Forums is 1% of Games Population

Turelus · July 2017

We read it all the time in debates about the community "the forums is the vocal minority in the community" but just what kind of a minority is that?

Well if we take ZOS numbers from E3 2017 stating the game has 10 million accounts, then look at the First Comment badge on the forums we can see (at time of posting) only 133,604 have the badge.

So if you're going to base the forums vocal minority around just one comment then the forums population is 1.3% of the rough number of people who have purchased ESO. If expanded to people who have bothered to make 10 Comments (31,398) making them 0.31% of the number of people who have purchased the game.

The more you look into the number of people who are likely to be the ones posting often enough to have issues noticed by ZOS then the numbers get even more silly.

100 Comments 6,334 meaning 0.063%
500 Comments 1,611 meaning 0.016%
1,000 Comments 760 meaning 0.0076%
2,500 Comments 196 meaning 0.0019%
5,000 Comments 42 meaning 0.00041%
10,000 Comments 6 meaning 0.000059%

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

Feanor · July 2017

You should stop posting and git gud in the game instead, Turelus.

Turelus · July 2017

Feanor wrote: »

You should stop posting and git gud in the game instead, Turelus.

It's kind of true.

Nermy · July 2017

I think pretty much my whole guild ignores the forums.

Cocorocho · July 2017

10 Million accounts:

1 Million gold sellers/bot accounts
3 Million people who quit the game 1 day after trying group finder tool
3 Million people quit after 1000 runs of vma/xxx trial and still not getting their desired item
1 Million who played the game for long time, achieved everything they want in the game, got bored and moved on
--

1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

1 Million competetive people who wants the game to be better and criticise ZOS about their failures and trying to get their voice heard on forums.

Hmm yes minority indeed

mewcatus · July 2017

Forum posters are the equivalent of Lobbyists in the real world. Self indulgent, all talk, no bite, full bull.

Turelus · July 2017

mewcatus wrote: »

Forum posters are the equivalent of Lobbyists in the real world. Self indulgent, all talk, no bite, full bull.

I am not going to deny any of this.

Cocorocho wrote: »

10 Million accounts:

1 Million gold sellers/bot accounts
3 Million people who quit the game 1 day after trying group finder tool
3 Million people quit after 1000 runs of vma/xxx trial and still not getting their desired item
1 Million who played the game for long time, achieved everything they want in the game, got bored and moved on
--

1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

1 Million competetive people who wants the game to be better and criticise ZOS about their failures and trying to get their voice heard on forums.

Hmm yes minority indeed

As I said without ZOS releasing actual PCU numbers we'll never know the real extent of the forums population vs those who play.

Vapirko · July 2017

But like any sample size when gathering data you can assume that the views expressed here represent the views of a much larger segment of the population than voice opinions on these forums. And judging by the posts here I'd say we have a good range of user types from streamers and top players to people who couldn't care less about balance or who procs what, and are still working their way through the main game and only intend to ever play it solo.

Asardes · July 2017

It's probably more like < 300K people who have done any competitive content across al platforms. And I'm being optimistic here. Most people who purchased probably play a few hours a week, just doing quests and exploring a bit.

Zorvan · July 2017

The good news is a community this "small" obviously doesn't need Community Ambassadors.

Tonnopesce · July 2017

Ok

kevlarto_ESO · July 2017

I am not sure if these stats still hold true, a few years back can't remember which company, it was an article in PC Gamer Magazine but they claim after account creation less than 10% of the active player base used the forums, I personally know at least 5 of my guildies that never read or use the forums at all, mostly because they do not want their view of the game tainted by the toxic posts they seen in past games in the forums, I know times and habits of players change so who knows

ArchMikem · July 2017

I remember a guy that used to be in a Guild with me. He'd always say in-game that he saw my post or my thread in the Forum, but never said anything there himself.

I'm sure the Forum has a TON of lurkers, but you're right, a small percentage actually bother to participate.

Turelus · July 2017

Zorvan wrote: »

The good news is a community this "small" obviously doesn't need Community Ambassadors.

At least I'd get my stars back...

