New player : Stam Sorc or DK ?

asuzab16_ESO
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Hi everyone,

I apologize in advance for the approximate English. I am kind of a new player (stopped a few weeks after the release) and Morrowind is the perfect occasion to come back and see how the game is now. So far, I am pleasantly surprised and I really it. However, I am having a hard time choosing which class to play between the stam DK and stam Sorc.

I leveled up both to level 50 to have a better idea before making a final decision and after about three weeks leveling two characters, I am still strugling. Here are my impressions about the two classes :

- DK (DW/Bow) : my stam DK feels quite weak (compared to my sorc). I can go through the content but it is a little challenging, mainly because it sucks at aoe, and it also feels very slow because of all the dots/lack of burst. However, I really like the spells and I feel like I am having a "challenging" (for a new ESO player) going through the content. Overall, I just feel like the DK lacks burst but maybe a build with 2H like my sorc would help.

- Sorc (2H/Bow) : God mode. Hurricane and Critical Surge and go. I haven't died a single time, or haven't gotten close to death even once. My HP bar rarely goes down and when it does, it's never under 80/90%. While I like the very fast and violent gameplay, , I also feel like it's too much powerful, way too much. So much that I am starting to get bored of rolling over everything with this character. I am not a big fan of the very invasive spells on the screen (Hurricane and Bound Armaments).


At the moment, I am finishing getting my sorc to level 50 but even if the gameplay feels a lot more fun (2H skills feel great) it is so easy and feels so not rewarding that I am considering going back to my DK. I have been hesitating for about a month and I still can't figure out. To make it simple, I am struggling between challeging but slow gameplay (DK) and fun gameplay but way too overpowered (Sorc).

Some of the questions I am asking myself are :
- Can the DK stam get more offensive and do some burst ?
- The sorc feels overpowered at the moment (just go 50) but do things even out later and does it get more challeging?

Since I'd like to do most of the contest on only one character - no ALTs - , I thought I would ask for your opinion to have a better idea of what those two classes feel like at higher level before making any decision. Any feedback on those classes would really help and be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and have fun in game.
  • BlanketFort
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    If you like burst playstyle, I'd go stam sorc. Their passives basically support them as the damage dealing class (and reduced costs, too!), and keeping a stam sorc alive is easier than keeping a StamDK alive (especially now that bloodthirst is not as sustainable).

    On the other hand, I found the playstyle on the DK enjoyable. I love the resource return through battleroar and the whole "I'm not going down before you do" attitude. Outsurviving and slowly burning down the boss with DoTs turned out to be the way I preferred to play. It's not faceroll level, but it was more of a challenge and I thought that was fun.
  • Oreyn_Bearclaw
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    Simply put, I believe stam sorc to be the better all around class, but I believe stam DK has the potential for the most single target DPS.

    You bring up some unusual concerns. First, if you dont want to play with hurrican or bound armamants, you probably shouldnt play with stam sorc. These are the skills that define stam sorc. Second, no reason not to go DW/Bow on a stam sorc if playing PVE.

    In terms of overpowered, what content are you talking about? If you are simply talking about overland mobs, you want to feel overpowered. If you dont, vet dungeons will be a nightmare. Overland content is a pushover with any well built class.

    If you are looking to break into competitive end game content, I think Stam Sorc is the more viable option to start with.
    Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on June 19, 2017 5:52PM
  • asuzab16_ESO
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    Thank you for your answers, guys. I really appreciated that you took the time to give me your opinions on the two classes.

    When I say overpowered, I was only talking about the leveling, as I don't know anything about the high level content. So far, I am not planning to raid and my main goal is to discover the whole world of Tamriel, do some PvP and maybe sometimes a few dungeons. That's why I was concerned about the stam sorc. I felt like it was a little too much while my DK felt a little more challenging (I could clearly see the difference in public dungeons) and since my first plan is to quest through all the zones of the game, I am worried that I might get bored quickly rolling over everything.

    While I like the sorc gameplay more than the DK's, I feel like I am having more fun with the DK only because the mobs are not disappearing in one or two hits. By asking for your opinions, I am trying to have a better idea about what those classes feel at higher level (full CP), if things even out a little and if the stam sorc feels a little less overpowered.

