What is the bigger problem in todays game...Proc Sets or Resource Poisons?
TheDoomsdayMonster
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I'll go 1st and say that, IMHO, Resource Posions are the greater problem for the simple reason that there is no counter for them; you cant cleanse it and you cant prevent it from happening (being Poisoned)...
Procs Sets on the other hand, while being very powerful (and absolutely needing Dev attention), atleast can be countered by someone with a Highly Defensive build...
So my argument for Resource Poisons being a bigger problem than Proc Sets is simple; there is a way of defending yourself from one of them, but there is no way to defend yourself from the other...
I die more because of someone using Resource Poisons on me, and depleting Magicka Pool, than from anything else...
I fought a Stamblade earlier today and at one point in the fight I had half of my Magicka Bar, literally a sec or two later my bar was depleted to the point to where I couldn't use a single Magicka ability...
The above had nothing to do with my Resource Management or my opponents skill; that was the result of an overpowered mechanic that I had no defense to...
So I'll conclude by saying that Proc Sets definitely need to be "adjusted," but Resource Poisons need to be "adjusted" even moreso than the Proc Sets do...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on July 8, 2017 8:14AM Procs Sets on the other hand, while being very powerful (and absolutely needing Dev attention), atleast can be countered by someone with a Highly Defensive build...
So my argument for Resource Poisons being a bigger problem than Proc Sets is simple; there is a way of defending yourself from one of them, but there is no way to defend yourself from the other...
I die more because of someone using Resource Poisons on me, and depleting Magicka Pool, than from anything else...
I fought a Stamblade earlier today and at one point in the fight I had half of my Magicka Bar, literally a sec or two later my bar was depleted to the point to where I couldn't use a single Magicka ability...
The above had nothing to do with my Resource Management or my opponents skill; that was the result of an overpowered mechanic that I had no defense to...
So I'll conclude by saying that Proc Sets definitely need to be "adjusted," but Resource Poisons need to be "adjusted" even moreso than the Proc Sets do...
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What is the bigger problem in todays game...Proc Sets or Resource Poisons? 39 votes
Proc Sets are a bigger problem in the current game than Resource Poisons...
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25 votes
Resource Poisons are a bigger problem in the current game than Proc Sets...
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Proc Sets are a bigger problem in the current game than Resource Poisons...Procs all day. In fact, the person wearing the procs can build highly defensive and have insane burst. S&B, Viper, Selene, and one of many heavy armor sets, probably a sustain one. Now you have good sustain, your tanky, AND you have big burst!!PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.2 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Resource Poisons are a bigger problem in the current game than Proc Sets...NeillMcAttack wrote: »Procs all day. In fact, the person wearing the procs can build highly defensive and have insane burst. S&B, Viper, Selene, and one of many heavy armor sets, probably a sustain one. Now you have good sustain, your tanky, AND you have big burst!!
No doubt; that is a problem and must be addressed...
But atleast you can build a character to withstand raw damage...
There is nothing I can do to protect myself from having my Magicka Pool drained away as I described in the OP...nothing.
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Resource Poisons are a bigger problem in the current game than Proc Sets...You like non cp, that is what is the problem.
How would you know that?
That statement is purely ignorant on your part btw as its not true; I only play on Vivec...period.
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Proc Sets are a bigger problem in the current game than Resource Poisons...I voted before I had read the posts. I was under the impression that poisons could be cleansed. Clearly mistaken, I would change my vote to Resource Poisons, being the bigger problem, if I could.1
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Proc Sets are a bigger problem in the current game than Resource Poisons...TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »NeillMcAttack wrote: »Procs all day. In fact, the person wearing the procs can build highly defensive and have insane burst. S&B, Viper, Selene, and one of many heavy armor sets, probably a sustain one. Now you have good sustain, your tanky, AND you have big burst!!
No doubt; that is a problem and must be addressed...
But atleast you can build a character to withstand raw damage...
There is nothing I can do to protect myself from having my Magicka Pool drained away as I described in the OP...nothing.
You can try to slow your rotation, purge, or build for greater sustain and more cost reduction.
People all ready did start building toward defense. It's called the meta.
Not as prevalent as before the patch but it's still quite evident that most class specs are still preferring the heavy armor. Funny thing is, they are building around the same procs, whilst in the same vein, building to survive said procs. Procs have literally defined the meta from the offensive to the defensive, everything in-between, and often both.PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Resource Poisons are a bigger problem in the current game than Proc Sets...NeillMcAttack wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »NeillMcAttack wrote: »Procs all day. In fact, the person wearing the procs can build highly defensive and have insane burst. S&B, Viper, Selene, and one of many heavy armor sets, probably a sustain one. Now you have good sustain, your tanky, AND you have big burst!!
