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Prob the 600th post on this but... This is possibly one of the biggest nerfs yet i think. I mean just the sheer number of people that have spent hundreds of hours in vma trying to get sharp weapons and now we're back to nirnhoned. And never mind all the other people farming sharpened weapons in dungeons/overland. I mean i spent 4-500 runs in darkshade L4 an automaton sharp 2h just to never get it... To bad i only have a vma flame staff in nirnhoned and some old weapons from crafted sets, they still will be good, but i literally got my sharp 2h a couple months ago. Deff sucks.. Pretty much the only thing i found absolutely ridiculous reading that today tbh..
But on another note i am sooo open to see where zos takes the game, even with this nerf, because almost anything is better than where we are right now. Also i dont think this sharp nerf should go down like this. Nirn is already going to be better with the buff, am i to understand that now if i run S/B i am getting only like 1375 pen?? or can we at least give S/B the full 2750 or whatever it is. Idk, as is the life of playing an mmo i suppose.. Any thoughts? Especially with s/b and overland sets that (i think) dont drop in nirn, such as silks..
But on another note i am sooo open to see where zos takes the game, even with this nerf, because almost anything is better than where we are right now. Also i dont think this sharp nerf should go down like this. Nirn is already going to be better with the buff, am i to understand that now if i run S/B i am getting only like 1375 pen?? or can we at least give S/B the full 2750 or whatever it is. Idk, as is the life of playing an mmo i suppose.. Any thoughts? Especially with s/b and overland sets that (i think) dont drop in nirn, such as silks..
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✭✭✭✭Why are you using sharp on s/b anyways? Tanks ought to have infused with the crusher enchant, which got a major buff this patch.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 11, 2017 6:59AM1 -
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✭✭ya.. On an other-other note, if i researched or decond my nirn vma 2h i think it just might break me
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First off, lol lightingspeed.
You must be talking about PvP, cause no mag do uses s/b in pve, you really ought to specify that in the op.0 -
Sigma957✭✭✭✭✭Sharpened and defending were over performing anyway but at least now the other traits can be used.4 -
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✭heh. the only weapons I ever kept from my entire 3 years of playing ESO have either been sharpened or defending
no way i am going to re-grind for weapons again.
p.s. my magdk uses s&b with a sharpened weapon! in PVE & PVP.NA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭Prob the 600th post on this but... This is possibly one of the biggest nerfs yet i think. I mean just the sheer number of people that have spent hundreds of hours in vma trying to get sharp weapons and now we're back to nirnhoned. And never mind all the other people farming sharpened weapons in dungeons/overland. I mean i spent 4-500 runs in darkshade L4 an automaton sharp 2h just to never get it... To bad i only have a vma flame staff in nirnhoned and some old weapons from crafted sets, they still will be good, but i literally got my sharp 2h a couple months ago. Deff sucks.. Pretty much the only thing i found absolutely ridiculous reading that today tbh..
Its not doom and gloom
. early indications that i am hearing from number crunchers are that sharpened will still be BiS in the majority of gameplay, the buffs to precise and nirnhoned are a gap closer and bring these traits to be more desirable/effective in larger group play scenarios. The "nerf" to sharpened was more than likely made because the intention was indeed to increase effectiveness of nirned and precise, buffing these two traits without knocking down sharpened may just have made nirned and precise way too strong as the %'age increase they would have needed would have had to be a lot higher..
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✭✭Technically it's not a nerf. It's just being reverted. Prior to May 16 no one knew sharpened existed and got wet over precise.
Check out the scores from @IzakiBrotherSs no sharpened there. Not sure how the f you hit 86% crit without thief but hey...guess he finally got fed up with RNG screwing him over on the sharpened eh? Good times ahead.PC Master Race
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Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭You can now go precise on weapons, lover mundus (that makes up the loss on sharpened), TBS divines armor, and add either Warrior/serpent as the second mundus.
That would be a strong build.Edited by Bonzodog01 on July 11, 2017 10:08AMXbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 20151 -
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✭This thread is very very nice and very needed. You're just salty that you have a sharp weapon drop that you lucked out on. Time to experience what the rest of us unlucky peeps are.
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✭Bonzodog01 wrote: »You can now go precise on weapons, lover mundus (that makes up the loss on sharpened), TBS divines armor, and add either Warrior/serpent as the second mundus.
That would be a strong build.
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✭✭✭✭✭I like the fact more traits are usefull even if not BiS. It means that with a proper rotation and OK traits, you will be able to pull the right DPS (even if you dont have sharpened weapon of your set)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭White wabbit wrote: »Yep sometimes I think Zos just go too far on some of there changes
This, should have buffed the other traits but not nerf sharpened/def3 -
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✭✭Precise>Nirnhoned.
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✭✭✭✭It's fully justified. The game was too lopsided in favor of putting CP in just a handful of stars, using only 2-3 mundus stones and using the same trait for most weapons. Sharpened weapons are still good, but not without any other thought at the overall build, group buffs and debuffs - sets like Alkosh, Torug's Pact (with infused weapon and crusher enchant), Sunderflame, Night Mother's Gaze, Morag Tong are in the game for a reason and I expect them to be used . I really liked the changes they did with the Morrowind patch and the ones they are going to implement next patch are just complementing them quite nicely. GG ZoS.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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It is based on numbers.
Many have tested it on PTS, the Precise is better than Nirnhoned.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
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Precise is not best for PvP at least. Useless against shields. It's like it should be, situational.1 -
Eirella✭✭✭✭✭This is exactly why I don't farm gear, and use crafted gear
Edited by Eirella on July 11, 2017 11:01AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Well, from what I know only VMA drops weapons in Nirnhoned. I've also seen them in PvP leaderboard rewards. Not sure about the other trial leaderboard rewards. The only reliable way to get those is to craft them.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
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✭✭Isn't sharpened still BiS anyway after the changes?- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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It is based on numbers.
Many have tested it on PTS, the Precise is better than Nirnhoned.
Ok thanks but do you know how big is the difference ? are we talking 1 % here ?1 -
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✭✭✭First, i think that if you know there is a "current best" and you get it and use it in a living mmo, you ought to know it wasnt always the "current best" and wont always be the "current best" .
So you got it and used it during its period of top and there you go. You got what you "paid for". Nothing comes with promuse of "forever the best."
Second, these changes make things closer, so the difference between best and third best and even 5th best is even less. So the need to re-grind is more personality that mathematically motivated.
Personally, i like the direction of the changes and even knowing the values are likely to tweak during pts, it seems good to me.
Then again, long time fan of precise for the crits for healing.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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getemshauna✭✭✭✭✭Sharpened still bis in most scenarios.Founder of Call of the Undaunted
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✭✭✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.
Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".0 -
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✭I would bet a significant amount of gold that Nirnhoned will still be nothing other than an over-priced research item.
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Nirnhoned doesn't even come close to Precise.
Based on what? And what do you mean by close? Cause I think anything under 2% is "close".
Nirn will buff VMA weapons damage greatly so will be BIS for VMA weaponsEdited by Lord_Eomer on July 11, 2017 11:31AM0
