I've Just Started Playing Again After 7+ Months...

wellerrocks · July 2017

Hi guys,

I have just started playing again after a while and have some questions!

1) Which are the respectable ways of making money now?

2) What is the actual benefit of buying a house?

3) Whats the state of PvP now?

Cheers

DMuehlhausen · July 2017

1. Still playing the Trader system if you're good at it
2. Nothing unless you like interior design
3. Still laggy and unbalanced as far as I can tell

wellerrocks · July 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

1. Still playing the Trader system if you're good at it
2. Nothing unless you like interior design
3. Still laggy and unbalanced as far as I can tell

Thanks bud, with housing can you not use it as storage or anything?

seedubsrun · July 2017

1) Using a guild to sell useful gear and crafting materials is still the best way. Farming for gold isn't all that useful and the prosperous trait is going away soon anyway

2) Not too useful really except for having a cool place that you get to decorate. You can have crafting stations there as well as test dummies for testing out the DPS of builds which is great but often times just joining a decent guild will get you access to that for free. I do suspect though that they'll be adding a lot of things to housing in the future that may prove quite useful

3) Other than the lag and proc builds it's the same as it ever was. Lag should be reduced in upcoming updates and proc sets will be better balanced then too along with potentially more diversity in builds. If all that goes well we could see somewhat of a silver age of PvP. Though I'm sure it'll get screwed up somehow

Yasha · July 2017

On point 3, I'd say the pvp is in a really good state. In the non-CP campaigns its rarely laggy, weapon swapping is much smoother and more responsive, balance is pretty good, you can buy a lot of good sets with AP (although I still hate the rng), and the large variety of sets means you can try out a variety of builds (if you can survive the rng grind to get the sets in the first place). The campaigns are always full during prime time, but non-CP can get pretty quiet and one sided overnight/early morn US time.

seedubsrun · July 2017

wellerrocks wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

1. Still playing the Trader system if you're good at it
2. Nothing unless you like interior design
3. Still laggy and unbalanced as far as I can tell

Thanks bud, with housing can you not use it as storage or anything?

Nope, unfortunately you can't store anything there other than buying the banker that travels with you and posting him at your house. Everyone wants storage at your house so maybe in the future but I'm sure you'll have to buy that seperately from the crown store or something

wellerrocks · July 2017

Yasha wrote: »

On point 3, I'd say the pvp is in a really good state. In the non-CP campaigns its rarely laggy, weapon swapping is much smoother and more responsive, balance is pretty good, you can buy a lot of good sets with AP (although I still hate the rng), and the large variety of sets means you can try out a variety of builds (if you can survive the rng grind to get the sets in the first place). The campaigns are always full during prime time, but non-CP can get pretty quiet and one sided overnight/early morn US time.

Sounds good, will jump on later!

seedubsrun wrote: »

wellerrocks wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

1. Still playing the Trader system if you're good at it
2. Nothing unless you like interior design
3. Still laggy and unbalanced as far as I can tell

Thanks bud, with housing can you not use it as storage or anything?

Nope, unfortunately you can't store anything there other than buying the banker that travels with you and posting him at your house. Everyone wants storage at your house so maybe in the future but I'm sure you'll have to buy that seperately from the crown store or something

How dead, I am definitely not wasting my money on housing until something else is added then!

Yasha · July 2017

wellerrocks wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

On point 3, I'd say the pvp is in a really good state. In the non-CP campaigns its rarely laggy, weapon swapping is much smoother and more responsive, balance is pretty good, you can buy a lot of good sets with AP (although I still hate the rng), and the large variety of sets means you can try out a variety of builds (if you can survive the rng grind to get the sets in the first place). The campaigns are always full during prime time, but non-CP can get pretty quiet and one sided overnight/early morn US time.

Sounds good, will jump on later!

Not sure how much you played in the past, but I advise getting in a group or pvp guild - imo its heaps more fun than just running around by urself or pugging.

Stovahkiin · July 2017

wellerrocks wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have just started playing again after a while and have some questions!

1) Which are the respectable ways of making money now?

