Discussion for Magicka NB skills atm

mb10 · July 2017

This is from a PVP stand point but some things will of course apply to PVE as well.
This is a longish post for magicka NBs to discuss the current skills so if youre not a magicka NB and youre here to just brush this off, then please dont bother as you probably wouldnt want to strengthen another class anyway lol.
*If you CBA to read it all just read the conclusion parts.

We all know Magicka NBs are lower down the popularity contest and food chain atm and the insistence of single target attacks throughout the class skill lines limits the usefulness of a magicka nightblade in a group.

AOE Attacks?
There are a grand total of two attacks in the NB skill lines that attack more than 1 target at once with one being the overly expensive sap essence and the other being path of darkness which really just requires the opponent to moon walk out of it as their movement speed is not affected and the skill is quite visible. Either way, i personally dont think "corridor" type attacks are that good in open PVP anyway.
The whole assasination skill line only focuses on one target which isnt such a problem as sap essence is actually a great skill but considering the cost of it and the low damage output, I really believe the cost of this skill should be reduced due to our very very limited number of choices.
There are no burst heals within the skill line, so you cannot approach a magicka NB how you would a magicka templar. Especially as jabs cost a lot less than sap essence and are more efficient in general for the damage output. Im not asking for burst heals, but im asking people to understand that without them your playstyle needs to be different too.

Conclusion:
Reduce the cost of Sap Essence

Specialty?
At this stage, I dont believe what the NB skill lines offer any sort of specialty in terms of what magicka NBs as a class are renowned for. You could argue burst damage but magicka sorcs and even stamina NBs simply do it better. Burst damage took a hit with increasing the number of light/heavy attacks with grim focus to 5 from 3. To hit an enemy 5 times with a light or heavy attack within 20 seconds would be fine before this patch but it suggests to me that youll be weaving it with your other attacks and by the time its all done your magicka bar has taken a big hit, for not much return as the burst damage from the other skills isnt the best either.

The other issue is the speed of Cripple i think is far too slow and the speed of assasin's blade is the same thing. Both attacks take too long to reach the target and seeing as Templar's got the speed buff for piercing javelin, I dont see why NBs cant get the same here for these attacks.

This last one is debatable but the Minor Maim from Summon Shades lasts 4 seconds lol and they do around 800 damage every 2 seconds. Again, it is far from a cheap skill to use and quite situational (the teleport is broken at times anyway) but this skill can be made more useful than it is and would work towards giving NBs more of a unique element if it was convincing enough for the average NB to run it.

Conclusion:
Return light/heavy attakcs for grim focus to proc to 3 or even 4.
Increase the speed of Cripple and Assasin's Blade.
Increase damage of the shadows from Summon Shade and maybe increase the time of Minor Maim as its only 4 seconds and single target.

Sustain
The magicka regen is struggling as much as any other class is at the moment. The instant reaction is siphoning attacks but that returns a whooping 100 magicka per light or heavy attack lol. Again, im not asking to change this but im asking you to acknowledge that 100 magicka is quite poor and the burst of around 4000 you get is after 20 seconds which = 200 magicka per second but its actually not per second its just 4000ish after 20 seconds.
Again like the burst damage, compared to the superior magicka pool/recovery that magicka sorcs and templars have atm, magicka nightblades are just so evidently inferior. So a way to increase the magicka regen I think can help overall.

Conclusion:
Apply minor magickasteal to Mark Target similar to how Elemental Drain works as they both debuff the target.

I do not believe these changes are even asking for that much, it would just give the class some small changes that will benefit it and make it a slighly more even playing field.
Of course it all depends on the player, Ive been playing magicka NB since launch and believe im quite decent at it but witnessing this obvious disadvantage atm is quite frustrating.

Let me know what you think

FrostFallFox · July 2017

I mainly play Sorcerer but I started playing Magnightblade in pvp and at first I didn't know what the point was or how to be effective unless you were a bomber.