    About the stam sorc spells, it's not that I don't want to play with them. I am using them at the moment and I find them very good but unfortunately, I also fill like they kill the immersion by being really invasive both visually and audibly (mainly hurricane). I find it easier to get immersion with my simple DK than with my stam sorc spells taking half the screen. However, it's not so bad that I would refuse to play this class because of that.

    Overall, it is just me being very undecisive and always switching between those two classes. I play my DK for a few days and feel like the gameplay is too much on the defensive side (I will try 2H today to see if it feels better), then go on my sorc to have a great time using my spells but then feel overpowered and go back to my DK, and so on. I am trying to understand better what those classes are like at higher level to finally take a decision.

    By the way, how are they in PvP, played as dps ?
  • Vapirko
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    DKs are best with a heavy attack build. Use hundings and spriggans for easy to get gear with velidreth, run the healing morph of poison slash, rending slashes, noxiiis breath, blade cloak and flames of oblivion with flwless dWnbreaker. On bow bar run caltrops, endless hail, rearming trap, poison injection and molten armaments with standard of might. You can switch out FOO for vigor if you need heals and hardened armor in there somewhere for more protection. Use a heavy attack weave to maintain stamina. This build is capable of all solo content. Stam sorcs have better survivabilty but won't be able to maintain stamina and output as much dps.
  • asuzab16_ESO
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    First of all, thank you for your answer Vapirko. It is nice to have some information about the DK. Second, sorry for the late answer, I was waiting to see what my stam sorc is like around CP 160 and unfortunately, I am still very confused.

    What I am going to say may sound very strange so please keep in mind that I am a new player with an almost non existent knowledge about ESO outside of the overland content but I would really appreciate if you could give me your opinion.

    Today, I spent my day playing my stam sorc (CP 150) and if I had to summarize my day, I would day : Great gameplay but so overpowered that it makes it absolutely boring. I love the stam sorc gameplay. I survive by being really offensive, the opposite of the DK where I have to use so many defensive skills while my dots do the job. The offensiveness of the stam sorc is good but it is also so extreme...

    To give you an example : I am now in the public dungeon of Coldharbour, popping hurricane and critical surge and doing alt tab for 15 sec to write this message, getting back in game and everything around is dead. I have to force myself to not use critical surge and hurricane to make it interesting. The boss are harder to kill though .

    Now, I'm taking my DK in the same dungeon, just to compare, and I have to dodge, use my potion, ulti, block and I barely make it vs a 6 ennemies pack and it took me 3 or 4 times longer. I barely make it alive on each pack and I have to make sure will be up for the next one. On the positive side, the bosses felt easier to kill with my DK.

    And here comes the big question in my head : "I like the sorc gameplay better but it is too overpowered, and my DK feels more fun but should I go for a class that is so much weaker, that takes 3 or 4 times longer to do anything in the game or should I just stay with the sorc, rolling over the content ?" I feel like farming public dungeons, vma, etc is a big part of the game and I am worried that going with the DK might be like starting the race with shooting myself in the foot.

    Basically, that's where the gamer inside of me says "Don't be an idiot and go with the challeging class, even if it will slows you down, as long as you're having fun" but where the worker with much less gaming time thinks productively "Why should I go with the weak class instead of picking a class that allows me to do absolutely anything, way quicker?". I know, I'm the perfect example for undecisiveness...

    So to make it simple (not sure it is after writting so much...), and because I keep thinking that I should play DK, I will just ask one question : Do you think the DK is a good class to enjoy the game solo ? Public dungeons, VMA, PvP. Knowing that I am going to farm sets like Spriggan, I am worried that it is going to take ages with the DK, compared to the sorcerer, and that with my "low" gaming time, I will regret not going with the sorc and get bored in the end.

    Basically, the only thing stopping keeping me going back and forth is that feeling that the DK stam is one hell of a weak class that can't do ***, especially for a solo player, compared the sorcerer. Is that feeling accurate or completely wrong?
  • KingYogi415
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    Game seems to easy huh? Gratz you are ready for VMA.

    Good luck!
  • KingYogi415
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    All classes can roleplay overworld content in hybrid builds 1 button rotation and be just fine. Go hop in a vet dungeon and see how well you fare tho. You might feel stupid for not choosing a class that felt "easy" before.

    And Most people main 3-6 chacters at once. Getting to 50 is easy and half your characters will be sharing gear.

