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To my regret, it appears that Morrowind was bad for the game's community.

  • Rahotu
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    Players warned of too much change too fast but a lot of players got over the first hurdle . Re gearing is an easy pain to allieviate by reverting BOP items . Just because I'm fine getting gear and re learning mechanics doesn't mean that I don't know what you are saying has truth . It happens in every MMO as they progress . People that don't slot bis are not as effected and will carry on but some of the population will go on hiatus or longer .

    I'm in the same boat as you. Me personally, I'm fine with the changes for the most part (I obviously have my gripes), but I'm not everyone; and it's disheartening seeing so many walk away from this game.

    I've had some friends leave as well . It's something ZoS is aware of because they filled out the questionnaire and recieved responses back . I think with this next patch coming they have a chance to do it better this time but we will have to wait and see . I'm staying of course because I'm excited so,e things we asked for are happening and I want to see more of that .

    we all know you're only staying until you pickpocket santie-claws,then you'll be gone like a puff of furry smoke ;)
  • Crom_CCCXVI
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    I played Battlegrounds most of the day.

    CP Battlegrounds would be terrible, do you really want a bunch of unkillable troll tanks in BG? People actually need to die in those games.
    As soon as they fix the Q it will be fine.
  • Blacksmoke
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    Yeah ever since MW dropped I havent played longer then an hour.. I just cant get into it anymore
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  • Turelus
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    Trial guilds seem to disappearing.

    Battlegrounds are a disaster due to queuing issues, terrible game balance, the lack of a CP mode, and the inability to choose game type.

    Then it seems that with each update everyone needs to change their gear which means it's time to farm for gear again.

    And with this game's terrible RNG, it seems that's what people spend the majority of their time doing; farming.

    It really isn't enjoyable spending days of your life trying to get a particular piece of gear with a specific trait.

    And the people that have left the game say things along the lines of "it feels nice to actually play a game again and have fun"

    Zenimax, I believe you're killing your own game. You're forcing people to play the way you want them to, and in the end it's going to cause people to seek other video games.
    On the flip side though, forums have been pretty good! :tongue:
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  • Urkraft
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    Malic wrote: »
    You forgot one point. Loyal subscribers, anticipating that ZOS would honor the sub deal, you know you get 100% of the downloadable content as long as you pay your sub. That pissed people off when they broke the deal. I know 4 people who canceled out of the gate and I was able to convince another 3 people in my guild to do so as well.

    lets go on. leeching gold from the subscribers, increasing the amount of crown store items and investing more and more time into this, than into fixing very broken parts of the game. i dont know, why they put in that much time into changing again so much stuff about pve, instead of finding a solution for the goldseller/botting problem.
  • Goshua
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    I actually tried to re-sub but Chrome spat the dummy at the counter again so I said sod it and spent 10$ on BDO

    Edited by Goshua on July 12, 2017 8:51AM
  • Urkraft
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    actually i guess, old people going,. many fresh people coming. for zos its okay. they are selling, also the frustration isnt that high for fresh players - and they are open to pay pay pay pay pay cash into crown crates not deep enough in the game yet to care or recognize some issues.

    Edited by Urkraft on July 12, 2017 8:47AM
  • randomkeyhits
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    Not purchased Morrowind yet (will probably do so once I've caught up on all the other content) and I'm not a PvPer but I was just wondering what impact splitting the PvP playerbase between BG haves and have-nots has had? Does it mean that Cyrodil is a lot emptier these days?
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  • Lord_Etrigan
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    To be honest, I'm waiting for Skyrim VR to drop and then I might drop ESO.

    With the lag, crashes, load screens and broken mecanics I have to almost force myself to log in everyday knowing full well what awaits me.

    Cicero "buddy", soon we will "sharpen our blades... make it shiny, gleamy, and oh so deadly..."

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  • Zvorgin
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    ofSunhold wrote: »
    Trial guilds seem to disappearing.

    Battlegrounds are a disaster due to queuing issues, terrible game balance, the lack of a CP mode, and the inability to choose game type.

    Then it seems that with each update everyone needs to change their gear which means it's time to farm for gear again.

    And with this game's terrible RNG, it seems that's what people spend the majority of their time doing; farming.

    It really isn't enjoyable spending days of your life trying to get a particular piece of gear with a specific trait.

