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Cliff Racer
Casterial
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http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Screaming+Cliff+Racer
Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Edited by Casterial on July 10, 2017 5:27AM Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭It's a vicious animal that sees you trying to dodge and changes course to hit you anyway. And DK wings don't work on winged animals, it just makes them angry that you have them at all and they hit you harder.
It is blockable however because it's vicious and focused but not necessarily smart.
/lore reason
Wardens don't have many class skills that do damage, and their damage isn't all that great overall, so adjustments were made. If cliff racer was easily mitigated, the class would be much worse off than it is now.
/speculative reasonClasses that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.12 -
Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's a vicious animal that sees you trying to dodge and changes course to hit you anyway. And DK wings don't work on winged animals, it just makes them angry that you have them at all and they hit you harder.
It is blockable however because it's vicious and focused but not necessarily smart.
/lore reason
Wardens don't have many class skills that do damage, and their damage isn't all that great overall, so adjustments were made. If cliff racer was easily mitigated, the class would be much worse off than it is now.
/speculative reason
In the Alpha of morrowind mine was doing 30k DPS in a crit rush, they have been quite strong. Just set them up right, but they are squishy.
They should count as a projectile, but I mean the wings of a dragon knight are demonic, dragon wings.... But a bird goes through them?Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Screaming+Cliff+Racer
Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
I agree, my recent experience in cyrodil and battlegrounds was complete distaster and with like 27k resistance and 1500 crit resistance was still taking 5k damage..Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 10, 2017 5:58AM0 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭It's a vicious animal that sees you trying to dodge and changes course to hit you anyway. And DK wings don't work on winged animals, it just makes them angry that you have them at all and they hit you harder.
It is blockable however because it's vicious and focused but not necessarily smart.
/lore reason
Wardens don't have many class skills that do damage, and their damage isn't all that great overall, so adjustments were made. If cliff racer was easily mitigated, the class would be much worse off than it is now.
/speculative reason
In the Alpha of morrowind mine was doing 30k DPS in a crit rush, they have been quite strong. Just set them up right, but they are squishy.
They should count as a projectile, but I mean the wings of a dragon knight are demonic, dragon wings.... But a bird goes through them?
Mmhm. You're just pissing them off with your flappy wings. Now you've got angry cliff racers to the face. Get that shield up!Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.4 -
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✭✭The birds/shalks define the warden.
Just like curse and frags define the magsorc.
People will adapt!5 -
Krayzie✭✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »The birds/shalks define the warden.
Just like curse and frags define the magsorc.
People will adapt!
Curse isn't instant damage, frags have cast times, or wait for proc and can be dodged.
Cliff racer is basically cold hard damage if there's more than one opponent unless you just stand there and block(lol)I'm a PVE roleplayer concerned about my vampires stage 4 skin tone and keep getting load screens so I came here to distract people from major issues with a rant thread about my characters cosmetic appearance.5 -
Dustfinger81✭✭✭unless you just stand there and block(lol)
Why wouldn't you? If they are so cavalier about depleting their primary resource, let them break themselves against your wall. If it is using their secondary resource, then there won't be much to block anyway.
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I love how Wardens are "we" when its new. However, blocking is a waste of stamina in the long run, much like a Templar their only hope to sustain is to spam BOL and hope you dont CC them, if you do and they were blocking, they're dead the moment they hit the ground.
If it is the only spammable skill, it should be like jabs then, builds up and is not instant, perhaps a proc as the past said? Like Sorc is a proc, or hard-cast.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Dracofyre✭✭✭✭i dont like Cliffracers' loud cries that keep chain stunning if they are in mess of cluster attacks, i call that pure BS WTH!
devs need to go back and redo them, ENOUGH of that!Edited by Dracofyre on July 10, 2017 11:48AM0 -
morrowjen✭✭✭✭✭Probably because the most annoying thing in the original Morrowind was Cliffracers attacking you every two seconds. Seriously, go on Nexus right now and you can find several mods dealing with Cliffracers.0
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Scorch skill is OP combining with this spammable skill.
I did few battlegrounds yesterday on MDK and warden in small group spamming this racer and scorch. Death recap shows these two skills mostly
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Haquor✭✭✭✭✭http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Screaming+Cliff+Racer
Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Going to be honest with you.... this kinda reads like a nerf request.4 -
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✭✭✭✭http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Screaming+Cliff+Racer
Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Newsflash
Block has been invented.
Also, it is not an instant skill.
BTW if Warden killed you with just a cliff racer, you need to L2P.3 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Screaming+Cliff+Racer
Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Newsflash
Block has been invented.
Also, it is not an instant skill.
BTW if Warden killed you with just a cliff racer, you need to L2P.
In small group its op especially Battlegrounds!Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 10, 2017 12:09PM1 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭Pugs to experienced players use this cheese skill. Made me slot fullproc setup even if i dont like it just to kill thoose *** spammers.0
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Bakkagami✭✭✭http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Screaming+Cliff+Racer
Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Its really strong when people don't know to block it and try to reflect/dodge resulting in them taking full damage. As for why it isn't reflectable, from a logic perspective, dk wings don't reflect projectiles if the source isn't a target they can attack. (same reasons winds don't reflect arrows from the nightblades shade, skoria, meteor, and other "projectiles" that don't have the opposing player as the source).1 -
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✭Cliff Racer must be projectile, not just "magic".- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
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✭✭✭✭✭The pro forum knights say you need to block it.
So just block it and achieve nothing.
People don't like counterplay it seems.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...4 -
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Why is this skill incredible strong?
When playing on my dragonknight I was taking 5k cliff racers to the face in full impen, with my shields and armor up.
5k per cliff racer, that was 5-6 cliff racers in 5seconds, that was 20-30k damage in 5 seconds, I could not reflect, I could not dodge, I could not out-range it... What is the purpose of making a normal skill not reflectable or dodgable
I understand the purpose of skills like destruction, its a channel. But this one is not channel, its just an instant high damage skill.
I'm not crying nerf, but I want to know the reasoning behind this skill being so incredible strong.
Its really strong when people don't know to block it and try to reflect/dodge resulting in them taking full damage. As for why it isn't reflectable, from a logic perspective, dk wings don't reflect projectiles if the source isn't a target they can attack. (same reasons winds don't reflect arrows from the nightblades shade, skoria, meteor, and other "projectiles" that don't have the opposing player as the source).
What will blocking achieve apart from costing you a lot of stamina?PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭✭✭✭Dustfinger81 wrote: »unless you just stand there and block(lol)
Why wouldn't you? If they are so cavalier about depleting their primary resource, let them break themselves against your wall. If it is using their secondary resource, then there won't be much to block anyway.
Lmao it'll cost you a lot more resources standing there blocking than it will cost them spamming cliff racer, it's cheaper than most other spam skills.
PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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✭✭yean lets nerf warden more:)
sorc scrolls online ftw!
I haven't played against wardens enough in pvp to say that CR needs a nerf per se, but I think it definately needs to be dodgable. Seriously, we can dodge pretty much every other projectile in the game, but we can't dodge an annoying arse bird that has been pestering me since TES: III?
Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
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How is this skill becoming dodgeable doing to affect pve?
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Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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You mean only reliable damage. Deep fissure rarely lands against good players, and the DoT can just be purged. Other than that, it's all we got.4
