To my regret, it appears that Morrowind was bad for the game's community.

Caligamy_ESO · July 2017

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Then I guess this songs for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVTP0DOL_2Q

Am I the only one who hears both Sia's Chandelier and The Lonely Man theme song from the original Hulk in this?

Cêltic421 · July 2017

Are there really that many "players walking away from the game"?

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Are there really that many "players walking away from the game"?

Unfortunately yeah :-\

Rickter · July 2017

you cant quote matt firor, nick konkle, paul sage or anyone that works for Zenimax Online Studios.

They do not make the decisions on pricing.

This is big brother, Zenimax Media Inc getting very greedy. you saw that with the VR rehashes, the skyrim dead horse, and the paid mods. ESO is a victim of corporate greed and quoting ZOS and [snip]ting on ZOS is unfair and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Go after big brother. you twits.

central_scrutinizer · July 2017

Malic wrote: »

You forgot one point. Loyal subscribers, anticipating that ZOS would honor the sub deal, you know you get 100% of the downloadable content as long as you pay your sub. That pissed people off when they broke the deal. I know 4 people who canceled out of the gate and I was able to convince another 3 people in my guild to do so as well.

I cancelled by (6 months re-occurring) sub because of that. Craft bag is nice, but I lived without it much longer then I've lived with it. The only value in a sub to me was not having to worry about what I can and can't access.

They've reneged on that, so I don't see any value in a sub. They can call DLC by as many other names as they want, that does nothing to change my perspective that the sub is now worthless to me.

Which is just as well, as my two main trials guilds and my main social guild are now ghost towns.

a1i3nz · July 2017

I've seen lots of people leave recently. All sorts of people I don't see anymore. I think ZOS decided to say *** the old player base and let's market this dlc like a whole new game. Then completely rebalance pvp. Then pve. But instead they dropped the ball and even the new shiny things don't work.

What a catastrophe

Diminish · July 2017

Drachenfier wrote: »

Kodrac wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Too bad my content filter is blocking your memes. Seriously, bro, it's a game. Why do you get your jimmies tussled at someone pointing out it's problems? I mean I get it it, to some people MMOs are srs bsns and should never be questioned for fear of the forum avenger, but if people aren't having fun or dismayed at seeing their friends list disappear who are you to tell them to shut up?

I don't really, I just like to give the people that whine about "expansion or DLC" a hard time, because that's what it is - whining. To me, getting BG and a new class on top of a new zone is not a DLC. As much as you get with this game for the cost of one lunch per month is staggering, and yet people still complain about not getting enough free ***.

I wouldn't exactly call it free if you are subbed... Really, other than the craft bag, why even sub? Most did it for DLC access. Crowns each month? To buy what? NOTHING in the crown store is jaw dropping enough to pay the absurd amount of crowns they ask for most items. Morrowind was a kick in the balls in the eyes of a large number of subscribers; I really don't care how you spin your counter argument. I've played thousands upon thousands of games, and I can say with all certainty that ZoS is the greediest dev I have ever encountered. I honestly never thought any could dethrone ActiVision published games until I found ESO.

IronCrystal · July 2017

Those who are trying to defend the trials community are dead wrong.

Trial guilds are disbanding left and right. Like others said, if you have been in the trials community at all, you would know other people in the trials community. Its too small not to know them. Hardly anyone still runs trials on a regular basis. Only a few guilds (few being like within 10) that still actively run vet trials, let alone only 2 that post scores.

The scoreboards alone show that people aren't playing much. They are pitiful for a patch that is been out for 1.5 months on PC.

For those who claim "oh ppl have skins therefore ppl do trials," well guess what. I have both of the SotH skins and I haven't even stepped foot in those dungeons in months. Skins don't mean anything other than the fact they cleared (or were carried) at least once during their playtime.

Trials are dying, there's no question about it. If newer players were actually playing trials seriously, we'd know about them.

Diminish · July 2017

IronCrystal wrote: »

Those who are trying to defend the trials community are dead wrong.

Trial guilds are disbanding left and right. Like others said, if you have been in the trials community at all, you would know other people in the trials community. Its too small not to know them. Hardly anyone still runs trials on a regular basis. Only a few guilds (few being like within 10) that still actively run vet trials, let alone only 2 that post scores.