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I am not sure if these stats still hold true, a few years back can't remember which company, it was an article in PC Gamer Magazine but they claim after account creation less than 10% of the active player base used the forums, I personally know at least 5 of my guildies that never read or use the forums at all, mostly because they do not want their view of the game tainted by the toxic posts they seen in past games in the forums, I know times and habits of players change so who knows

As I noted the numbers clearly are not accurate, I just figured it was worth a trashy post about. I did make a note to say these are clearly not accurate numbers though.

ArchMikem wrote: »

I remember a guy that used to be in a Guild with me. He'd always say in-game that he saw my post or my thread in the Forum, but never said anything there himself.

I'm sure the Forum has a TON of lurkers, but you're right, a small percentage actually bother to participate.

Much my experience as well. I know many who read but never post. I wish I could get access to the stats for number of accounts registered on the forums (although I believe you don't need one to read them even).

Feanor · July 2017

You're not a true forum warrior if you haven't had a moderator action on one of your posts. Just had mine. I feel baptized now.

Turelus · July 2017

Feanor wrote: »

You're not a true forum warrior if you haven't had a moderator action on one of your posts. Just had mine. I feel baptized now.

It's a true sign you've transcended to a real forums trash poster.

I've been moderated and had official warnings, though they were long ago now.

I over time learnt where the line between being a goof and a troll and being a jerk was (not saying you're a jerk) so I can get away with a lot of critical and heavily debate based posts without being moderated too much now.

I still get stuff cut when they go on mass thread cleaning though, mostly because I jump into all the fun debates.

ChunkyCat · July 2017

I'm just here while I poop.

Voxicity · July 2017

Yoohoo4411 wrote: »

I'm just here while I poop.

That makes two of us. Nice to meet you here

ForMalacath · July 2017

Been playing since Jan this year, long time TES fan and really enjoying the game (my first MMO)

Am now part of the 1%

Cheers!

stewhead2ub17_ESO · July 2017

*lurking*
hehe I have also been moderated on occasion and had a couple of "official warnings", the most entertaining was from a male mod who genuinely seemed perturbed about a tongue in cheek offhanded comment I made, regarding "console gaming".

Curragraigue · July 2017

Forumplar Elitist

. I'm only a bit over 2k comments

GeorgeBlack · July 2017

People that claim that some views in forums reflect the majority of players are not very bright.
Or that some posts don't speak on behalf of the population.
Nobody can claim that they can convey what people want or what people don't want.

Hopefully ZOS is using opinions expressed in forums to fix oversights, or they happen to stumble upon some feedback from a player that is useful for the development of the game.

I find that the most influential players are those on beta testing.
Too bad that they don't represent the majority.
Gotta be in it to win it (personal agendas)

Turelus · July 2017

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

People that claim that some views in forums reflect the majority of players are not very bright.
Or that some posts don't speak on behalf of the population.
Nobody can claim that they can convey what people want or what people don't want.

Hopefully ZOS is using opinions expressed in forums to fix oversights, or they happen to stumble upon some feedback from a player that is useful for the development of the game.

I find that the most influential players are those on beta testing.
Too bad that they don't represent the majority.
Gotta be in it to win it (personal agendas)

From what I have seen and what's been said ZOS takes its feedback from vaious locations, common threads here, Reddit, social media as well as speaking to players face to face at cons.
They've also hinted at before that they take a good look at their data gathering, I know Wrobel and Rich have spoken about how they can see the popularity of skills slotted/used, and how when they look at unpopular ones they also check to see if it's a niche skill which is working find just not used a lot before changing it to try and force it to be popular.

We also know that Rich and Brian PvP on NA servers so see a lot of the issues we do and know where we're coming from.

Feedback from users with beta or early access seems to be so/so, as both Alcast and Deltia came out and said that their pre-Morrowind feedback wasn't entirely listened to or was changed more than they suggested.

GreenhaloX · July 2017

Turelus wrote: »

We read it all the time in debates about the community "the forums is the vocal minority in the community" but just what kind of a minority is that?

Well if we take ZOS numbers from E3 2017 stating the game has 10 million accounts, then look at the First Comment badge on the forums we can see (at time of posting) only 133,604 have the badge.

So if you're going to base the forums vocal minority around just one comment then the forums population is 1.3% of the rough number of people who have purchased ESO. If expanded to people who have bothered to make 10 Comments (31,398) making them 0.31% of the number of people who have purchased the game.

