicka or stamina, etc. if they are so bad? Why are people STILL as of July 2017 still recommending to new players to make Nightblades, if they are such a weak and trashy class? Why can I sustain dramatically better on a Nightblade, than I can on a Sorc or DK? And heal better? Why are Nightblades able to have access to pets, when they already have numerous tools to deal with things? Meanwhile DK's and Templars don't even have mobility and or an execute. Yet Nightblades have them in spades? Why doesn't any other class have any berserk buffs? Why are Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild DLC's pretty much aimed at strictly Nightblades, because of their stealth benefits?

Right. Because at the end of the day, Nightblades are not in that bad of a shape as the forums like to parrot and whine about that they are in. Be it PvE or PvP. What it is, is that there are more Nightblades than anyone else. And because it is the assassin/rogue class, it gains it's popularity. Thus attracting more people to it. And because it is such a favorite, you want it constantly buffed and buffed until the point it gets completely out of hand.

In other words... You Nightblade whiners are literally the D.VA and Genji players, if this were Overwatch. You whine all day on the forums about how weak you are, and how certain things are so op until they get killed off entirely like Roadhog. Or in this case, Dragonknights or Sorcs. You will not be satisfied until those 2 classes are dead. Completely null and void of any type of fields of success. And I hate it. I don't dislike it. I hate it. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by the bs. It's been going on for months, and the devs have been back after back entertaining that crap for far too long. You want to whine and complain about something? Whine and complain about why it is that Wardens are a brand new class, and how all three tantrum after tantrum until the devs made them trash damage dealers. And sub-optimal healers to Templars. Whine about that. /EndRant /Logoff

You lost me as soon as you said Templars have no execute...

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

casparian wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Rikkof wrote: »

CYRODIIL IS INFESTED BY NB, WHERE YOPU LOOK, EVERYWHERE, THERE ARE NB'S.
ONE WOULD THINK THAT IF THIS CLASS IS SO BAD ( IT ISNT, IT IS ACTUALLY THE MOST OP CLASS IN GAME ATM) THAT NO ONE WOULD PLAY IT....BUT LOOK, SURPRISE, EVERYONE AND EVERYWHERE....NIGHTBLADES!!!

THEY DEAL TEH MOST SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE, THEY HAVE AWESOME AOE, FAST ULTIMATE....CAN STEALTH AND GLOBAL PLAYERS....WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
SO PLEASE,
NERF NB
NERF NB
NERF NB

You heard the man. Where yopu look, teh most single target damage, can stealth and global players.

What more do you want?

Lol I'm pretty sure he wrote that rant by smashing his face into the keyboard.

Jollygoodusername · July 2017

Stamblade is the best 'class' in the game. They can out heal, out dps and out tank ANY other class while not even wearing armor.

Nightblades were the first class to beat the game. C'mon guys, just reroll a Nightblade and see for yourself how much better they are, than Sorcerer.

Idinuse · July 2017

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Rohamad_Ali · July 2017

Triggered !

Will slot poison and vipers the rest of the day .

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Magblades are annoying to fight, and great kiters, but are easily shut down by Templars, DKs, and Now Wardens since their main spammable can be reflected.

Wardens can't reflect skills, nor conceal weapon is reflectable. Mag nightblades are by far the strongest duelers currently.

Artis · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

@Artis My first Flawless Conqueror was a Nightblade on PC-NA. While my first Stormproof on PS4-NA was a Nightblade. It was also the second class I got a Flawless Conqueror with on PS4-NA. My first being a Sorc. Whenever I want easy AP...? I play 1 of my GankBlades. Beyond easy to kill people. In a 1v1 or multiple people (Bomb-Blade) way.

Now here's the kicker: My MagSorc is my main character. M'kay? Or main I should say for PvE-based things and crafting. My MagDK is my PvP-based main. Yet! I can kill dramatically easier on either my MagBlade or StamBlade, than my MagDK. I can also clear VMA way easier on my Nightblades, than I can my Sorc.

Artis · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

@Artis My first Flawless Conqueror was a Nightblade on PC-NA. While my first Stormproof on PS4-NA was a Nightblade. It was also the second class I got a Flawless Conqueror with on PS4-NA. My first being a Sorc. Whenever I want easy AP...? I play 1 of my GankBlades. Beyond easy to kill people. In a 1v1 or multiple people (Bomb-Blade) way.

Now here's the kicker: My MagSorc is my main character. M'kay? Or main I should say for PvE-based things and crafting. My MagDK is my PvP-based main. Yet! I can kill dramatically easier on either my MagBlade or StamBlade, than my MagDK. I can also clear VMA way easier on my Nightblades, than I can my Sorc.

Let me repeat this again. VMA doesn't mean crap. There you only compete with other NBs in score. It is absolutely irrelevant how classes do there relative to each other. All classes are different and have different leaderboards as well.

Play group content. If you did and still don't admit that NBs aren't great there, then you either have no idea how groups work/optimized or are outright lying.

Regarding PvP, again, no one was complaining about stamblades not being able to oneshot in PvP. Yes, if they have proc sets they will oneshot. That's true for every class specced to stamina, not just a NB. It's procs and OP stamina skills that kill people. Magicka builds can oneshot people, too, sometimes. But not magicka NB.