2) What is the actual benefit of buying a house?

3) Whats the state of PvP now?

Cheers

1. I don't worry about money very much in this game, but selling mats can get you a pretty penny if you don't have use for them yourself.

2. Literally the only point of housing is so that you can look at it and say, " Oohh". That's it. You can bring friends/guildmates to your house, but it's still very non-functional.

3. For PvP, it depends on who you ask. The new Battlegrounds PvP mode can be semi fun according to those who play it, but I've heard far more bad things about it than good. As for good 'ol Cyrodiil PvP, it's been laggy here and there for me, but it can still be really fun at times.

AlnilamE · July 2017

1. Since you said respectable, I'm not going to suggest thieving and murdering, but it can be pretty good.
2. Housing is fun if you are into housing. As other said, you can have crafting stations there, including "attunable" crafting stations that you can attune to a set station (and never have to go to IC to craft Armor Master again!), though this is probably best handled by pooling resources with your guild. Many guilds have had a player who bought a large home and made it an informal "guild house".
3. That I don't know, as I haven't PvPd in a while.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

I'm sorry you came back. Whatever drove you back here, I can assure you it's the better alternative than ESO. PvP is unbalanced and laggy. Housing is just a blatant cash grab by Zenimax - nothing useful for owning a house - it's just expensive cosmetics that drain your resources and wallet dry. Lastly, with Morrowind and the next PTS patch, all form of sustain is non-existent outside of mandatory HA spam for "balance".

If you are stamina nightblade, you are unaffected as you are only viable in pvp and only for the span of a few seconds, which is approximately how long your fights should last. If you are any other class or want to enjoy any other aspect of the game, just re-uninstall the game and save yourself the disappointment and lighter wallet.

Buying Morrowind is essentially robbing yourself. There's very little to no enjoyment to be had. You are quite literally paying ZoS to nerf your class, to gain access to a new weak class that underperforms in all endgame content, and sit in a loading screens while you attempt to dial-up to COL (Cyrodiil On-Line).

*hands glass of water* I know this is a lot of salt to take in, but it's the sad truth that many on this forum don't have the strength to face.

Tandor · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I'm sorry you came back. Whatever drove you back here, I can assure you it's the better alternative than ESO. PvP is unbalanced and laggy. Housing is just a blatant cash grab by Zenimax - nothing useful for owning a house - it's just expensive cosmetics that drain your resources and wallet dry. Lastly, with Morrowind and the next PTS patch, all form of sustain is non-existent outside of mandatory HA spam for "balance".

If you are stamina nightblade, you are unaffected as you are only viable in pvp and only for the span of a few seconds, which is approximately how long your fights should last. If you are any other class or want to enjoy any other aspect of the game, just re-uninstall the game and save yourself the disappointment and lighter wallet.

Buying Morrowind is essentially robbing yourself. There's very little to no enjoyment to be had. You are quite literally paying ZoS to nerf your class, to gain access to a new weak class that underperforms in all endgame content, and sit in a loading screens while you attempt to dial-up to COL (Cyrodiil On-Line).

*hands glass of water* I know this is a lot of salt to take in, but it's the sad truth that many on this forum don't have the strength to face.

Unfortunately your glass of water is half-empty, I prefer mine half-full. What a dispiriting list of half-truths and misinformation.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

Tandor wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I'm sorry you came back. Whatever drove you back here, I can assure you it's the better alternative than ESO. PvP is unbalanced and laggy. Housing is just a blatant cash grab by Zenimax - nothing useful for owning a house - it's just expensive cosmetics that drain your resources and wallet dry. Lastly, with Morrowind and the next PTS patch, all form of sustain is non-existent outside of mandatory HA spam for "balance".

If you are stamina nightblade, you are unaffected as you are only viable in pvp and only for the span of a few seconds, which is approximately how long your fights should last. If you are any other class or want to enjoy any other aspect of the game, just re-uninstall the game and save yourself the disappointment and lighter wallet.