But I think the things that set it apart is the fear, cloak, and teleport. I've never seen anyone use it besides myself but the other fear morph, manifestation of terror, is pretty cool and effective I think once you get used to it.

Idk, I just play it like a Sorcerer tbh, but with different little tricks.

Oh and I agree about the speed buff to impale, I stopped using it because I felt like people were dodging it lol.

max_only · July 2017

Okay I read it all. First I don't pvp so...

Reduce the cost of sap essence? Yes please. No complaints here.

Grim focus needs to be returned to 3 attacks yes.

Summon shades: they need a buff. An increase duration of their maim or and increase in their damage. They count as pets after all so they need to be at a closer level to pets (not equal to pets because they only require one bar and persist through the bar swapping, non-nb be aware that unlike pets they can't be cast just to be there, they need a target to be cast.

I've been begging for a reversal on Siphoning Attacks for months now. See my signature. It's sucks what they did to that skill. We need a Dark Deal type skill to exchange one pool for another plus health like Sorcerers have. It's doesn't make sense that everyone got their sustain skill brutalized except Sorcs.

Speciality?
Prior to the Siphoning Attacks (unneeded) nerf I would have said we are masters of sustain. Live to fight another day. I disagreed with the developer comments that we needed more survivability. I like to think of my nightblade as a guy who may not be the burst or the heal or the defense but he keeps on going. If I cared to dps with my nb I'd wish that he'd be a single target, sustained damage, self survivor. Not a glass cannon like a stereotypical mage. He'd be the kind to stealth in order to drop aggro, teleport to behind the mob, drain its life and have more defense in medium than a sorc in light would have. I don't play dps though. I tank. I used to be a self sustaining tank (Siphoning Attacks) that didn't need support skills like shards and could even provide group heals and debuffs. Now I'm struggling. I don't dare do any group activity on normal without first running it on my healer.

mb10 · July 2017

@max_only
Good to see your point of view too and that it's similar to mine.

I hope they are looking at magicka NBs because it's a class with so much potential but needs some love.

And yeah with the siphoning attacks I also thought it was completely unnecessary along with the grim focus changes. They need to have a look over these again

Leucius · July 2017

With the little bit of magicka NB experience I have, I have to agree with your points. I went stam just for sustainability purposes, came back recently to the game and found my stamNB doesn't do jack for damage anymore, but I guess that's because I don't have the right skills slotted per the meta?

Seriously considering going back to magicka, but after reading this and some other stuff, it seems like NB's just suck in general now, which is disappointing as the rogue archetype.

mb10 · July 2017

Leucius wrote: »

With the little bit of magicka NB experience I have, I have to agree with your points. I went stam just for sustainability purposes, came back recently to the game and found my stamNB doesn't do jack for damage anymore, but I guess that's because I don't have the right skills slotted per the meta?

Seriously considering going back to magicka, but after reading this and some other stuff, it seems like NB's just suck in general now, which is disappointing as the rogue archetype.

@Leucius
Stam blades are all using proc sets atm so their battles last like 3 seconds lmao not sure how they do in longer fights but their burst damage is the best

Magicka can be really good and i think the potential is big but atm theyre in a bit of a bad place.
So bad that when I see another Mag NB in another alliance I get excited to fight it and see what skills theyre running, its that rare atm lol

mb10 · July 2017

FrostFallFox wrote: »

I mainly play Sorcerer but I started playing Magnightblade in pvp and at first I didn't know what the point was or how to be effective unless you were a bomber.

But I think the things that set it apart is the fear, cloak, and teleport. I've never seen anyone use it besides myself but the other fear morph, manifestation of terror, is pretty cool and effective I think once you get used to it.

Idk, I just play it like a Sorcerer tbh, but with different little tricks.

Oh and I agree about the speed buff to impale, I stopped using it because I felt like people were dodging it lol.