The scoreboards alone show that people aren't playing much. They are pitiful for a patch that is been out for 1.5 months on PC.

For those who claim "oh ppl have skins therefore ppl do trials," well guess what. I have both of the SotH skins and I haven't even stepped foot in those dungeons in months. Skins don't mean anything other than the fact they cleared (or were carried) at least once during their playtime.

Trials are dying, there's no question about it. If newer players were actually playing trials seriously, we'd know about them.

To be honest, everytime I run a trial that I decide to PUG or when asked by a friend / guildie if I want to run it there is always a handful of familiar faces already in the group. Its like the active trials community is so small that everyone knows everyone... Similar to living in a town with a population of about 400 people... Same goes for zone chats, undaunted dailies, etc. Makes you wonder what the real active population is on ESO. My guess is that it is by far much less than ZoS wants anyone to believe it is.

ForsakenSin · July 2017

LOl +1 to the smart gluteus maximus who gave me awesome in my previous post ... i see what you did there.. well played sir well played indeed...

S1ipperyJim · July 2017

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Morrowind was an expansion, get over it and stop saying you were ripped off or ZoS double dipped.

ZOS created and promoted Morrowind. They say it's not an expansion. So just stop trying to insist it's something that it is not.

luen79rwb17_ESO · July 2017

It would hace been better if they released Morrowind content as separarse DLCs

captainwolfos · July 2017

madchuska83 wrote: »

I pre-ordered it and still haven't played it.

I'm glad I'm not the only one, but with that in mind, I do feel kind of like a wally for pre-ordering at all.

I've not played since just before Morrowind went live. I've been taking elitists' advice and playing Skyrim instead. (/sarcasm)

MarbleQuiche · July 2017

ParaNostram wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Players warned of too much change too fast but a lot of players got over the first hurdle . Re gearing is an easy pain to allieviate by reverting BOP items . Just because I'm fine getting gear and re learning mechanics doesn't mean that I don't know what you are saying has truth . It happens in every MMO as they progress . People that don't slot bis are not as effected and will carry on but some of the population will go on hiatus or longer .

The fun of other MMO's was regearing, was when the new expansion came out gearing up so you can do the first tier of raiding, then the next tier, then the next tier, then new expansion! Back to the collecting better pants grind stone.

The difference with ESO is that when something new is introduced, it doesn't throw the rest of the game in the waste bin.

The difference with ESO is that when new content releases you're only 1/5th of the way through collecting your gear from the last content release and suddenly you need to start again. Likewise with motifs and now furnishing plans. Drop rates are abysmal to the point where for 99% of the population there is no end-game, only being kicked back to the beginning of an endless grind.

I don't think November's changes will alter that in the slightest. People will still be looking for specific traits on specific pieces for their builds. It doesn't matter if the variance between what different people want is changed, their chances of getting what they want remain unchanged.

That's the problem with ESO across the board.

Drop rates and, in situations where things drop frequently but there are either too many things that can drop or only a few are useful, lack of a token/exchange system.

This is such a shame because ESO is an incredibly fun game. Whoever has been running game design, though, has been burying that fun and doing their best to keep players from it.

It might be time for changes soon, a fresh outlook.

MarbleQuiche · July 2017

Double post

Feanor · July 2017

If you ask me it's all the bad Sorc's fault. Like always.

f047ys3v3n · July 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Trial guilds seem to disappearing.

Battlegrounds are a disaster due to queuing issues, terrible game balance, the lack of a CP mode, and the inability to choose game type.

Wait, you mean there is no CP mode or ability to chose your game type in addition to the typically non-functional group finder. Lol, I'm sure missing out not having Morrowind.

For what it is worth, (not bloody much,) I basically agree with you. I think more people left than were brought in by Morrowind and I think furthermore, that the players that left were in general more serious and would have stayed in game longer in a no Morrowind universe than those that dipped there toe in here will stay.

One of the shames is that the Vardenfell quest line seemed OK when I played a good deal of it on PTS and the zone is quite beautiful. Making a mess of PvE combat, trying to double dip on funding, and letting fly a really dysfunctional new PVP mode just weighed it down too much. Imagine for a second if Morrowind dropped with no $40 buy in, no resource management changes, and a working que for anything. We would be over the moon wouldn't we.