The more you look into the number of people who are likely to be the ones posting often enough to have issues noticed by ZOS then the numbers get even more silly.

100 Comments 6,334 meaning 0.063%
500 Comments 1,611 meaning 0.016%
1,000 Comments 760 meaning 0.0076%
2,500 Comments 196 meaning 0.0019%
5,000 Comments 42 meaning 0.00041%
10,000 Comments 6 meaning 0.000059%

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

This post of your gave me a headache.. too many numbers! Are you a mathematician or a statistician or something? If there are 10 mil accounts on ESO, I wonder what is the true numbers of actual active gamers from that number. Also, since you claim that only 1% of the gamer population of ESO are using the forum (which doesn't seem far-fetched), then my guess is probably 50% of this one percentile of forum goers are actual sane and mature posters, while the other 50% are trolls, whiners and those who are just bored and not really making any constructive feedback or comments. Thus, elaborating further, it may seems that maybe 5-10% (I don't know.. don't ask where I have gotten these numbers. I'm just making a conversation piece) are reporting problems and bugs. Thus, such very low percentage from the 1% are reporting the issues, and such low numbers are probably not evening pinging ZOS's radar.. which could explain why so many issues and bugs have been continuing or reoccurring for a long time now.

Keep_Door · July 2017

The forums is a place to complain, cry for nerfs or to troll.

Or to brag about worlds first somthing.

DDemon · July 2017

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ofSunhold · July 2017

Every time I see this kind of conversation, I wish I could get my hands on more information. I'm so curious to know how many people log into this game on an average day, what percentage prefers which activities, etc. I wonder if some of their development choices that puzzle me would suddenly make sense.

Turelus wrote: »

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

Godspeed. I don't always agree with you, but you're never stupid.

GreyWolf_79 · July 2017

Cocorocho wrote: »

1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

You mean there are 999,999 other players like me? I was starting to think I was the only one.

Zorvan · July 2017

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

Cocorocho wrote: »

1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

You mean there are 999,999 other players like me? I was starting to think I was the only one.

Don't worry. You're a unique and special person, just like everybody else.

GreyWolf_79 · July 2017

Zorvan wrote: »

GreyWolf_79 wrote: »

Cocorocho wrote: »

1 Million people who spends most of their times role playing, questing, decorating house and not giving a damn about technical matters and just focuses about having fun

You mean there are 999,999 other players like me? I was starting to think I was the only one.

Don't worry. You're a unique and special person, just like everybody else.

Hah. Yes, I always liked that quote. Quite honestly I don't care either way if I'm unique or not. I just wasn't sure if other people actually played this game for fun, or if it's mostly just min/maxing leaderboard tryhards and teabagging PVPers.

Turelus · July 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

We read it all the time in debates about the community "the forums is the vocal minority in the community" but just what kind of a minority is that?

Well if we take ZOS numbers from E3 2017 stating the game has 10 million accounts, then look at the First Comment badge on the forums we can see (at time of posting) only 133,604 have the badge.

So if you're going to base the forums vocal minority around just one comment then the forums population is 1.3% of the rough number of people who have purchased ESO. If expanded to people who have bothered to make 10 Comments (31,398) making them 0.31% of the number of people who have purchased the game.

The more you look into the number of people who are likely to be the ones posting often enough to have issues noticed by ZOS then the numbers get even more silly.

100 Comments 6,334 meaning 0.063%
500 Comments 1,611 meaning 0.016%
1,000 Comments 760 meaning 0.0076%
2,500 Comments 196 meaning 0.0019%
5,000 Comments 42 meaning 0.00041%
10,000 Comments 6 meaning 0.000059%

Now of course I am being a moron and the game is very unlikely to have 10 million active players, but without ZOS giving out actual PCU numbers we'll never know the true value of the forums minority. This is just something I stumbled on the other day and figured it was worth making a trashy post about.

Also because a Turelus thread would be complete without some kind of self ego inflation, this post was bought to you by a member of the 0.000059% #GoingFor50k

This post of your gave me a headache.. too many numbers! Are you a mathematician or a statistician or something?

Oh Azura no I suck at both calculators and websites were used to double check numbers just because I didn't want to look like a moron (or more so than normal) on the forums.