@FrostFallFox
Yeah ive considered taking impale off too but it seems to be a must have for that last bit of health as every other class has burst heals or shields lol
Except of course us

FloppyTouch · July 2017

I agree nerf NBs

GreenhaloX · July 2017

mb10 wrote: »

Leucius wrote: »

With the little bit of magicka NB experience I have, I have to agree with your points. I went stam just for sustainability purposes, came back recently to the game and found my stamNB doesn't do jack for damage anymore, but I guess that's because I don't have the right skills slotted per the meta?

Seriously considering going back to magicka, but after reading this and some other stuff, it seems like NB's just suck in general now, which is disappointing as the rogue archetype.

@Leucius
Stam blades are all using proc sets atm so their battles last like 3 seconds lmao not sure how they do in longer fights but their burst damage is the best

Magicka can be really good and i think the potential is big but atm theyre in a bit of a bad place.
So bad that when I see another Mag NB in another alliance I get excited to fight it and see what skills theyre running, its that rare atm lol

I know your thread here was, originally, geared towards PvP, but then some are including comments/feedback for PvE. I don't do PvP much either, but I'll throw in my 2 cents for the PvE, since there are comments reflecting it. I have a StamBlade and really enjoy it. I'm not sure how well I would fair in PvP with it; however, for PvE, it is still brutal. Granted, it is still kind of squishy, because it does lack its own damaged shield. No issue, really, for normal adds/mob, dolmen, or in group setting. However, it is a bit rough going at it with a world boss, because of having no shield. I can't solo a world boss (those higher end ones) right now, but I think the Bone Shield will help rectify that. I'm still working to level up on Undaunted so I can unlock Bone Shield.

For self-healing, having Vigor, is the life saver. Not too fond about Siphoning, Sap Essence or whatever other health stealing skills a NB has; it's not working for me. Even some dude had posted a comment on another thread that a NB as healer is effective by using Twisting Path. I was like, what.. am I missing something? The Twisting Path I know is just to regen majicka and nothing about health points. Whatever.. Vigor is where it is at for an NB self-healing. For damages/DPS.. all you need to do is throw down the Endless Hail, send out your Dark Shades boys, mark em with Reaper's Mark, then prime with Relentless Focus and throw out the Shrouded Daggers, followed by a thrashing from the Rapid Strikes and watch your target(s) melt (for PvE, of course.) Bamm, bye.. thank you, Ma'am. Also, throw up the Deadly Cloak for added flare if one likes or sneak in a Poison Injection here and there.

MCBIZZLE300 · July 2017

I'm not a huge fan of the spectral bow but has become essential to nightblades. I'd rather it was an aoe attack or something. Sustain seems great however, not that i wouldn't like reduced cost of say essence but i don't find managing resources an issue.

laksikus · July 2017

AOE Attacks?
Sap essence is already the best aoe ability (apart from ultimates) in the game. Comparing it to templar jabs just isnt right. Jabs have to be aimed at someone. Sap you can jsut spam and damage everyone around you. AND you heal your allies too with it.
Cost is the same as other aoe abilities

Conclusion:
The cost is fine

Specialty?
mag nbs shine in escapability. cloak and shade is very strong in 1vx, or 1vzerg.

Im pretty sure emrciless was 4 attacks before patch, 1 is only a minor nerf. sure its 1 more than lst patch, but you should be able to fit 2 into one merciless now, which makes it better the longer a fight lasts.

I agree that cripple is a bit too slow, and can be dodged in like 100% of times. But javelin speed is too fast. I would fine a middle way for both skills. so thats its more likely to hit, but still can be dodged by a fast player.

The shades teleport should be fixed, minor main is only a bonus if you use it, and it counts for necropotence. I think when you fix the teleport, its fine. buffing it would make it too good.

