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Block Casting - PVP
ThoraxtheDark
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This is how threads work =
OP states there problem
Commentators look at the problem through different perspectives and offer input
OP has to give credible evidence of problem in order to be recognized
Commentators give opinions on why evidence is not sufficient to be considered a problem
OP reflects back to the commentators, more commentators show up and offer input
NOTHING GETS RESOLVED.
We all know it is a problem in PVP.
We all know it is linked in with animation cancelling in some regards
We all know you are considered complaining unnecessarily when you cannot do animation cancelling.
One on One fights with block casters are becoming more apparent with morrowind. ( they increased cost of blocking per millisecond ? you sure?)
I am fine with cancelling, i do it all the time. i am fine with counters and the whole "rock paper scissors " class design.
But when you can Block cast to the point where secondary effects won't ever apply, where only un blockable CCs will stun you, Where you literally never run out of stam from blocking,
when your survivability is based on Holding down the block button to no avail ..
Kinda game breaking.
Keep in mind the majority of forum users are buzzards constantly sweeping for new build ideas etc, most of you looking at the this most likely block cast yourself ( people who do not know, probably will not click this )
Btw there are still sets that give stam while blocking, and there are still ways of doing your build where any risk reward is eliminated because you have the insurance policy of forever holding down the block button. ( and no i am not a meta hopper, and no i do not constantly use the same sets and expect results, this is a blatant issue.)
So bring on the whine, i have extra cheese.
OP states there problem
Commentators look at the problem through different perspectives and offer input
OP has to give credible evidence of problem in order to be recognized
Commentators give opinions on why evidence is not sufficient to be considered a problem
OP reflects back to the commentators, more commentators show up and offer input
NOTHING GETS RESOLVED.
We all know it is a problem in PVP.
We all know it is linked in with animation cancelling in some regards
We all know you are considered complaining unnecessarily when you cannot do animation cancelling.
One on One fights with block casters are becoming more apparent with morrowind. ( they increased cost of blocking per millisecond ? you sure?)
I am fine with cancelling, i do it all the time. i am fine with counters and the whole "rock paper scissors " class design.
But when you can Block cast to the point where secondary effects won't ever apply, where only un blockable CCs will stun you, Where you literally never run out of stam from blocking,
when your survivability is based on Holding down the block button to no avail ..
Kinda game breaking.
Keep in mind the majority of forum users are buzzards constantly sweeping for new build ideas etc, most of you looking at the this most likely block cast yourself ( people who do not know, probably will not click this )
Btw there are still sets that give stam while blocking, and there are still ways of doing your build where any risk reward is eliminated because you have the insurance policy of forever holding down the block button. ( and no i am not a meta hopper, and no i do not constantly use the same sets and expect results, this is a blatant issue.)
So bring on the whine, i have extra cheese.
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Arthg✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sorry, what's the research question?PC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.0 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭ThoraxtheDark wrote: »Keep in mind the majority of forum users are buzzards constantly sweeping for new build ideas etc, most of you looking at the this most likely block cast yourself ( people who do not know, probably will not click this )
More like:
OP plays a single build that relies on procs and hates people who block
OP forms biased opinion on "game breaking" feature (hates block but animation cancelling is ok, guess which one OP does?)
OP posts poorly disguised rage thread on forums
OP insults anyone who disagrees before thread even starts (at least you saved us the fake conversation bit so I appreciate you laying it out there)
OP doubles down insults with potentially really good pun regarding proc sets and cheese (probably not intentional)3 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭Couldn't agree more... perms block builds and proc builds are 0 skill builds and make PvP uninjoyable.2 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭ThoraxtheDark wrote: »Keep in mind the majority of forum users are buzzards constantly sweeping for new build ideas etc, most of you looking at the this most likely block cast yourself ( people who do not know, probably will not click this )
More like:
OP plays a single build that relies on procs and hates people who block
OP forms biased opinion on "game breaking" feature (hates block but animation cancelling is ok, guess which one OP does?)
OP posts poorly disguised rage thread on forums
OP insults anyone who disagrees before thread even starts (at least you saved us the fake conversation bit so I appreciate you laying it out there)
OP doubles down insults with potentially really good pun regarding proc sets and cheese (probably not intentional)
Generally speaking most Ops that suggest cancer builds like perma block and proc builds are a problem are usually met with comments like yours that aren't very constructive and don't help the issue. Sure the ops post is a little emotionally constructed but his point is clear. Perma block builds are an issue and should be looked at.0 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭KramUzibra wrote: »ThoraxtheDark wrote: »Keep in mind the majority of forum users are buzzards constantly sweeping for new build ideas etc, most of you looking at the this most likely block cast yourself ( people who do not know, probably will not click this )
More like:
OP plays a single build that relies on procs and hates people who block
OP forms biased opinion on "game breaking" feature (hates block but animation cancelling is ok, guess which one OP does?)
OP posts poorly disguised rage thread on forums
OP insults anyone who disagrees before thread even starts (at least you saved us the fake conversation bit so I appreciate you laying it out there)
OP doubles down insults with potentially really good pun regarding proc sets and cheese (probably not intentional)
Generally speaking most Ops that suggest cancer builds like perma block and proc builds are a problem are usually met with comments like yours that aren't very constructive and don't help the issue. Sure the ops post is a little emotionally constructed but his point is clear. Perma block builds are an issue and should be looked at.
