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  • redshirt_49
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    Sharpened was nerfed, as well it should. It's still not going to affect most people's builds though, as this nerf doesn't suddenly mean you'll need less penetration. I'll keep sharpened and put a few more CPs into piercing and we're back to where we were. Move along, nothing to see here.

    Also, nirnhoned...lol, no.
  • Izaki
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    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.

    Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".

    9% crit vs 200 weapon/spell damage. Its not that close considering ideally you drop the Thief mundus stone for either Shadow or the Lover.
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  • Glamdring
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    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.

    Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".

    9% crit vs 200 weapon/spell damage. Its not that close considering ideally you drop the Thief mundus stone for either Shadow or the Lover.

    For pvp nirn is absolutely an option this time around. Everyone and his Mother running impen so more crit chance wont do as much as 15% nirn damage will do. I will for sure make a build around my nirn maelstrom greatsword.
  • theamazingx
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Isn't sharpened still BiS anyway after the changes?
    gethemshauna wrote: »
    Sharpened still bis in most scenarios.

    Shhh, let em farm maelstrom for a few more weeks, it'll do them good
  • Universe
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    I did a test, Precise is about 10-11% more dps same duration.
    Dps with Precise: about 2.8k
    Dps with Nirnhoned: about 2.5K
    Skills used: light attack and Crushing shock, 5 times rotation.
    Weapons used: Maple Inferno staves, Precise & Nirnhoned.
    Sets used: None
    Some videos I recorded for fun:
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  • DMuehlhausen
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    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    Why are you using sharp on s/b anyways? Tanks ought to have infused with the crusher enchant, which got a major buff this patch.

    play the way you want..isn't tank dps too?
  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Lord wrote: »
    I did a test, Precise is about 10-11% more dps same duration.
    Dps with Precise: about 2.8k
    Dps with Nirnhoned: about 2.5K
    Skills used: light attack and Crushing shock, 5 times rotation.
    Weapons used: Maple Inferno staves, Precise & Nirnhoned.
    Sets used: None

    Far too low of a parse . You need to get something along the lines of the 6 million dummy at least, preferably the 25 million Centurion.
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.

    Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".

    9% crit vs 200 weapon/spell damage. Its not that close considering ideally you drop the Thief mundus stone for either Shadow or the Lover.

    It is at least 240 extra SD/WD, 250 if your group has a Templar.

    You realize that they were within .2% of each other, when they were 7% and 219. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/262295/nirnhoned-precise-and-sharpened/p1
    DMuehlhausen wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    Why are you using sharp on s/b anyways? Tanks ought to have infused with the crusher enchant, which got a major buff this patch.

    play the way you want..isn't tank dps too?

    Tank can do whatever they want if it is a normal dungeon and most vet. But if it is actually hard content, I want a tank. Not a dps with a s/b.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 11, 2017 12:44PM
  • Universe
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    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    Lord wrote: »
    I did a test, Precise is about 10-11% more dps same duration.
    Dps with Precise: about 2.8k
    Dps with Nirnhoned: about 2.5K
    Skills used: light attack and Crushing shock, 5 times rotation.
    Weapons used: Maple Inferno staves, Precise & Nirnhoned.
    Sets used: None

    Far too low of a parse . You need to get something along the lines of the 6 million dummy at least, preferably the 25 million Centurion.
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.

    Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".

    9% crit vs 200 weapon/spell damage. Its not that close considering ideally you drop the Thief mundus stone for either Shadow or the Lover.

    It is at least 240 extra SD/WD, 250 if your group has a Templar.

    You realize that they were within .2% of each other, when they were 7% and 219,

    I did the tests 20 times per each staff, then I added up the values and divided them by 20.
    Not a single test, but 20 tests, about 500k+ HP each test.
    Some videos I recorded for fun:
    I Soloed Saint Llothis the Pious(Trial Boss)
    My Youtube channel: Universe ESO
    Main character:
    PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
    Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
    PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
    Started playing ESO in beta & early access
    User_ID: Daedric_Prince
  • Blackbird_V
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    Lord_Dexter wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.

    Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".

    Nirn will buff VMA weapons damage greatly so will be BIS for VMA weapons

    Actually... I disagree. Penetration > Raw Damage. Unless you're in a godly group that can reduce a Vet target's resistance to 0 (18 200 resistance worth), sharpened wins, especially on 2-handers now.

    Unless you want to sacrifice crit rating for penetration via mundus, but then that's a DPS loss unless you use Mother's Sorrow (Magicka).

    Stamina builds have it easier though.

    I may be wrong. Lets see how it pans out.
    Edited by Blackbird_V on July 11, 2017 12:29PM
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  • UrbanMonk
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    I think these changes are a way of ZOS to compensate for those player who do not have access to the BiS Sharp weapons or those who have no patience for grinding that perfect vMA sharp inferno. I'm not saying that the other traits will now overtake the Sharp but in some scenarios other traits will outperform sharp and the difference gap of traits is now even lesser.

    I'm fine with these changes, compared to what we had in last patch :wink:
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  • Lightspeedflashb14_ESO
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    Lord wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    Lord wrote: »
    I did a test, Precise is about 10-11% more dps same duration.
    Dps with Precise: about 2.8k
    Dps with Nirnhoned: about 2.5K
    Skills used: light attack and Crushing shock, 5 times rotation.
    Weapons used: Maple Inferno staves, Precise & Nirnhoned.
    Sets used: None

    Far too low of a parse . You need to get something along the lines of the 6 million dummy at least, preferably the 25 million Centurion.
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
    IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
    Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.

    Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".

    9% crit vs 200 weapon/spell damage. Its not that close considering ideally you drop the Thief mundus stone for either Shadow or the Lover.

    It is at least 240 extra SD/WD, 250 if your group has a Templar.

    You realize that they were within .2% of each other, when they were 7% and 219,

    I did the tests 20 times per each staff, then I added up the values and divided them by 20.
    Not a single test, but 20 tests, about 500k+ HP each test.

    that is still way too low of a parse, you could have just got lucky with crits. you need to do a long, 3 minute+, parse to let the effects of crit rating normalize.
    Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 11, 2017 12:46PM
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