Impale damage calculation is broken as well and should be fixed

Funnel is the main spamable and its ok, compared with other clases, but why exactly is it reflectable? its not a projectile, and a dk/warden can completly shut down a nb, same as the new eclipse if templars spam it (or cyro guards who dont even give a cc immunity)

Conclusion:
Fix shades and cloak, increase speed of cloak, fix impale
Increase the speed of Cripple, make funnel unreflactable

Sustain
Siphoning attacks got nerfed, right. But it still equals 330 mag regen without the light attack procs. thats still stronger than templar.
And what magicka pool from sorcs are you talking about? nbs can get a better mag pool AND regen than sorcs.
Applying miner magicka steal to mark target... why? just slot elemental drain if you want magickasteal. Mark target already has 3 things over elemental drain. It debuffs both spell and physical resistance, it heals when you kill, one morph heals even more and the other lets you see through cloak

Conclusion:
Mag nbs already have the best sustain and changes to mark target would be way over the top

I agree that mag nb is not on top of pvp atm. But your changes would be crazy stupid
Major issues about mag nb is the not working cloak and shades, sometimes assassins will doesnt hit at all.

Conclusion:
Fix cloak, fix teleport shade, fix assassins will not procing, fix impale, make funnel unreflectable.

NeillMcAttack · July 2017

The biggest issue with Magblade right now is the fact that everything in its kit, unless you want to be melee, is easily dodge-able and reflect-able. So i agree with your points on those.

Impale is the worst execute is the game, dodge, dodge, dodge, not much else to say about this.

When they first mentioned the change to Siph attacks I immediately felt sap essence was also being nerfed. The fact that SA could originally proc resource return on 10% damage dealt meant it could supplement the cost of Sap, that was the original design, of course, not anymore. Personally I would like to see a much stronger and burstier heal on this spell instead of just a cost decrease, but that's just me.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · July 2017

I actually really like where magnb is at the moment. A few minor tweaks and we would be perfect in my opinion.

Siphoning reverted would be ideal as it killed any sap tank hope with no Stam return (currently slotting Stam morph for the return and getting mag recovery from enchants/ele drain).

I would also like the assasians will to be 4 LA proc rather than the 5 OR increase the duration by 4-6 seconds to give a tad more wiggle room for consecutive procs.

These changes and I'd be a happy camper since I've given up hope that cloak will ever have purge again :'(

casparian · July 2017

I think that magblade is a great place, with one exception.

The great: magblade synergizes extremely well with the emerging meta this patch. HOTs + a mitigation set -> burst -> win. It's a unique, viable playstyle that is extremely hard to take down. I don't know what more we could ask for.

The exception: everything in my magblade's toolkit is dodgeable and/or reflectable. This is especially bad in the case of my burst combos: I have to work hard to get Incap, Assassin's Will, and Impale to hit, and god forbid someone is running Shuffle. We do have the grace of Impale being cancellable, so there's that. And Assassin's Will hits hard enough that I'm reluctant to ask for it to be undodgeable. I think the best fix is for AW's travel time to be reduced. After all, it gives a tremendously loud DODGE NOW warning noise when you're about to be hit by it.

Side note: Impale, as well as every other execute in the game except sorcs', got nerfed in Morrowind. Despite the fact that this has been repeatedly pointed out sinze PTS, ZOS has yet even to acknowledge that this happened, let alone tell us whether it was intentional or not. This should be reversed, or Endless Fury should be nerfed to bring it in line with the other executes.

SilverWF · July 2017

Leveled my mag NB so far and I really love her.

1. Mag NB just perfect for bombing. "Cancer build, blah-blah" - F.U. Don't play in zergz - simple as is.
2. NB has stealth, that allows you to enter and out of PVP-combat on your will.
3. Still Sorc in PVP has more options.
4. Mag sustain in PVE is perfect - NB has cheapest and (arguably) strongest spammer - Funnel health.
5. PVE AOE damage is not too big in comparison with Sorc.
6. But PVE solo damage is ~ equal.

rhapsodious · July 2017

Grim Focus was 4 attacks to proc, not 3. Minor correction, but worth it to make because people tend to run rampant with misinformation on here (not saying you are, just stuff like someone misremembers the Dro-m'Athra senche as costing 5500 crowns when it was 4k, then suddenly you see a bunch of people claiming it was 5500.)