And I said ALL OF THESE things in my first comment already. Not only you don't read threads you are whining about, you don't even read comments in your own thread. Then why are you replying if you didn't even read what you are replying to? I honestly don't get it.

dday3six · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

Artis My first Flawless Conqueror was a Nightblade on PC-NA. While my first Stormproof on PS4-NA was a Nightblade. It was also the second class I got a Flawless Conqueror with on PS4-NA. My first being a Sorc. Whenever I want easy AP...? I play 1 of my GankBlades. Beyond easy to kill people. In a 1v1 or multiple people (Bomb-Blade) way.

Now here's the kicker: My MagSorc is my main character. M'kay? Or main I should say for PvE-based things and crafting. My MagDK is my PvP-based main. Yet! I can kill dramatically easier on either my MagBlade or StamBlade, than my MagDK. I can also clear VMA way easier on my Nightblades, than I can my Sorc.

Nightblades are good for salt mining scrubs in PVP. Their kit is also good for MSA. However that doesn't automatically mean they're also good in endgame group content or dueling. You know the two areas most complaints focus on.

Wreuntzylla · July 2017

This thread is amazing.

The skill cap on any class in this game is incredibly low. Especially in PvP. Ten action bar slots? No animations to respond to? Thi

If it makes you feel better to think your class has a higher skill cap, carry on.

Phinix1 wrote: »

In my experience PVP in ANY MMO is a joke. It's a total gank and spank. The sad reality of our gaming generation is that most people are totally insecure and don't want challenge or thought in PVP. They want to copy some cookie cutter "I win" build and mash their ego inflate button.

Obsession with competition over accomplishment. Quantity over quality. Feeling good because someone else feels bad not because they actually did anything of any merit. That is the MMO world we live in. Petty, lazy, and totally immature. In other words, not a good time.

Not to single out nightblade players, I'm sure there are some decent ones. But the reality is that in any MMO you play, the vast majority of PVP players will gravitate towards whatever class allows them to copy that cookie cutter "I win" and gank with no contest the easiest.

Then when ANYTHING turns up that causes their mashing to take more than one opening salvo of muscle-memory, they are the loudest most obnoxious whiners you ever heard. They will literally DDoD the forum servers with whine threads until the devs are forced to put a sweet treat in their mouth just to shut them up for a while.

It's why I refuse to even try to make PVP work. There is no way to make it work. It is a totally uninspired gank and spank with absolutely nothing to offer me in terms of fun or entertainment.

Why do people gank crafters and other defenseless people that post NO CHALLENGE and require NO SKILL just going about their day doing what THEY find fun? Not because they're skilled or enjoy skilled paly. Why do people camp quest givers? Why do people spam duel invites to tank builds or people obviously not set up to PVP? Why do people go out of their way to find ANY way they can to grief?

Because lots of people just suck, and in 10 years of MMO's I have found that 90% of these people are PVP players. Objective and honest, take it with a grain of salt.

This is wrong in so many ways.

Gankers are not primarily NBs because they have OP burst, it only because in order to gank, you need stealth to travel in high traffic areas solo. You could just as soon reach the conclusion that vampires are OP because every decent ganker is a vampire. Every ganker is a vampire for the stealth speed buff... The reality is that other classes can build for high burst and some even higher than NBs. DK's using a leap combo burst me much harder than NBs, and if you haven't been hit with the subterranean assault burst combo from a warden, that skill hits almost as hard as incap strike...

Gank is also not a prevalent activity in PvP. The people being ganked simply get ganked much more often than anyone else. It's not because they are crafters - pretty sure people aren't wearing their master crafter title into PvP unless they are trolling... Some of the most dangerous players on the server can be prime targets.

The reason 'crafters' get ganked frequently is completely incidental and linked to the high traffic area bit. If a fight isn't over fast, the chances people will add on is very high, so gankers build for maximum burst and look for targets they can eliminate quickly. The first filter for any ganker is health because even with mediocre defenses, health over about 26k can allow many players to survive the opening burst, especially if they are sporting radiant magelight. PvE'rs as a general rule build for 20k or less health.

In general, if you don't want to be ganked, avoid gank filters. Others include sorcs dropping their shields (or anyone letting active defenses drop), players standing outside a keep and looking through their inventory, jumping from a keep wall when moving out to another keep, and anything else that can result in a quick kill by the ganker.

Once you know what gankers are looking for, you can grief them if you want. For example, run a build for survivability with only 20k health using radiant magelight. It's pretty funny, many gankers run immediately when your health bar barely budges on their opener from stealth.

You can also use Miat's addon to avoid being instantly ganked in some cases, such as sniper gankers, but realize that they will know you are using it the first time you react before their skill actually fires. Once they know, some will grief you buy spamming and cancelling an attack so that you get spammed by Miat warnings. It's very annoying.

max_only · July 2017

This forum is way too high strung today.

Calm down. Get some positive energy from the sun.