    And the people that have left the game say things along the lines of "it feels nice to actually play a game again and have fun"

    Zenimax, I believe you're killing your own game. You're forcing people to play the way you want them to, and in the end it's going to cause people to seek other video games.

    Yeah, it wasn't good. A lot of people I played with left and haven't returned, and my main guild is a ghost town compared to before.

    I'm still pretty pissed about some of the changes if I think about it for more than ten seconds, so I don't. But it killed PvE for me, and PvP is not as fun without my friends. Not happy with the new normal.

    Morrowind is beautiful. Glad I got to see it. But.

    (No, you can't have my stuff.)

    The sustain changes and CP overhaul made the game much much better because there is actually some difficulty put back in, the vast majority of content was a joke and uninteresting because the risk of failure did not exist.

    That said, BoE should replace BoP because the gear grind is real and having BoE just makes the economy so much more robust.
  • gepe87
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    First try yesterday. I regret it. As healer this mode is nothing to me...
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  • GreenhaloX
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    You're forcing people to play the way you want them to, and in the end it's going to cause people to seek other video games.

    This.. already caused; exodus have occurred and will continue so (particularly with more nerfing are scheduled on the not-so-distance horizon.) But.. this is what Zen wants. They are gamer cleansing; passively showing the door to long-time lame duck gamers, like me, who knows how jacked up the game has become and wouldn't drop anymore dime. In turn, they are marketing to new potential gamers who wouldn't yet know better and who will drop the dimes in for crown, subscription and whatever. Hey, I get it.. it's nothing personal; it's just business, and Zen is a business. It's all about making money and profit here, and not to please your gamers clientele.
  • Strider_Roshin
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    Zvorgin wrote: »
    ofSunhold wrote: »
    Trial guilds seem to disappearing.

    Battlegrounds are a disaster due to queuing issues, terrible game balance, the lack of a CP mode, and the inability to choose game type.

    Then it seems that with each update everyone needs to change their gear which means it's time to farm for gear again.

    And with this game's terrible RNG, it seems that's what people spend the majority of their time doing; farming.

    It really isn't enjoyable spending days of your life trying to get a particular piece of gear with a specific trait.

    And the people that have left the game say things along the lines of "it feels nice to actually play a game again and have fun"

    Zenimax, I believe you're killing your own game. You're forcing people to play the way you want them to, and in the end it's going to cause people to seek other video games.

    Yeah, it wasn't good. A lot of people I played with left and haven't returned, and my main guild is a ghost town compared to before.

    I'm still pretty pissed about some of the changes if I think about it for more than ten seconds, so I don't. But it killed PvE for me, and PvP is not as fun without my friends. Not happy with the new normal.

    Morrowind is beautiful. Glad I got to see it. But.

    (No, you can't have my stuff.)

    The sustain changes and CP overhaul made the game much much better because there is actually some difficulty put back in, the vast majority of content was a joke and uninteresting because the risk of failure did not exist.

    That said, BoE should replace BoP because the gear grind is real and having BoE just makes the economy so much more robust.

    I'm in agreement with you on both parts. I like the added difficulty with the sustain changes; although I don't personally think that every class, and type took the hit equally, but that's a discussion for another time.

    As far as gear goes; removing BoP with the exception of DSA, and MSA would be a good thing.

    And in the case of MSA, and DSA adding a token system. I'm aware that ZOS doesn't want to do either of the aforementioned, but what's going to end up occurring (which really we're already in the process of) is a great exodus of players all because ZOS wanted it their way.

    I doubt ZOS is seeing a huge population loss because of all the players that purchased the game for Morrowind, but what they fail to understand is that those leaving are long timers, and the majority of new comers will soon stop playing because they would rather play Elder Scrolls: Morrowind than The Elder Scrolls Online.
  • Rickter
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    I am honestly surprised you got 40 likes.

    in fact, I think the FORUM population has dwindled as new players trying out the game for the first time dont generally hop on the forums.

    ESO is still a high populated bustling environment.

    Trials guilds arent dying off. New ones are being created every day. just about everyone in Wayrest has the vMoL dromathra skin. Guilds are clearing some of the hardest content in the game and just because youve never heard of them doesnt mean they dont exist.