Buying Morrowind is essentially robbing yourself. There's very little to no enjoyment to be had. You are quite literally paying ZoS to nerf your class, to gain access to a new weak class that underperforms in all endgame content, and sit in a loading screens while you attempt to dial-up to COL (Cyrodiil On-Line).

*hands glass of water* I know this is a lot of salt to take in, but it's the sad truth that many on this forum don't have the strength to face.

Unfortunately your glass of water is half-empty, I prefer mine half-full. What a dispiriting list of half-truths and misinformation.

What would you tell the OP?
- That everything is fine and he should dump $100 on a house that serves no functional purpose?
- That there's no connection issues or sever stability problems plaguing Cyrodiil?
- That the Morrowind sustain nerfs were not directed at 0.1% of the player base and don't inconvenience the other 99%?
- That HA spam is "fast-paced" and "engaging" as described by ZoS, yet the player base disagrees?

Face the truth. Drop the kool-aid and hold ZoS accountable for their failure. Stop being a part of the problem and be a part of the solution.

rhapsodious · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I'm sorry you came back. Whatever drove you back here, I can assure you it's the better alternative than ESO. PvP is unbalanced and laggy. Housing is just a blatant cash grab by Zenimax - nothing useful for owning a house - it's just expensive cosmetics that drain your resources and wallet dry. Lastly, with Morrowind and the next PTS patch, all form of sustain is non-existent outside of mandatory HA spam for "balance".

If you are stamina nightblade, you are unaffected as you are only viable in pvp and only for the span of a few seconds, which is approximately how long your fights should last. If you are any other class or want to enjoy any other aspect of the game, just re-uninstall the game and save yourself the disappointment and lighter wallet.

Buying Morrowind is essentially robbing yourself. There's very little to no enjoyment to be had. You are quite literally paying ZoS to nerf your class, to gain access to a new weak class that underperforms in all endgame content, and sit in a loading screens while you attempt to dial-up to COL (Cyrodiil On-Line).

*hands glass of water* I know this is a lot of salt to take in, but it's the sad truth that many on this forum don't have the strength to face.

Unfortunately your glass of water is half-empty, I prefer mine half-full. What a dispiriting list of half-truths and misinformation.

What would you tell the OP?
- That everything is fine and he should dump $100 on a house that serves no functional purpose?
- That there's no connection issues or sever stability problems plaguing Cyrodiil?
- That the Morrowind sustain nerfs were not directed at 0.1% of the player base and don't inconvenience the other 99%?
- That HA spam is "face-paced" and "engaging" as described by ZoS, yet the player base disagrees?

Face the truth. Drop the kool-aid and hold ZoS accountable for the failure. Stop being part of the problem and be a part of the solution.

- Housing has a benefit to the large portion of the playerbase that enjoys having a space that is their own to customize as they see fit. And by the way, housing gives you target dummies, which are the defacto way that people test their DPS, so they do have a functional purpose. It might not be huge, but it's there.

- Stability's still an issue time and again, but in my experience it's vastly improved from before.

- Most people have adjusted.

- I don't know what groups you're in that are only doing HA spamming, but that's kind of on them. I haven't had to resort to it and only do it when I'm reading reddit or something while running a pledge. When I'm actually paying attention, combat is still pretty engaging.

freespirit · July 2017

Welcome back!!

Gold can be made in many ways, joining a big trading guild is probably the easiest, depending on whether you have saleable items. A lot of people also make very good money from stealing.

Housing is a "Marmite" thing you either love it or hate it! I love it but also wish that there were more slots for placing items and storage........ I mean how can you own a massive house and not have a single working cupboard or chest??

PVP is fun but I almost exclusively play in the below lvl50 campaign, I never seem to lag, cannot remember the last time I had a long load screen or a crash. I level all my new characters there. I can't comment on the other campaigns as I rarely go there.

You don't mention your platform........ it does seem performance can vary widely across different platforms, my comments are based on PC-EU.

Megabear · July 2017

wellerrocks wrote: »

Hi guys,

I have just started playing again after a while and have some questions!

1) Which are the respectable ways of making money now?

2) What is the actual benefit of buying a house?

3) Whats the state of PvP now?