I'd really like Impale to be fixed, cloak to work and Agony to have a use. As it is, that's the only skill I haven't even attempted to use out of my kit. Do people even use it in PVP outside of trolling someone on a horse?

Bonus points if the resource return per attack from Siphoning Strikes is increased, because the burst heal is okay, but I'm almost never going to be in a situation where that 100 magicka is make-or-break. I really liked the chance of burst return ): I was hoping nightblades in Morrowind could be the class where sustain was significantly easier, to make up for how underrepresented they were in Homestead. Fingers crossed for Q3...

laksikus · July 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

I'd really like Impale to be fixed, cloak to work and Agony to have a use. As it is, that's the only skill I haven't even attempted to use out of my kit. Do people even use it in PVP outside of trolling someone on a horse?

I started reading that sentence and was ready to tell you to agony people on horses xD

LiquidPony · July 2017

GreenhaloX wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Leucius wrote: »

With the little bit of magicka NB experience I have, I have to agree with your points. I went stam just for sustainability purposes, came back recently to the game and found my stamNB doesn't do jack for damage anymore, but I guess that's because I don't have the right skills slotted per the meta?

Seriously considering going back to magicka, but after reading this and some other stuff, it seems like NB's just suck in general now, which is disappointing as the rogue archetype.

@Leucius
Stam blades are all using proc sets atm so their battles last like 3 seconds lmao not sure how they do in longer fights but their burst damage is the best

Magicka can be really good and i think the potential is big but atm theyre in a bit of a bad place.
So bad that when I see another Mag NB in another alliance I get excited to fight it and see what skills theyre running, its that rare atm lol

I know your thread here was, originally, geared towards PvP, but then some are including comments/feedback for PvE. I don't do PvP much either, but I'll throw in my 2 cents for the PvE, since there are comments reflecting it. I have a StamBlade and really enjoy it. I'm not sure how well I would fair in PvP with it; however, for PvE, it is still brutal. Granted, it is still kind of squishy, because it does lack its own damaged shield. No issue, really, for normal adds/mob, dolmen, or in group setting. However, it is a bit rough going at it with a world boss, because of having no shield. I can't solo a world boss (those higher end ones) right now, but I think the Bone Shield will help rectify that. I'm still working to level up on Undaunted so I can unlock Bone Shield.

For self-healing, having Vigor, is the life saver. Not too fond about Siphoning, Sap Essence or whatever other health stealing skills a NB has; it's not working for me. Even some dude had posted a comment on another thread that a NB as healer is effective by using Twisting Path. I was like, what.. am I missing something? The Twisting Path I know is just to regen majicka and nothing about health points. Whatever.. Vigor is where it is at for an NB self-healing. For damages/DPS.. all you need to do is throw down the Endless Hail, send out your Dark Shades boys, mark em with Reaper's Mark, then prime with Relentless Focus and throw out the Shrouded Daggers, followed by a thrashing from the Rapid Strikes and watch your target(s) melt (for PvE, of course.) Bamm, bye.. thank you, Ma'am. Also, throw up the Deadly Cloak for added flare if one likes or sneak in a Poison Injection here and there.

Stamblade PvE perspective on a Magblade PvP thread ... interesting.

A few things:

1) The other morph of Path is Refreshing Path, which is a strong heal.
2) Stamblades only have Vigor (and the HoT from Leeching Strikes), but Magblades can heal with Funnel Health/Swallow Soul and Sap Essence as well.
3) Your idea of doing DPS on a stamblade is ... weird. Dark Shades on a stamblade? Reaper's Mark? Shrouded Daggers? Rapid Strikes? Oy vey. Don't use Dark Shades. That's silly. Surprise Attack will out-DPS Rapid Strikes now, plus you get Shadow Barrier out of it. You can get Major Brutality from Power Extraction. And Reaper's Mark just doesn't have much purpose in PvE when you're getting Major Fracture from Surprise Attack.
4) You don't need Bone Shield. Dodge, block, Vigor, Deadly Cloak, Mirage, and Shadow Barrier procs will allow you to survive just about anything.