    PvP is STILL booming. there is one 7 day campaign that doesnt get a lot of attention but the fact that the one 30 day cp enabled campaign is bursting at the seams tells me the 7 day campaign NEEDS to be used, but the players refuse - NOT zos' fault.

    Morrowind was an awesome update and one i'd pay full price for again. BGs were a bust but this is a marathon, not a 100 meter dash. Lets hope ZOS does the right thing on that.

    Divines is still BiS for PvE gear - coupled with the IMPROVED Lover Mundus and precise weapons, youll be fine.

    Impen and Sharpened are still BiS for PvP.

    Like this is TYPICAL gloom and doom. TYPICAL its not even original anymore. There was doom and gloom with the sustain changes, but that turned out fine. Stam dps is still fine. DPS is hitting 50k FINE.

    Everything is fine and the game is business as usual. now with MORE build diversity which is exactly what the devs promised. You sir, are the boy who cried wolf without anything but your opinion to sustain your bias agenda driven perception.

    In fact because of what i just said here, every single one of you OWE zos the benefit of the doubt at this point. every. single. one. of. you.
    Edited by Rickter on July 12, 2017 2:31PM
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  • Delta1038
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    I can't really say as much as others on this topic, I have rarely been significantly impacted by changes but it is likely more to playing for fun/roleplaying more than stats. I was ok with spending money on Morrowind and have been enjoying it, I have also been a subscriber for a long time, back before even 1 tamriel. If anything Morrowind got me more into the game and made roleplaying actually easier. But I recognize that this is just me and I could well be in the minority. To be honest though it likely only vaguley matters because once September 6th rolls around I will be dropping every game to play Destiny 2.
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  • Strider_Roshin
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    Delta1038 wrote: »
    I can't really say as much as others on this topic, I have rarely been significantly impacted by changes but it is likely more to playing for fun/roleplaying more than stats. I was ok with spending money on Morrowind and have been enjoying it, I have also been a subscriber for a long time, back before even 1 tamriel. If anything Morrowind got me more into the game and made roleplaying actually easier. But I recognize that this is just me and I could well be in the minority. To be honest though it likely only vaguley matters because once September 6th rolls around I will be dropping every game to play Destiny 2.

    You mean "Destiny Too" lol

    In all seriousness I'll give that game a shot when the open beta becomes available July 20th.
  • idk
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    BGs are fine. Gearing for sustain is the biggest change needed for no CP, not only. Since everyone is either CP it's not a disaster.
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  • Pops_ND_Irish
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    Yada, yada, yada
  • Tan9oSuccka
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    I'm still enjoying the game.

    Retiring from PVP was the best thing I could have done. I knew BG would be a cheese fest like Iron Banner in Destiny.
  • Drachenfier
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    Kodrac wrote: »
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    Got one for "entitled crybabies assemble!"?

    Nvm, found one for you
    Malic wrote: »
    You forgot one point. Loyal subscribers, anticipating that ZOS would honor the sub deal, you know you get 100% of the downloadable content as long as you pay your sub. That pissed people off when they broke the deal. I know 4 people who canceled out of the gate and I was able to convince another 3 people in my guild to do so as well.

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    Edited by Drachenfier on July 12, 2017 2:59PM
  • Strider_Roshin
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    I'm still enjoying the game.

    Retiring from PVP was the best thing I could have done. I knew BG would be a cheese fest like Iron Banner in Destiny.

    At least we won't have to worry about everyone carrying either a shotgun or sniper eh?

    In reference to the cheesiness of BGs yeah that's a big issue, and really Proc sets were only a facet of the issues with BGs.
  • rhapsodious
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    I didn't have to change my build much, but I've definitely been playing less. I feel like after you do the questline in Morrowind and clear all the areas there isn't a whole lot to do. I mean, I've even been trying to farm Bouncing Armchair motifs, but I've got a whopping three pages after hours of farming. :/ And I have max legerdemain and everything, so I feel like I'm fighting an uphill battle when I even want to farm.

    Been spending most of my time in game running pledges, attempting to farm for motifs or practicing vHOF. But I've definitely noticed fewer of my friends logging in consistently. ):

    I'm okay with it though. Probably shouldn't be going full throttle for two years straight, heh. I think I've put more than enough time into the game for it to be worth it. Just feel like this is a lull for a lot of people.
  • Uriel_Nocturne
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    All I know is my own personal experiences from before and then after the Morrowind Update.