Why are perma block builds an issue? If someone wants to go pure defense, good for them. They can play a role on a team that helps the group, maybe their goal is ult generation and cranking out warhorns. Why does every character have to be squeezed into one small niche? I don't run a block build, but doesn't mean they have to be removed from the game. Too many users on these forums have the attitude that their way is the only right way and everything else is broken.
People want to run a bunch of high damage, high proc builds with no sustain? Fine, let them but also let people who want to turtle up do that as well.
Play the way you want.
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Block casting is not a problem and permablockers are not a problem. It takes a lot of stuff to be able to perma block and doing so makes it so that your ability to deal damage is severely reduced. And permablockers can only attack you with magicka, cause if they use their stamina they will not be able to perma block. Its the builds that know when to drop block but also block for a longer period that are dangerous, perma blockers are hard to kill, yes, but they are not gonna be able to easily kill you. And in No Cp PvP its impossible to perma block so this is only a "problem" in Vivec and Dueling.1 -
br0steen✭✭✭✭Fear someone blocking, they wont block anymore. Or, eventually, they run out of stamina.
If their build revolves around blocking, once they cant block they are screwed.
There's counterplay for blocking. Downside of using sword and shield is you are less bursty than if you used something like dual wield. Your weapon/spell damage is lower so your self healing is lower. Theres a give and take.
This is a non-issue. Especially in no cp.4 -
tommalmm✭✭✭I always find it funny. Most people are totally positive that their playstyle is the only and true one, that every other way to play the game is either cancer, requires zero skill, or is cheesy in some other way (I'm quite disappointed that I don't see a word "metard" in every other thread, even though "proctard" has gotten pretty popular
). The truth is that every build has a counter or is a counter to itself and a trully skilled player can always beat someone carried by their build.
Kind of like going to a war, neglecting all the useful weapons, because gentlemen use naught but their sabers. They might even be right, but are too dead to prove it.0 -
Gan Xing✭✭✭✭
Fear someone blocking, they wont block anymore. Or, eventually, they run out of stamina.
If their build revolves around blocking, once they cant block they are screwed.
There's counterplay for blocking.
exactly
Downside of using sword and shield is you are less bursty than if you used something like dual wield. Your weapon/spell damage is lower so your self healing is lower. Theres a give and take.
This is a non-issue. Especially in no cp.
Unless you run around with Knight-Errant. Given that, KE is a difficult build to build around. You get increased damage to only s/b abilities, but not other abilities, and it gives little health back.Gan Xing - Crafting Nightblade
Elrana Tinuviel - Hybrid Dragonknight
Elentári Peregrine - Sorcerer "bank"
Rán Xīng - Hybrid Templar
Laurïsil Imlachwen - Stamina Templar
Helotë Tinuviel - Hybrid/Magicka Warden
Odin banker - obv banker
Yan of the Red Mountain - lvl 3 DK - not sure when I will work on em
Seeks the unusual and unique playstyles...0 -
Zvorgin✭✭✭✭✭
Fear someone blocking, they wont block anymore. Or, eventually, they run out of stamina.
If their build revolves around blocking, once they cant block they are screwed.
There's counterplay for blocking.
exactly
Downside of using sword and shield is you are less bursty than if you used something like dual wield. Your weapon/spell damage is lower so your self healing is lower. Theres a give and take.
This is a non-issue. Especially in no cp.
Unless you run around with Knight-Errant. Given that, KE is a difficult build to build around. You get increased damage to only s/b abilities, but not other abilities, and it gives little health back.
But by running heavy you are sacrificing the benefit of medium armor so there is still a trade off leading to less burst.1 -
KramUzibra✭✭✭✭KramUzibra wrote: »ThoraxtheDark wrote: »Keep in mind the majority of forum users are buzzards constantly sweeping for new build ideas etc, most of you looking at the this most likely block cast yourself ( people who do not know, probably will not click this )
More like:
OP plays a single build that relies on procs and hates people who block
OP forms biased opinion on "game breaking" feature (hates block but animation cancelling is ok, guess which one OP does?)
OP posts poorly disguised rage thread on forums
OP insults anyone who disagrees before thread even starts (at least you saved us the fake conversation bit so I appreciate you laying it out there)
OP doubles down insults with potentially really good pun regarding proc sets and cheese (probably not intentional)
Generally speaking most Ops that suggest cancer builds like perma block and proc builds are a problem are usually met with comments like yours that aren't very constructive and don't help the issue. Sure the ops post is a little emotionally constructed but his point is clear. Perma block builds are an issue and should be looked at.
Why are perma block builds an issue? If someone wants to go pure defense, good for them. They can play a role on a team that helps the group, maybe their goal is ult generation and cranking out warhorns. Why does every character have to be squeezed into one small niche? I don't run a block build, but doesn't mean they have to be removed from the game. Too many users on these forums have the attitude that their way is the only right way and everything else is broken.
People want to run a bunch of high damage, high proc builds with no sustain? Fine, let them but also let people who want to turtle up do that as well.
Play the way you want.
Good point nvm then 0