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Warden Ability
oMrRust
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I don't know it's name really but it's that flying bird one...
It really needs to be nerfed so you can roll dodge it or something.. It 3 shot killed me when im on my stam sorc and I couldn't really heal through it at all.
It really needs to be nerfed so you can roll dodge it or something.. It 3 shot killed me when im on my stam sorc and I couldn't really heal through it at all.
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BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?1 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Head on over to here if you want to express your concern as a stam sorc that can wipe us in a dawnbreaker, execute and implosion just by standing within range -
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oMrRust✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.0 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Good setup for high sustain and damage, but nothing on there for damage mitigation/health. Even less health from running Dubious Camoran Throne over bi-stat food. Think this shows more of how medium is just under-performing in the current pvp environment. Shuffle and mobility is great in a lot of situations, but not in open field with things like Dive, Mage's Fury, Radiant Oppression, and those heavy attack lightning staff oblivion builds. You need to always have LoS options in play, since you are on the squishier end of the spectrum right now. Also Invisibility pots for that get out of jail free card. I love my stam sorc, but I almost always have to play in five heavy.
If you are squaring off against a magWarden. Keep close to them. The longer the range, the more damage the Dive will do.0 -
oMrRust✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Good setup for high sustain and damage, but nothing on there for damage mitigation/health. Even less health from running Dubious Camoran Throne over bi-stat food. Think this shows more of how medium is just under-performing in the current pvp environment. Shuffle and mobility is great in a lot of situations, but not in open field with things like Dive, Mage's Fury, Radiant Oppression, and those heavy attack lightning staff oblivion builds. You need to always have LoS options in play, since you are on the squishier end of the spectrum right now. Also Invisibility pots for that get out of jail free card. I love my stam sorc, but I almost always have to play in five heavy.
If you are squaring off against a magWarden. Keep close to them. The longer the range, the more damage the Dive will do.
My stamsorc is actually pretty good for PVP, she can do great damage. I once put steed on her earlier just to run faster for the Lols in pvp when groups of people were chasing me around their keep. I could take a good amount of damage & do great heals.
I am considering swapping 1 kena, 1 velidreth for maybe x2 selenes.
just that dive was doing to much damage even at close range.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As is Wardens aren't high damage dealers, and you want to go ahead and nerf them even further? Are you kidding me? Because you can't dodge 1 ability in a PvP environment, you want it nerfed and have it also ruined in PvE? Are you serious, OP?
And THIS right here is why people (including myself) believe that PvP will always be the root of things getting nerfed in PvE. Because complaints coming from a PvP perspective, and the devs refusing to balance PvE and PvP separately.4 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, the Fissure can be avoided, or at least Immovability pots to help with CC. But as a stam sorc with a 2h bar, getting in close is good advice. Hurrican, Wrecking Blow/Dizzying Swing, maybe a bolt tossed in at some point. Wrap it up with a Dawn Breaker or execute from 2h.
I play both classes in pvp and enjoy them, because they have great tool kits. Was just saying these are things to counter Screaming Cliff Racer with what they are currently running.
In the end I still think his built isn't as sturdy as he thinks it is. It is a very mobile high burst with sustain. Making getting in and out of trouble is good, but still soft against certain things especially having low HP and damage mitigation.Edited by BigBragg on July 9, 2017 8:31AM1 -
Keep_Door✭✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Do you have 10k health ?2 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭On ESO Live they explained about Cliff Racer that because of the visual portal, sound and length of time to reach target, that it would make the skill useless if they made it dodgeable, so they made it 'blockable' instead.CP: 2105 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
~~Started Playing: May 2015 | Stopped Playing: July 2025 | Returned: March 2026~~1 -
oMrRust✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Do you have 10k health ?
No, I have maybe 22k health.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's getting tiring defending the class with the worst DPS to make sure their only spammable DPS ability isn't nerfed3 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
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Well, technically you can run faster anyway because stam sorcs have access to Minor AND Major expedition, which can obviously be stacked. If the Nightblade didn't gap close then jokes on him.2 -
Keep_Door✭✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Do you have 10k health ?
No, I have maybe 22k health.
Do you have 20k stam ?
Edited by Keep_Door on July 9, 2017 1:40PM0 -
oMrRust✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Do you have 10k health ?
No, I have maybe 22k health.
Do you have 20k stam ?
39k stamina.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Look, your best defence against a magicka warden is to beat on them. If you try to run you will lose, because don't forget, they get 15% bonus damage the further away you are. So stay close and keep pressure on them. They'll be too busy keeping up their 50 buffs and little shields to worry about throwing birds at you.
They will attempt to CC you with deep fissure to alleviate some of that pressure, so when you see them slam their hand on the ground, wait a couple of seconds and move out of the way.
Warden is still a relatively new class and people are still learning how to fight them, as they're different from everything else.
Just another case of "Nerf what I don't understand"2 -
Keep_Door✭✭✭✭✭Dive with that stam morph Cutting Dive, and magica is called Screaming Cliff Racer. They both have a bold long animation that telegraphs their attack before hand, and the magica on make a screaming sound. Block is the designed counter play for them. Invisibility pots also work, and line of sight like so many other ranged attacks.
What type of gear are you running that they are hitting you for at least ~7k each?
My stamsorc runs x5 bone pirate, x1 kena, x1 velidreth, x3 agility, x1 vma bow sharpened, x1 2h sword sharpened.
She can actually take a good amount of damage but I keep hearing how Dive is broken and how it does insane amount of damage, even when they block (so I hear)
My stamina sorc is also a wood elf.
Do you have 10k health ?
No, I have maybe 22k health.
Do you have 20k stam ?
39k stamina.
Do you have 1400 weapon damage?
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Zanen✭✭✭As is Wardens aren't high damage dealers, and you want to go ahead and nerf them even further? Are you kidding me? Because you can't dodge 1 ability in a PvP environment, you want it nerfed and have it also ruined in PvE? Are you serious, OP?
And THIS right here is why people (including myself) believe that PvP will always be the root of things getting nerfed in PvE. Because complaints coming from a PvP perspective, and the devs refusing to balance PvE and PvP separately.
I still think the root of the problem is that PVP and PVE ARE balanced separately. Crit resist disparity (they should have made mobs crit or removed the resist entirely first patch when it was obvious it was going to be a problem) and then battle spirit was a lazy bandaid for core gameplay issues that should have been addressed globally early on.
At this point I dunno, I'd still rather see see them rebalance everything so there's no difference between PVP and PVE mechanics except for "player" sets than make the two modes completely separate, but I agree with you that the current situation requires an adjustment.
Warden needs tuning, more buffs than nerfs though. It's a good class but it was inevitable it would be broken on arrival with the way ZOS tests.0
