Forums is 1% of Games Population

SanderBuraas · July 2017

Silence is consent. How can a game improve without feedback? Quite ironic since ESO has such a good forum.

Universe · July 2017

10 million accounts ?
We don't know how many accounts per each player and if the said number of accounts is true.
All of the above statistics are inaccurate.
But nice try though.

Turelus · July 2017

Lord wrote: »

10 million accounts ?
We don't know how many accounts per each player and if the said number of accounts is true.
All of the above statistics are inaccurate.
But nice try though.

That's why I said so in my post as we lack accurate PCU number. Nice try though.

Universe · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

10 million accounts ?
We don't know how many accounts per each player and if the said number of accounts is true.
All of the above statistics are inaccurate.
But nice try though.

That's why I said so in my post as we lack accurate PCU number. Nice try though.

So why bother with opening a thread about this if there is no accurate information and ZOS is unwilling to share the accurate information if I may ask ?
Too many wild guesses are in this thread IMO.

subtlezeroub17_ESO · July 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

But like any sample size when gathering data you can assume that the views expressed here represent the views of a much larger segment of the population than voice opinions on these forums. And judging by the posts here I'd say we have a good range of user types from streamers and top players to people who couldn't care less about balance or who procs what, and are still working their way through the main game and only intend to ever play it solo.

No good reputable sample size is less than 5% . Furthermore, there's a lot of reasons why the forums can't represent the overall community

Turelus · July 2017

Lord wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Lord wrote: »

10 million accounts ?
We don't know how many accounts per each player and if the said number of accounts is true.
All of the above statistics are inaccurate.
But nice try though.

That's why I said so in my post as we lack accurate PCU number. Nice try though.

So why bother with opening a thread about this if there is no accurate information and ZOS is unwilling to share the accurate information if I may ask ?
Too many wild guesses are in this thread IMO.

Because it was interesting numbers regardless (how few have commented when the game boasts 10mil accounts), it's created a discussion which has reached a second page, some people had a laugh (myself included) and I haven't made a trashy post in a while.

It's fun and informational and doesn't make any bold declarations of absolute truth. I thought I had handled that well enough, maybe I should bold those parts for people in future.

jazsper77 · July 2017

I have to reply just do to the absolute lies about the 1% pop on forums. Its the typical BS that White Knights rush in to spew when players post negative topics ANY GAMES forum.
What these players/companies fail to add/tell you in this conversation is that THE OFFICIAL FORUMS is not the only Forums available to which a games community discusses issues,questions,recruiting,walkthroughs, etc
Reddit,Gamesfaqs,YouTube,gamespot,Apps,etc
When you add all players visiting all forums debating the good the bad and the ugly about a game it's far greater then 1%.
SMDH

Honda puts out a recall that 50 million airbags on accords a defective. Only 1 million actually have recall done, so I guess the airbags aren't defective according to the white knights of gaming.

1000's of pics and vids on lag, white knight I don't have lag you all are making crap up.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

What has always entertained me is the fact that people use that saying on the forums. Your complaints don't matter you are part of the vocal minority of the forums! If that is the case your praise is just as pointless. Because Everyone here is part of the vocal minority.

I suppose someone could be part of the vocal minority, of the vocal minority?

Malic · July 2017

So why would zos make changes to the game on less than 1% of the communities feedback? Are they idiots?

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

What has always entertained me is the fact that people use that saying on the forums. Your complaints don't matter you are part of the vocal minority of the forums! If that is the case your praise is just as pointless. Because Everyone here is part of the vocal minority.

I suppose someone could be part of the vocal minority, of the vocal minority?

People cannot claim to promote the will of the many and demand changes.
They can promote logical opinions and let the devs decide

KeiruNicrom · July 2017

Cocorocho wrote: »

10 Million accounts:

1 Million gold sellers/bot accounts
3 Million people who quit the game 1 day after trying group finder tool
3 Million people quit after 1000 runs of vma/xxx trial and still not getting their desired item
1 Million who played the game for long time, achieved everything they want in the game, got bored and moved on
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1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

1 Million competetive people who wants the game to be better and criticise ZOS about their failures and trying to get their voice heard on forums.