Calandrae · July 2017

I left the game (was here from the launch) a few months ago. In the end for me "the last straw" was the RNG combined with bind-on-pickup. There were other things, too - like constant class imbalance/heavy-handed nerfing, crown crates and lack of interesting items for normal sale at crown store, the pricing of crown store items, low item limit at housing, sparse communication from the developers and so on.

But RNG was the most poignant part of my decision to stop playing all together. I just couldn't take it anymore. The thought of endless, uncertain farming was too much. It started to feel like a tedious and mindless job - and I already have a stressful and demanding real life career. There was no joy in running the same dungeons and trials over and over again, with no certainty that at least at some point in the future I would get the item(s) that I needed.

I would have been willing to run a dungeon hundred times to get a token - as long as there was a guaranteed reward, it would have made some sense. But the total randomness of loot system was just too daunting, time-consuming and non-rewarding.

I still follow the forums because I miss the game a lot, hoping to see that some changes to the loot system would be at least discussed by ZoS. But even though I miss playing, I can't jump back to the hamster-wheel of RNG. It made me stressed and miserable, and a hobby shouldn't do that.

This is ofc just my personal experience, nothing more and nothing less.

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Trial guilds seem to disappearing.

Battlegrounds are a disaster due to queuing issues, terrible game balance, the lack of a CP mode, and the inability to choose game type.

Wait, you mean there is no CP mode or ability to chose your game type in addition to the typically non-functional group finder.

Yes.

Bonzodog01 · July 2017

There is an actual quote from Matt Firor from some time last year where he stated that they were after people who would come in, play the new content for a few weeks, then leave and come back at next release.

ZOS are deliberately aiming this game at the absolute casual market now. They care little for hardcore trials and PvP runners.

rustic_potato · July 2017

My PvE raiding guild collapsed. My PvP guild mates moved to PUBG. On the bright side I now have free time to do stuff other than ESO. So Morrowind was definitely was healthy change for me. Was playing the game 20 hours plus a week. Now it's just 2-3 hours. ZOS cares about us guys.

CorsennaRyu · July 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Imagine for a second if Morrowind dropped with no $40 buy in, no resource management changes, and a working que for anything. We would be over the moon wouldn't we.

I wouldn't even mind the $40 tag if it would account share. They sold it like a whole new game rather than DLC, cool, I wouldn't care if it at least functioned like a whole new game.

The problem comes in where, I'm (all thing considered) reasonably unimpressed with Morrowind. My fiance stopped playing eso almost a year ago, I stopped playing for a few months before homestead dropped. I just got bored one day and picked it up again and in truth, I'm only playing because I got a random invite to an awesome social guild that I've really enjoyed playing with. My fiance wanted to start playing with me again, but it just isn't worth spending *another* $40.

I enjoy gaming with my fiance, thus as long as Morrowind doesn't account share and it continues to not be worth purchasing a second time my interest is going to completely drop again. I would be over the moon for something as simple as account sharing is really the point of what I'm saying.

MarbleQuiche · July 2017

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

There is an actual quote from Matt Firor from some time last year where he stated that they were after people who would come in, play the new content for a few weeks, then leave and come back at next release.

ZOS are deliberately aiming this game at the absolute casual market now. They care little for hardcore trials and PvP runners.

Then their game design is, to be frank, schizophrenic.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

3 out of the 5 guilds I'm in (all of which used to have 300-400 members) have dwindled down to 150-250. Of the players that have stuck around, most of them have told me that they are waiting for another game to come out (any decent game) so they can dump ESO for good. It's sad. Destiny II looks pretty mediocre and yet, because of how poorly ZoS has treated their fan base, Bungie is likely going to get the sales they want for their game.

Diablo III just released a new Necromancer class that's a blast to play and Season 11 is about to start on July 20th which features a bunch of challenges and special necro-themed armor sets to get. Then, of course there's Anthem that's currently in the future. Lots of people are looking forward to that game, too.

It's funny that hardly anyone I speak to is looking forward to Horns of the Reach, lol. They talk about looking forward to OTHER games - and the best part? ZoS is STILL silent towards the player base. A wise man once said, "You can't fix stupid."

