Forums is 1% of Games Population

Meetre

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

People that claim that some views in forums reflect the majority of players are not very bright.

Could I introduce you to my friend, called statistics?

Chrlynsch

Eww a Math

Magdalina

Cocorocho wrote: »

10 Million accounts:

1 Million gold sellers/bot accounts
3 Million people who quit the game 1 day after trying group finder tool
3 Million people quit after 1000 runs of vma/xxx trial and still not getting their desired item
1 Million who played the game for long time, achieved everything they want in the game, got bored and moved on
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1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

1 Million competetive people who wants the game to be better and criticise ZOS about their failures and trying to get their voice heard on forums.

Hmm yes minority indeed

You're being way too generous. Like 7 millions probably never even completed the tutorial. Iirc console users have access to achievements tracking and it's like 10% total "users" who have even completed the tutorial and 3% who defeated Molag Bal or something like that.

Of course Zeni would rather talk about 10 millions copies sold than say (totally wild number) 300k currently active players but what's the point of this thread besides farming forum points?

Mojmir

Regardless of what percentage it represents, they're still customers and they should be heard.

DaveMoeDee

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

But like any sample size when gathering data you can assume that the views expressed here represent the views of a much larger segment of the population than voice opinions on these forums. And judging by the posts here I'd say we have a good range of user types from streamers and top players to people who couldn't care less about balance or who procs what, and are still working their way through the main game and only intend to ever play it solo.

Not at all. Both BioWare and Bethesda have published in-game data in the past. Read the BioWare ME forums you'd be excused for thinking everyone at least attempts insanity difficulty with each and every passing game, that it's a split between femshep and male Shepard, that the soldier class is the least popular and so on. None of that was actually representative of the overall player base. Soldier was by far and away the most popular class, followed by players opting for the male protagonist and around 5% of the player base ever stepped foot into insanity difficulty. The Bethesda data went pretty much against the grain of the forums too.

The reality is, whether we want to admit it or not, people who visit these forums, especially those of us who frequent them a lot are more prone to expressing our opinions more loudly than the vast majority who don't actually gaf.

I can't find the Bethesda data, but here's the Mass Effect data http://kotaku.com/5992092/two-thirds-of-you-played-mass-effect-3-as-a-paragon-mostly-as-soldiers

I am surprised by the soldier revelation. So unappealing.

DaveMoeDee

Magdalina wrote: »

Cocorocho wrote: »

10 Million accounts:

1 Million gold sellers/bot accounts
3 Million people who quit the game 1 day after trying group finder tool
3 Million people quit after 1000 runs of vma/xxx trial and still not getting their desired item
1 Million who played the game for long time, achieved everything they want in the game, got bored and moved on
--

1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

1 Million competetive people who wants the game to be better and criticise ZOS about their failures and trying to get their voice heard on forums.

Hmm yes minority indeed

You're being way too generous. Like 7 millions probably never even completed the tutorial. Iirc console users have access to achievements tracking and it's like 10% total "users" who have even completed the tutorial and 3% who defeated Molag Bal or something like that.

Of course Zeni would rather talk about 10 millions copies sold than say (totally wild number) 300k currently active players but what's the point of this thread besides farming forum points?

I have 3 friends that bought ESO at launch. One never played it, though she has the Molag Bal statue. I suppose she might not even count as having an account. Her boyfriend played maybe 2 hours. My third friend may have reached Coldharbour and I did some PvP with him in a guild we both joined (a PvP guild that completely left game after 3 months).

HeathenDeacon

i seriously doubt theres much more than 200k actively playing on ps4 currently.
Morrowind did seem to bump up the pop., at least temporarily. Before the expansion i would said lower than 200k.

It wouldnt even surprise me if the real numbers were closer to 100k, but its really hard to tell compared to other mmos because how much of the Pop. plays solo.

Axoinus

Turelus wrote: »

We read it all the time in debates about the community "the forums is the vocal minority in the community" but just what kind of a minority is that?

Well if we take ZOS numbers from E3 2017 stating the game has 10 million accounts, then look at the First Comment badge on the forums we can see (at time of posting) only 133,604 have the badge.

So if you're going to base the forums vocal minority around just one comment then the forums population is 1.3% of the rough number of people who have purchased ESO. If expanded to people who have bothered to make 10 Comments (31,398) making them 0.31% of the number of people who have purchased the game.

The more you look into the number of people who are likely to be the ones posting often enough to have issues noticed by ZOS then the numbers get even more silly.

100 Comments 6,334 meaning 0.063%
500 Comments 1,611 meaning 0.016%
1,000 Comments 760 meaning 0.0076%
2,500 Comments 196 meaning 0.0019%
5,000 Comments 42 meaning 0.00041%
10,000 Comments 6 meaning 0.000059%

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

Based on the research I've done, I am the only person playing this game. I am also the only one who posts in the forums. Everyone else is bots. Or possibly agents.

Point being, any theory is viable.

Zorvan

SodanTok wrote: »

If we go by steam data and apply them to to the whole ESO roughly 10% of all owners are playing the game. It is not very precise, the more interested PC folk probably bought it from Zenimax directly or some other shop (which usually had better deals) rather than steam

For anyone thinking the value of 10M accounts is considering free players or beta players.... yeah that would be probably even illegal. Or something something with artificial increase in value of product/company and the effect on shareholders.

Not illegal. Accounts mean nothing, an account just means someone made an account. Now, telling investors you have 10 million paying players would obviously be unethical, illegal, and a really bad attempt at obfuscation.

Recremen

I'm not sure what the point ever is when talking about a game's forum-goers as a "vocal minority" Like yeah, obviously a minority of people use the forums, but "vocal minority" seems to imply that forum users don't have anything worth saying or aren't representative of the active members of the game community as a whole. It seems to me that there's a good mix of player types on the forums and that it acts as a fair representation of the actual player-base, just with a higher sense of engagement in the game. That seems like precisely the kind of microcosm of the game that you'd want to poll for qualitative data.