Cheers

1) Farming gears and/or buy low sell high. This is universal throughout MMO and never changes it seems.
2) It's 99% cosmetic. You can test your DPS on a training dummy and spend millions per craft station for "practicality" use.
3) I just know that it's active and meta keeps changing.

Tandor · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I'm sorry you came back. Whatever drove you back here, I can assure you it's the better alternative than ESO. PvP is unbalanced and laggy. Housing is just a blatant cash grab by Zenimax - nothing useful for owning a house - it's just expensive cosmetics that drain your resources and wallet dry. Lastly, with Morrowind and the next PTS patch, all form of sustain is non-existent outside of mandatory HA spam for "balance".

If you are stamina nightblade, you are unaffected as you are only viable in pvp and only for the span of a few seconds, which is approximately how long your fights should last. If you are any other class or want to enjoy any other aspect of the game, just re-uninstall the game and save yourself the disappointment and lighter wallet.

Buying Morrowind is essentially robbing yourself. There's very little to no enjoyment to be had. You are quite literally paying ZoS to nerf your class, to gain access to a new weak class that underperforms in all endgame content, and sit in a loading screens while you attempt to dial-up to COL (Cyrodiil On-Line).

*hands glass of water* I know this is a lot of salt to take in, but it's the sad truth that many on this forum don't have the strength to face.

Unfortunately your glass of water is half-empty, I prefer mine half-full. What a dispiriting list of half-truths and misinformation.

What would you tell the OP?
- That everything is fine and he should dump $100 on a house that serves no functional purpose?
- That there's no connection issues or sever stability problems plaguing Cyrodiil?
- That the Morrowind sustain nerfs were not directed at 0.1% of the player base and don't inconvenience the other 99%?
- That HA spam is "fast-paced" and "engaging" as described by ZoS, yet the player base disagrees?

Face the truth. Drop the kool-aid and hold ZoS accountable for their failure. Stop being a part of the problem and be a part of the solution.

Housing has plenty of purpose to those who enjoy housing - I personally have no interest in using it for crafting stations or training dummies but enjoy finding recipes etc and crafting/placing stuff in my various houses as well as finding them useful for free travel. I also just like chilling out there and having somewhere in a gameworld to call "home".

I understand that there are specific performance issues related to Cyrodiil but that there are those who don't suffer badly from them. Personally I don't PvP and haven't had a significant performance issue having played continuously since PC launch.

Apart from the few who QQ'd over the sustain changes (which were base game changes and it's grossly misleading to attribute them to Morrowind) pretty well everyone else has adapted. I'm actually enjoying having a reason to use heavy attacks but don't often need them.

There are plenty of people enjoying the game, so to tell someone that you're sorry they've come back and that whatever other game they were playing before is better than this one is just plain silly and serves no purpose other than to highlight the obvious chip on your shoulder over the game - so if it's that bad for you why are you even still bothering?

Stovahkiin · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I'm sorry you came back. Whatever drove you back here, I can assure you it's the better alternative than ESO. PvP is unbalanced and laggy. Housing is just a blatant cash grab by Zenimax - nothing useful for owning a house - it's just expensive cosmetics that drain your resources and wallet dry. Lastly, with Morrowind and the next PTS patch, all form of sustain is non-existent outside of mandatory HA spam for "balance".

If you are stamina nightblade, you are unaffected as you are only viable in pvp and only for the span of a few seconds, which is approximately how long your fights should last. If you are any other class or want to enjoy any other aspect of the game, just re-uninstall the game and save yourself the disappointment and lighter wallet.

Buying Morrowind is essentially robbing yourself. There's very little to no enjoyment to be had. You are quite literally paying ZoS to nerf your class, to gain access to a new weak class that underperforms in all endgame content, and sit in a loading screens while you attempt to dial-up to COL (Cyrodiil On-Line).

*hands glass of water* I know this is a lot of salt to take in, but it's the sad truth that many on this forum don't have the strength to face.

Lol, easy there big guy. It's a game, and it's not nearly as bad as you're saying .

Agalloch · July 2017

PVP is fine for me ( PC-EU)