SanTii.92 · July 2017

This is insane. Mnbs are really strong right now on 1v1s and small scale, you can't just propose all this buffs without any trade off.

mb10 · July 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

This is insane. Mnbs are really strong right now on 1v1s and small scale, you can't just propose all this buffs without any trade off.

@SanTii.92

Exactly lol my first paragraph was lack of AOE. When youre fighting in a group what good is 1v1?

The other "buffs" were mechanics of how the skills work, *maybe* changing summon shade, and applying minor magicka steal to mark target.

Will not call changing grim focus to how it was before as a "buff" so im really not sure what you meant by "all these buffs"

Avran_Sylt · July 2017

How about adding in a 3rd skill morph for skills? Such as:

Nightblade - Siphoning - Cripple

3rd Morph - Draining Grasp:
Applies Minor Magickasteal

Nightblade - Siphoning - Drain Essence

3rd Morph - Rend Essence (Magicka Cost)
Increases the Damage Done

LiquidPony · July 2017

mb10 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

This is insane. Mnbs are really strong right now on 1v1s and small scale, you can't just propose all this buffs without any trade off.

@SanTii.92

Exactly lol my first paragraph was lack of AOE. When youre fighting in a group what good is 1v1?

The other "buffs" were mechanics of how the skills work, *maybe* changing summon shade, and applying minor magicka steal to mark target.

Will not call changing grim focus to how it was before as a "buff" so im really not sure what you meant by "all these buffs"

Huh?

Reverting Grim Focus to proc off of 4 (not 3) LAs would be a huge buff. "Changing Grim Focus to how it was before" would mean that you can only proc it once per cast.

And if it were reverted to 4, I suspect PvE DPS would be way out of balance. It would be trivial to proc the bow 3 times per cast and possible to proc it 4 times, which is just an insane amount of damage when they're hitting for 50k-60k+.

mb10 · July 2017

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

SanTii.92 · July 2017

mb10 wrote: »

SanTii.92 wrote: »

This is insane. Mnbs are really strong right now on 1v1s and small scale, you can't just propose all this buffs without any trade off.

@SanTii.92

Exactly lol my first paragraph was lack of AOE. When youre fighting in a group what good is 1v1?

The other "buffs" were mechanics of how the skills work, *maybe* changing summon shade, and applying minor magicka steal to mark target.

Will not call changing grim focus to how it was before as a "buff" so im really not sure what you meant by "all these buffs"

Hmm what about these?

"mb10 wrote:

Return light/heavy attakcs for grim focus to proc to 3 or even 4.
Increase the speed of Cripple and Assasin's Blade.
Increase damage of the shadows from Summon Shade and maybe increase the time of Minor Maim as its only 4 seconds and single target.

Or, you know, those.

"mb10 wrote:

Apply minor magickasteal to Mark Target similar to how Elemental Drain works as they both debuff the target.

All combined are quite a lot of buffs for an already, argueable if you want, overperforming class. Give me a trade off and we can properly discuss about them.

LiquidPony · July 2017

mb10 wrote: »

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

Majorly Nerfed? What? Allowing it to proc multiple times was a nerf?

Does not compute.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "automatic recast animation." You hit 5 LAs to proc it, you proc it, you move on. There's no "automatic recast animation," although I'm having trouble parsing that second paragraph so maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

mb10 · July 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

Majorly Nerfed? What? Allowing it to proc multiple times was a nerf?