Hmm yes minority indeed

I am an overlap of the last two. I am competetive on the weekends and play decoration simulator during weekdays

itehache · July 2017

I do not know about numbers, but what I know is that I am the only one in my guild who reads the forums haha

idk · July 2017

Feanor wrote: »

You should stop posting and git gud in the game instead, Turelus.

He is top 0.000059 in the forums. That is pretty good at something.

JK Please take it as no offense.

Sausage · July 2017

If I think myself, definitely trolls are at the forums, I believe most trolls are gone though, dunno where, the new generation just doesnt have it anymore, like we had. Anarchy Online back in 2001 was my very first game forum most likely.

Turelus wrote: »

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Come on, 3 platforms and 2 continent, game is 3 year old? 10 mill is 100% right.

idk · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

What has always entertained me is the fact that people use that saying on the forums. Your complaints don't matter you are part of the vocal minority of the forums! If that is the case your praise is just as pointless. Because Everyone here is part of the vocal minority.

I suppose someone could be part of the vocal minority, of the vocal minority?

People cannot claim to promote the will of the many and demand changes.
They can promote logical opinions and let the devs decide

Yet people make assumptions that they speak for all. I have seen comments that almost 100% of players (sic) do this or think that when their is no such information to back up that conjecture.

Alucardo · July 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

Forum posters are the equivalent of Lobbyists in the real world. Self indulgent, all talk, no bite, full bull.

Glad to have you on board. You seem like a nice fellow.

Rohamad_Ali · July 2017

It doe not matter if someone is .0000001% of the population if they are 100% right . We have some of the most brilliant minds here that do a lot of work free for the game .

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

It doe not matter if someone is .0000001% of the population if they are 100% right . We have some of the most brilliant minds here that do a lot of work free for the game .

Thank you. That is very kind of you to say. All the work I do here on the forums wouldn't be possible without the support of all the little people. So thank you all.

Rouven · July 2017

Ok, so I'm a 1%er. Good to know.

James, bring the Royce up the front I feel like a victory lap, pip pip.

Betsararie · July 2017

You always hear the forums are a small minority of any respective community, and that is oftentimes true.

That said, the 10 million number is not representative at all of the actual number of people who currently play the game.

I would guess the actual percentage of people who regularly go to the forums who also play, is closer to 10%. Of course, that is just a guess.

Invincible · July 2017

10 million people and out of 10 million I can't find 3 other players from level 10-CP630 to run a random normal dungeon with.

http://imgur.com/a/vKIfQ

Wifeaggro13 · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

We read it all the time in debates about the community "the forums is the vocal minority in the community" but just what kind of a minority is that?

Well if we take ZOS numbers from E3 2017 stating the game has 10 million accounts, then look at the First Comment badge on the forums we can see (at time of posting) only 133,604 have the badge.

So if you're going to base the forums vocal minority around just one comment then the forums population is 1.3% of the rough number of people who have purchased ESO. If expanded to people who have bothered to make 10 Comments (31,398) making them 0.31% of the number of people who have purchased the game.

The more you look into the number of people who are likely to be the ones posting often enough to have issues noticed by ZOS then the numbers get even more silly.

100 Comments 6,334 meaning 0.063%
500 Comments 1,611 meaning 0.016%
1,000 Comments 760 meaning 0.0076%
2,500 Comments 196 meaning 0.0019%
5,000 Comments 42 meaning 0.00041%
10,000 Comments 6 meaning 0.000059%

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

There are not 10 million players those are accounts. Imcluding their freeweekends and beta accounts. Zos did not even sell anywhere close to 10 million copies. Maybe 3 or 4 mil combined pc and console. As far as active player base i would be suprised if it were 1 million combined. Eso is B2P so no chance even 10 mil churn on this game. Sales did not hit zos projections but the first year they had really good retention. Now its just a churn game with no permanent community.

svartorn · July 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

Forum posters are the equivalent of Lobbyists in the real world. Self indulgent, all talk, no bite, full bull.

What else are we supposed to do when in a load screen or relogging over and over and over again?

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

Vapirko wrote: »

But like any sample size when gathering data you can assume that the views expressed here represent the views of a much larger segment of the population than voice opinions on these forums. And judging by the posts here I'd say we have a good range of user types from streamers and top players to people who couldn't care less about balance or who procs what, and are still working their way through the main game and only intend to ever play it solo.