    Asking which one to focus out of 2 is kinda silly. Play what you like, any class can seem OP in the right hands.
    Edited by KingYogi415 on June 25, 2017 9:36PM
  • Mysteri0n
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    for stamina i still like stamplar it like God mode in pvp wait he is considering all argonians are the real divines
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  • asuzab16_ESO
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    Game seems to easy huh? Gratz you are ready for VMA.

    Good luck!

    I am not asking if the game gets hard. I understand very well it does with vma, vet dungeons and trials and I am looking forward to it. What I am concerned about is that the stam DK stays so much behind in the that content, like it is in overland. An example : it seems to be very hard to solo any vet dungeon as a stam DK when everyone says you can easily do any of them solo with a stam sorc. It seems very hard to do a lot of worldbosses solo as DK where the Stam Sorc can do most of them easy peasy. I am a solo player and I want to enjoy the game as much as possible with only one class and while the DK seems fun because it is weak and challenging, I am also worried about picking a class that can't do so much solo content compared to the others. You talk about VMA but I read everywhere that if you want to do VMA super easily, you should just go stam sorc.

    So the question I was asking myself during all this time was : I love the DK because it is challenging but why should I go for what seems to be such a weak class when you have another one that does everything better and allows you to do way more things (easily farm, easily do vma, solo vet dungeons, more worldbosses, etc...) ?

    Anyway, I have no reason to struggle with this anymore because after getting tired of going back and forth for about two/three weeks, it drove me nuts and I decided to take quite a radical solution. I deleted my stam sorc. No more easy mode / god mode.

    While I enjoyed being overpowered, I thought that it was not a good way to enjoy the game, especially because it doesn't require me to learn anything (no need to block/dodge/interrupt or whatsoever) and discover the mechanics. So I decided to go with the hard mode DK. I can already see how hard it is going to be compared to the stam sorc and it is probably going to take me a few more days/weeks to get everything done but I just hope it will pay off in the long term and be more fun.
    Edited by asuzab16_ESO on June 25, 2017 10:53PM
  • lauykanson
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    Stam DK can pull highest DPS in a raid group situation and stam sorc is more for soloing content. You can clear vma with both of them so it dosent matter too much. However some world bosses will be very hard if not impossible to solo with sDK due to insufficient healing. In short if u only solo i say go for sorc unless you dont mind dying a lot, if u planning to do group content then stam DK can dish out insane dps once u master it.
  • murdomac101
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    lauykanson wrote: »
    Stam DK can pull highest DPS in a raid group situation and stam sorc is more for soloing content. You can clear vma with both of them so it dosent matter too much. However some world bosses will be very hard if not impossible to solo with sDK due to insufficient healing. In short if u only solo i say go for sorc unless you dont mind dying a lot, if u planning to do group content then stam DK can dish out insane dps once u master it.

    What healing does a stam sorc have that a stam dk doesn't? On both I use rally and vigor.
  • asuzab16_ESO
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    lauykanson wrote: »
    Stam DK can pull highest DPS in a raid group situation and stam sorc is more for soloing content. You can clear vma with both of them so it dosent matter too much. However some world bosses will be very hard if not impossible to solo with sDK due to insufficient healing. In short if u only solo i say go for sorc unless you dont mind dying a lot, if u planning to do group content then stam DK can dish out insane dps once u master it.

    Thanks for your answer. I can see what you mean as I was struggling a lot with the DK heals. It is enough but still nowhere close to Critical Surge. I really felt that I was invicible as long as this spell was up. The difference with the DK is shocking and I feel like I am going to spend my time kitting world bosses with my DK where my stam sorc would just stand there and dps.

    Anyway, I decided to go with the DK and I don't regret it so far. The game is "harder" (less easy would be more appropriated) and the DK feels way more challeging and rewarding.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    lauykanson wrote: »
    Stam DK can pull highest DPS in a raid group situation and stam sorc is more for soloing content. You can clear vma with both of them so it dosent matter too much. However some world bosses will be very hard if not impossible to solo with sDK due to insufficient healing. In short if u only solo i say go for sorc unless you dont mind dying a lot, if u planning to do group content then stam DK can dish out insane dps once u master it.

    Thanks for your answer. I can see what you mean as I was struggling a lot with the DK heals. It is enough but still nowhere close to Critical Surge. I really felt that I was invicible as long as this spell was up. The difference with the DK is shocking and I feel like I am going to spend my time kitting world bosses with my DK where my stam sorc would just stand there and dps.