Does not compute.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "automatic recast animation." You hit 5 LAs to proc it, you proc it, you move on. There's no "automatic recast animation," although I'm having trouble parsing that second paragraph so maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

Lol have you ever used that skill? As soon as you fire the bow, the skill automatically recasts but the animation happens too.
Meaning, you cant combine it with other skills straight away. You have to wait that 1 second for the animation to finish

casparian · July 2017

mb10 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

Majorly Nerfed? What? Allowing it to proc multiple times was a nerf?

Does not compute.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "automatic recast animation." You hit 5 LAs to proc it, you proc it, you move on. There's no "automatic recast animation," although I'm having trouble parsing that second paragraph so maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

Lol have you ever used that skill? As soon as you fire the bow, the skill automatically recasts but the animation happens too.
Meaning, you cant combine it with other skills straight away. You have to wait that 1 second for the animation to finish

Have you ever used that skill? I'm a magblade main and have never seen Grim Focus automatically recast itself after you fire it. Are you sure you're not just pressing the skill button too multiple times without realizing it?

PS4_ZeColmeia · July 2017

LiquidPony wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

Majorly Nerfed? What? Allowing it to proc multiple times was a nerf?

Does not compute.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "automatic recast animation." You hit 5 LAs to proc it, you proc it, you move on. There's no "automatic recast animation," although I'm having trouble parsing that second paragraph so maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

This

The only nerf I've felt is that I'm so used to recasting it that it feels wonky still which is my L2P issue. I don't like the higher number of casts only because my weaving isn't always on point, but I'm starting to get better at it + mashing attack before it runs out and I do my buff rotation again.

Once my weaving gets better I can already tell I'm going to love it way more than I did previously.

LiquidPony · July 2017

mb10 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

Majorly Nerfed? What? Allowing it to proc multiple times was a nerf?

Does not compute.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "automatic recast animation." You hit 5 LAs to proc it, you proc it, you move on. There's no "automatic recast animation," although I'm having trouble parsing that second paragraph so maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

Lol have you ever used that skill? As soon as you fire the bow, the skill automatically recasts but the animation happens too.
Meaning, you cant combine it with other skills straight away. You have to wait that 1 second for the animation to finish

There is no "recast" happening. I have no idea what you're talking about. My 2 mains are a magblade and a stamblade, I use this skill hundreds of times every day, on the target skeleton, in raid, in BGs, etc.

The proc has an animation (that can be canceled) like most other abilities. There is no recast.

Xvorg · July 2017

rhapsodious wrote: »

I'd really like Impale to be fixed, cloak to work and Agony to have a use. As it is, that's the only skill I haven't even attempted to use out of my kit. Do people even use it in PVP outside of trolling someone on a horse?

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Before Meteor.

Meteor -> agony -> spam force shock/strife (impale)

Xvorg · July 2017

casparian wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

@LiquidPony

Huh?

How is it a buff if thats how it was before? It got majorly nerfed. Im saying just change it back ot what it always was. Cant see how thats considered a "buff"

The auto cast after gives most other classes with the burst heal the change to spam it as soon as they se their health get hit so unless its a finishing move, its been majorly majorly nerfed by 1) 5 light attacks to proc 2) the automatic recast animation that wastes a second

Majorly Nerfed? What? Allowing it to proc multiple times was a nerf?

Does not compute.

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "automatic recast animation." You hit 5 LAs to proc it, you proc it, you move on. There's no "automatic recast animation," although I'm having trouble parsing that second paragraph so maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

Lol have you ever used that skill? As soon as you fire the bow, the skill automatically recasts but the animation happens too.
Meaning, you cant combine it with other skills straight away. You have to wait that 1 second for the animation to finish

Have you ever used that skill? I'm a magblade main and have never seen Grim Focus automatically recast itself after you fire it. Are you sure you're not just pressing the skill button too multiple times without realizing it?

yup, the cast is only once, Different is in he case of SA with its annoying recast after 10 secs