    The changes very much negatively affected the game in my opinion, and the experience of playing the game has become almost a chore. This is mainly due to the vastly increased necessity of micro-managing your resources and constantly keeping an eye on your Resource bars rather than being able to simply play. I would much rather have cool-down timers than the current system.

    Add in the reduction of Player Power through Skill/Equipment usage, and you get a Resource micro-management farming sim that has had most all of the fun sucked out of it by ZOS's love for their precious spreadsheets.

    In all, due to the negative turn the game has taken in my eyes; my total play time has dropped from 14-28 hours per week, to a mere 1-2 hours per week. And that's aggregating my play time each day, adding the time it takes me to take care of minor Guild Management tasks and running the few Daily Quests that I enjoy. Other than these specific tasks, there really is no fire left to tempt me to log-in religiously each night like I was doing before Morrowind.

    And this new patch on the PTS further deepens the sour taste from the recent changes to this game.

    So I'm not going to harp on people who love absolutely everything that ZOS does. That's their bag, and they should do what pleases them in regard to this game.

    But IMO and my own personal experience; the changes from Morrowind and this upcoming patch have soured the game for me and removed nigh-all of the "fun" to be had. There's just not much left to the game that causes me to log-in for more than a half-hour (max) each night.

    I know ZOS will never read this, and with their priorities so intently focused on the Crown Store, I don't believe that they would care even if they did read it. But what I described above has made me go back to my other MMORPG's far more, and ESO far less. My sub has long-since been cancelled, and there's just no point in logging-in every night since the Morrowind changes infected this game.

    And I can't see my activity in this game changing for the positive until they start changing that game back to what it was pre-Morrowind. Back when I had fun playing it.

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  • Rickter
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    fun is subjective. fun is what you put its value into. if "fun" is EXCLUSIVELY running trials, then yeah im suprised youre still here.

    but if "fun" is fishing, crafting, farming mats and making gold, helping guildies through content, running small man pvp, running large scale pvp, BGs, motif hunting, completionism. . .

    well then. .. ESO delivers in spades. get rekt. good riddance. and can I have all your gold?

    no? oh yeah its because youll be back in 6 months just like everyone else.

    I remember a certain Mundus raid leader that proclaimed over and over again he stopped playing the game, but you know, hes still here. on and a famous beloved streamer that quit TWICE. . oh but hes still here too.

    ESO is the last stop. this is it bruh. better sink in and invest your time in something else.
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  • Tan9oSuccka
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    I'm still enjoying the game.

    Retiring from PVP was the best thing I could have done. I knew BG would be a cheese fest like Iron Banner in Destiny.

    At least we won't have to worry about everyone carrying either a shotgun or sniper eh?

    In reference to the cheesiness of BGs yeah that's a big issue, and really Proc sets were only a facet of the issues with BGs.

    Good times! Thorn and Suros scrubs.

    I still like the game (Morrowind and PVE) I plan on watching more videos from the lovely sounding French lady on decorating properties, rather than getting insta killed by seven attacks that don't animate or render at all.
  • Gilvoth
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    Malic wrote: »
    I know 4 people who canceled out of the gate and I was able to convince another 3 people in my guild to do so as well.

    you are trying to convince people to leave? why ?


  • Kodrac
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    Got one for "entitled crybabies assemble!"?

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  • Morvane
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    Trial guilds seem to disappearing.

    Battlegrounds are a disaster due to queuing issues, terrible game balance, the lack of a CP mode, and the inability to choose game type.

    Then it seems that with each update everyone needs to change their gear which means it's time to farm for gear again.

    And with this game's terrible RNG, it seems that's what people spend the majority of their time doing; farming.

    It really isn't enjoyable spending days of your life trying to get a particular piece of gear with a specific trait.

    And the people that have left the game say things along the lines of "it feels nice to actually play a game again and have fun"

    Zenimax, I believe you're killing your own game. You're forcing people to play the way you want them to, and in the end it's going to cause people to seek other video games.

    as to me I like Mrwnd very much but its true
    This update or chapter seems unfinished like Vivec city
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  • Drachenfier
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    Kodrac wrote: »

    Got one for "entitled crybabies assemble!"?

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