    Anyway, I decided to go with the DK and I don't regret it so far. The game is "harder" (less easy would be more appropriated) and the DK feels way more challeging and rewarding.

    DK is a very strong class, an experience player can use this class very effectively in PVE & PVP.

    I use to solo all WB on my stam DK, was using dreugh king + viper + tremor scale

    Was doing good DPS using sword & board tabk/dps build.

    Still with maelstorm 1h dagger/axe they do hell lot of dps!

    I love rolling DK for PVP! Its simply fun!
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 26, 2017 11:27AM
  • asuzab16_ESO
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    Thanks for your comment Lord_Dexter!

    I am actually really curious about that dps / tank build you are talking about. Could you tell me more about it? I would actually prefer to run a tanky dps. I was thinking of doing something like that (full stamina, heavy armor, s&b + 2H), but I didn't think it would be viable. I also looked at some hybrid builds but there is no concrete guides like the ones Alcast does.

    If you have any advice for a slightly tanky build with good dps (not necesseraly the best, just good enough to go through the content without spending hours tanking an ennemy), I'm all ears!



  • Lord_Eomer
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    My build was:

    5 x piece viper (jewlery with weapon damage enchantment, belt sturdy, 1 x weapon or shield)
    5 x dreugh king (chest, legs infused wih max stamina), shoes, hands sturdy or divine (max health)
    2 x tremor scale (head infused heavy with max stamina, shoulder med div/sturdy with max heamth glyph)

    Shield with max stamina bith batmrs, can put heakth glyoh if feel health is low.

    All Attributes into stamina with Serpent mudus stone and using Dubious Camoran Throne. My stam regen was like 1800.

    Heavy armor all passives and medium armor passives (that not requires 5 piece)

    My stam was like 32k/33k, health like 25k+ and damage was good to solo world boss easily!

    Was using vigor for healing, blocking when required.

    With volatile armor my resistance was like 27/28k
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 26, 2017 3:03PM
  • asuzab16_ESO
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    Awesome! I just a few questions :

    - What kind of armor? Full heavy or a fiew medium too?
    - What was your other weapon? 2H? If not, what did you use to aoe?

    Thanks for taking the time to help. Really appreciate it!
  • Magıc
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    As a stamdk main, stam sorc. Stam dk is weak right now. Stam dk does have a higher ceilining in my opinion, but it needs buffs. Stam sorc isn't op nor weak, it's fairly well balanced.

    I'd try 5H 2M and then 5M 2H and see which you prefer. Stam sorc is one of the few classes that can get away with heavy still.

    Bow/2H is best. In PVE DW is more survivability alongside bow but 2H is still great.

    In PVE group content, stamDK does still win but there is hardly any difference.
    Edited by Magıc on June 26, 2017 3:31PM
  • zeus1gdsm
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    I would say to experience the content with whatever class you want. U can make that dk a bit more damage heavy to clear faster.

    But honestly, as a returned player. There is so much grinding in this game. I would run the stam sorc to get yourself to 160 first. Just grind to 160 with the sorc. Faster kills=faster xp =faster champion lvl.

    I say this because while clearing all zones you will get loot. Said loot will be useless if your not 160. So to go through all the levels at low cp and then have to go back and do it all over to farm your gear (like spriggarns) at cp160 is torture.

    Just grind a character to 160. Then take your preferred toon through all the zones as the cp is across character.. That way any gear you get will be usable and you can stick it in your vault (drop sets).

    I have 5 cp 330 toons.
  • SoLooney
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    I love my stam sorc. I love hurricane and crit surge too much to drop it. Not to mention reduced costs of ultimates
  • Vapirko
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    For solo play on a stam DK survivabilty is much harder, you need to run vigor for sure and possibly hardened armor as well. But I can solo a lot of world bosses with stam DK, and easily solo a lot of normal dungeons as well. Still though stam DK are without a doubt one of the tricked classes to play. Stam sorc will still be challenging for vet group content and if you want to atttemp vma, stam sorc is going to be easier.
    Edited by Vapirko on June 30, 2017 2:01PM
  • Bobby_V_Rockit
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    Donmey Kong all the way brah!
  • Kilandros
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    Stam Sorc is all around more fun and more effective. StamDK can outparse StamSorc in single target raid fights, but that's it.
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