Ch4mpTW · July 2017

dday3six wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

Artis My first Flawless Conqueror was a Nightblade on PC-NA. While my first Stormproof on PS4-NA was a Nightblade. It was also the second class I got a Flawless Conqueror with on PS4-NA. My first being a Sorc. Whenever I want easy AP...? I play 1 of my GankBlades. Beyond easy to kill people. In a 1v1 or multiple people (Bomb-Blade) way.

Now here's the kicker: My MagSorc is my main character. M'kay? Or main I should say for PvE-based things and crafting. My MagDK is my PvP-based main. Yet! I can kill dramatically easier on either my MagBlade or StamBlade, than my MagDK. I can also clear VMA way easier on my Nightblades, than I can my Sorc.

Nightblades are good for salt mining scrubs in PVP. Their kit is also good for MSA. However that doesn't automatically mean they're also good in endgame group content or dueling. You know the two areas most complaints focus on.

Quick question, how are they not good for dueling? MagBlade or StamBlades. Especially being that there is no 1 to intervene. If anything, I would say Nightblades excel the most in duels from a PvP perspective.

Edit: Autocorrect trolled me. Q_Q

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

@Artis My first Flawless Conqueror was a Nightblade on PC-NA. While my first Stormproof on PS4-NA was a Nightblade. It was also the second class I got a Flawless Conqueror with on PS4-NA. My first being a Sorc. Whenever I want easy AP...? I play 1 of my GankBlades. Beyond easy to kill people. In a 1v1 or multiple people (Bomb-Blade) way.

Now here's the kicker: My MagSorc is my main character. M'kay? Or main I should say for PvE-based things and crafting. My MagDK is my PvP-based main. Yet! I can kill dramatically easier on either my MagBlade or StamBlade, than my MagDK. I can also clear VMA way easier on my Nightblades, than I can my Sorc.

Play group content. If you did and still don't admit that NBs aren't great there, then you either have no idea how groups work/optimized or are outright lying.

Except there are plenty magicka nbs filling trial leaderboards...

Artis wrote: »

Regarding PvP, again, no one was complaining about stamblades not being able to oneshot in PvP. Yes, if they have proc sets they will oneshot. That's true for every class specced to stamina, not just a NB. It's procs and OP stamina skills that kill people. Magicka builds can oneshot people, too, sometimes. But not magicka NB.

Ok, are you serious right now? Magicka nightblabes pack the strongest burst in the game, period. You need some more practice buddy.

dday3six · July 2017

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Artis wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Balthyzar wrote: »

Sounds like someone is just salty he can't get into vet trial groups.

...? My main is a MagSorc (PerSorc to be specific), I lead a trial guild currently, and have been apart of numerous end-game trial guilds on PS4-NA. Still am in 1, actually. Nice try tho'.

Play a NB, you troll, then come back and repeat that they aren't weak again.

Artis My first Flawless Conqueror was a Nightblade on PC-NA. While my first Stormproof on PS4-NA was a Nightblade. It was also the second class I got a Flawless Conqueror with on PS4-NA. My first being a Sorc. Whenever I want easy AP...? I play 1 of my GankBlades. Beyond easy to kill people. In a 1v1 or multiple people (Bomb-Blade) way.

Now here's the kicker: My MagSorc is my main character. M'kay? Or main I should say for PvE-based things and crafting. My MagDK is my PvP-based main. Yet! I can kill dramatically easier on either my MagBlade or StamBlade, than my MagDK. I can also clear VMA way easier on my Nightblades, than I can my Sorc.

Nightblades are good for salt mining scrubs in PVP. Their kit is also good for MSA. However that doesn't automatically mean they're also good in endgame group content or dueling. You know the two areas most complaints focus on.

Quick question, how are they not good for dueling? MagBlade or StamBlades. Especially being that there is no 1 to intervene. If anything, I would say Nightblades excel the most in duels from a PvP perspective.

Edit: Autocorrect trolled me. Q_Q

Skill is of course a factor, but the majority of a NB's kit centers around spikey, burst damage. They lack the survivability of DK and Templar for example. So while NBs are good at picking off weak, likely unaware and/or unprepared targets. That same area of strength is far less effective in duels compared to survivability.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2017

This is all personal conjecture coupled with feelings and raw emotion . Some people can 1 v X on Sorc , some on DK and some on Templar . Everyone thinks they know class balance best because of some personal experience . Try going to the areas the best people play and fight against them . I can gank an unprepared and inexperienced player any day but players you see that know their builds and post info all the time are hardly ever going to fall for it on any class .

In trials and dungeons nightblade has to work hard to keep up with Sorc DPS . It can kept close but it is a lot of work . Most Nightblades are one trick ponies in PVP because the class demands a lot running and repositioning to survive . Diverse builds require endless grinding from PVE that not a lot of people want to do . The class is in no way OP but some gear sets are . But those give all classes a op feeling sometimes not just NB .

I think the average buff nightblade thread comes from players that are average and don't have access to the proper gear and the rest come from knowledgeable players that want old bugged abilities to work properly or some old nerfs that are outdated for the class reverted . Nightblade players on the forums have proven to be some of the most knowledgeable and the least whiney of all players . You should turn on some music and do some Jazzercise for an hour before making these threads and shake off all the pent up emotions