No doubt; that is a problem and must be addressed...
But atleast you can build a character to withstand raw damage...
There is nothing I can do to protect myself from having my Magicka Pool drained away as I described in the OP...nothing.
You can try to slow your rotation, purge, or build for greater sustain and more cost reduction.
People all ready did start building toward defense. It's called the meta.
Not as prevalent as before the patch but it's still quite evident that most class specs are still preferring the heavy armor. Funny thing is, they are building around the same procs, whilst in the same vein, building to survive said procs. Procs have literally defined the meta from the offensive to the defensive, everything in-between, and often both.
You cant purge the Resource Poisons...
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TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Resource Poisons are a bigger problem in the current game than Proc Sets...What is the bigger problem in todays game ?
Destro ulti.
As powerful as Destro Ult is, atleast there are counters for it...
Elusive Mist has saved me from Destro Ult countless times for example...
But those Resource Poisons...
Nothing can protect you from those...
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Proc sets are part of the game and never going away.
Drain poisons need HUGE nerf...1 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Proc Sets are a bigger problem in the current game than Resource Poisons...Certain proc sets that are stacking and even double-proccing are the serious issue. People using only a couple skills are mowing down squishier people in BG and non-CP campaigns. In a CP campaign, I can easily survive proc sets most of the time due to damage reduction branches. Non-CP doesn't have that luxury.Edited by WuffyCerulei on July 8, 2017 9:38AM"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭Proc Sets are a bigger problem in the current game than Resource Poisons...TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »NeillMcAttack wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »NeillMcAttack wrote: »Procs all day. In fact, the person wearing the procs can build highly defensive and have insane burst. S&B, Viper, Selene, and one of many heavy armor sets, probably a sustain one. Now you have good sustain, your tanky, AND you have big burst!!
No doubt; that is a problem and must be addressed...
But atleast you can build a character to withstand raw damage...
There is nothing I can do to protect myself from having my Magicka Pool drained away as I described in the OP...nothing.
You can try to slow your rotation, purge, or build for greater sustain and more cost reduction.
People all ready did start building toward defense. It's called the meta.
Not as prevalent as before the patch but it's still quite evident that most class specs are still preferring the heavy armor. Funny thing is, they are building around the same procs, whilst in the same vein, building to survive said procs. Procs have literally defined the meta from the offensive to the defensive, everything in-between, and often both.
You cant purge the Resource Poisons...
Is that a bug? Is it not a negative effect?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either, but at the end of the day isn't your health a resource? And isn't sustaining it from proc burst also quite costly?PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.0 -
TheDoomsdayMonster✭✭✭✭✭Resource Poisons are a bigger problem in the current game than Proc Sets...NeillMcAttack wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »NeillMcAttack wrote: »TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »NeillMcAttack wrote: »Procs all day. In fact, the person wearing the procs can build highly defensive and have insane burst. S&B, Viper, Selene, and one of many heavy armor sets, probably a sustain one. Now you have good sustain, your tanky, AND you have big burst!!
No doubt; that is a problem and must be addressed...
But atleast you can build a character to withstand raw damage...
There is nothing I can do to protect myself from having my Magicka Pool drained away as I described in the OP...nothing.
You can try to slow your rotation, purge, or build for greater sustain and more cost reduction.
People all ready did start building toward defense. It's called the meta.
Not as prevalent as before the patch but it's still quite evident that most class specs are still preferring the heavy armor. Funny thing is, they are building around the same procs, whilst in the same vein, building to survive said procs. Procs have literally defined the meta from the offensive to the defensive, everything in-between, and often both.
You cant purge the Resource Poisons...
Is that a bug? Is it not a negative effect?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of either, but at the end of the day isn't your health a resource? And isn't sustaining it from proc burst also quite costly?
Unfortunately it seems to be intended; its been that way since they have been introduced into the game...
And yes, your Health is a Resource, but you can protect that resource with gear and some of your defensive abilities; I can also hit Breath of Life to replenish it when need be...
I cant protect my Magicka from a Resource Poison user; there is no gear set, ability, or item I can utilize to protect that Resource Pool from the Resource Poison...nothing.
The fact that they (Resource Poisons) literally have no counter is the reason why I think they are worse than Proc Sets...
Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on July 8, 2017 10:10AMUnyeilding Bias
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Kay1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Resource cost poisons and the ability to run more than 1 proc set.
Resource cost should get removed and you shouldn't be able to run more than 1 proc set.K1 The Big Monkey1