Minno · July 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Malic wrote: »

You forgot one point. Loyal subscribers, anticipating that ZOS would honor the sub deal, you know you get 100% of the downloadable content as long as you pay your sub. That pissed people off when they broke the deal. I know 4 people who canceled out of the gate and I was able to convince another 3 people in my guild to do so as well.

Yeah they did double dip into our pockets when they decided to do that.

That's why I unsubscribed and only purchased Morrowind on sale.

Strider_Roshin · July 2017

Vercingetorix wrote: »

3 out of the 5 guilds I'm in (all of which used to have 300-400 members) have dwindled down to 150-250. Of the players that have stuck around, most of them have told me that they are waiting for another game to come out (any decent game) so they can dump ESO for good. It's sad. Destiny II looks pretty mediocre and yet, because of how poorly ZoS has treated their fan base, Bungie is likely going to get the sales they want for their game.

Diablo III just released a new Necromancer class that's a blast to play and Season 11 is about to start on July 20th which features a bunch of challenges and special necro-themed armor sets to get. Then, of course there's Anthem that's currently in the future. Lots of people are looking forward to that game, too.

It's funny that hardly anyone I speak to is looking forward to Horns of the Reach, lol. They talk about looking forward to OTHER games - and the best part? ZoS is STILL silent towards the player base. A wise man once said, "You can't fix stupid."

This really is true. I've got guild mates getting ready for Destiny 2, and almost everyone of dipping out when Monster Hunter World comes out next year.

It really is a shame, because this is truly a great game IMO. It's just ZOS is running this like a dictatorship, and people are getting sick of it.

I'm aware this is their game and they have the right to do whatever they want. They don't owe us anything.

But they need to be aware that in the realm of capitalism people vote with their money, and if people aren't satisfied they'll take their money elsewhere, and ZOS will have less people to enjoy their game.

Getern · July 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Cêltic421 wrote: »

Are there really that many "players walking away from the game"?

Unfortunately yeah :-\

You misspelled "fortunately". Face it, this game become garbage since DB changes and Zose haven't done *** to make players coming back for over a year from that fail. They just want to get rid of all old players for some reason. I am not playing since Homestead myself.

KingMagaw · July 2017

Most of my friends circle and guilds left due to the exploitation of everything in ESO. Every trial, leader board, pvp, pve, title, achievement has been exploited due to ZoS incompetence and rushing out untested content.

Many players look for a fair playing field and/or a competitive edge. ESO is simply getting farmed by exploiters, PvE/PvP.

KingJ · July 2017

Well PUBG comes to Xbox in hopefully 2-3 months and BDO Q1 of 2018.So much better games on the horizon I'll rather give my money to than ESO if I could get a refund on Morrowwind I would. Me and my friends are looking forward to Playing a game with Dev teams that know what they are doing.

My friends who do trials are looking forward to tera while everyone I know who enjoy PVP are just waiting for PUBG and BDO.

Vercingetorix · July 2017

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

It really is a shame, because this is truly a great game IMO. It's just ZOS is running this like a dictatorship, and people are getting sick of it.

I'm aware this is their game and they have the right to do whatever they want. They don't owe us anything.

But they need to be aware that in the realm of capitalism people vote with their money, and if people aren't satisfied they'll take their money elsewhere, and ZOS will have less people to enjoy their game.

No, this is false. They don't have the right to run their game "however they want". We are the customer and what the customer wants, the customer gets. THAT'S business. Too many younger generations of players are entering the gaming world believing they have no power and should accept whatever is given to them by developers like food scraps on the floor...

There was a time when game developers actively spoke with their player base, got feedback, implemented changes due to that feedback, and just good measure, added additional features to compliment that feedback - without charging them for it or taking something else away to do it. Players today need to realize that the gaming industry is at OUR mercy, NOT the other way around. If a developer ignores feedback and forces changes on you that take away from the experience you already have in the game, you (we) NEED to hold them accountable for it.

This is the reason why "micro-transactions" and "paid DLC with shallow content" are even a thing. Developers are getting away with charging more for less content and the player base has been told that they should just accept it. That's complete BS. ZoS is ruining this game with their asinine decisions that WE, the customer, didn't give them permission to make.