Not at all. Both BioWare and Bethesda have published in-game data in the past. Read the BioWare ME forums you'd be excused for thinking everyone at least attempts insanity difficulty with each and every passing game, that it's a split between femshep and male Shepard, that the soldier class is the least popular and so on. None of that was actually representative of the overall player base. Soldier was by far and away the most popular class, followed by players opting for the male protagonist and around 5% of the player base ever stepped foot into insanity difficulty. The Bethesda data went pretty much against the grain of the forums too.

The reality is, whether we want to admit it or not, people who visit these forums, especially those of us who frequent them a lot are more prone to expressing our opinions more loudly than the vast majority who don't actually gaf.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

But like any sample size when gathering data you can assume that the views expressed here represent the views of a much larger segment of the population than voice opinions on these forums. And judging by the posts here I'd say we have a good range of user types from streamers and top players to people who couldn't care less about balance or who procs what, and are still working their way through the main game and only intend to ever play it solo.

Not at all. Both BioWare and Bethesda have published in-game data in the past. Read the BioWare ME forums you'd be excused for thinking everyone at least attempts insanity difficulty with each and every passing game, that it's a split between femshep and male Shepard, that the soldier class is the least popular and so on. None of that was actually representative of the overall player base. Soldier was by far and away the most popular class, followed by players opting for the male protagonist and around 5% of the player base ever stepped foot into insanity difficulty. The Bethesda data went pretty much against the grain of the forums too.

The reality is, whether we want to admit it or not, people who visit these forums, especially those of us who frequent them a lot are more prone to expressing our opinions more loudly than the vast majority who don't actually gaf.

I can't find the Bethesda data, but here's the Mass Effect data http://kotaku.com/5992092/two-thirds-of-you-played-mass-effect-3-as-a-paragon-mostly-as-soldiers

laksikus · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

We read it all the time in debates about the community "the forums is the vocal minority in the community" but just what kind of a minority is that?

Well if we take ZOS numbers from E3 2017 stating the game has 10 million accounts, then look at the First Comment badge on the forums we can see (at time of posting) only 133,604 have the badge.

So if you're going to base the forums vocal minority around just one comment then the forums population is 1.3% of the rough number of people who have purchased ESO. If expanded to people who have bothered to make 10 Comments (31,398) making them 0.31% of the number of people who have purchased the game.

The more you look into the number of people who are likely to be the ones posting often enough to have issues noticed by ZOS then the numbers get even more silly.

100 Comments 6,334 meaning 0.063%
500 Comments 1,611 meaning 0.016%
1,000 Comments 760 meaning 0.0076%
2,500 Comments 196 meaning 0.0019%
5,000 Comments 42 meaning 0.00041%
10,000 Comments 6 meaning 0.000059%

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

In that case of 10m Accounts.
ZOS should just be honest and dont count test Accounts and console multi Accounts.
It's missleading

starkerealm · July 2017

Cocorocho wrote: »

3 Million people quit after 1000 runs of vma/xxx trial and still not getting their desired item

*Falls out of chair laughing.*

SodanTok · July 2017

If we go by steam data and apply them to to the whole ESO roughly 10% of all owners are playing the game. It is not very precise, the more interested PC folk probably bought it from Zenimax directly or some other shop (which usually had better deals) rather than steam

For anyone thinking the value of 10M accounts is considering free players or beta players.... yeah that would be probably even illegal. Or something something with artificial increase in value of product/company and the effect on shareholders.

Floki_Vilgerdarson · July 2017

These forums are a sub-culture. You have to be very careful to follow their norms or you will be attacked by trolls and moderators alike.

Most forums tend to be a club like this. The club vocal leaders become the moderators if they make Zos happy, thereby granting perceived power to the leaders of this small vocal group.

I hope I did not step on any egos, but you big number posters are not the majority opinion. You have intimidated many players so much they are afraid to post here. I am not afraid, but others are, and for good reason.

I am ready for my moderator message now. I spoke the truth and I will face the wrath of the forum Sub-Culture.

Love,

Floki

DaveMoeDee · July 2017

I have 2 accounts with the game purchased. I also have at least 8 free trial accounts that do not have the game, but are still listed in a guild. A lot of people have multiple accounts.

I wonder how they count the multiple game accounts on consoles where one purchase may have 3 separate accounts playing.