harshest critic on Master writs, USELESS! and full of flaws.

Dracofyre · July 2017

almost no one buying and i see lot of other players selling in /chats, they are becoming treated like toliet papers, i am being flooded with wood master tasks with i cant do them in few months due to very slow and long research to get all 9 traits unlocking, i have no problems with provisioner and alchemy, but can do few enchants if not required Cyrodiil runes.
i have check auction for nirnhoned, too easy to be broke.
often i get legendary and lot of epic writs, i had done lot of decom (muted/salvage) and rarely get epics, only option was to harvest loads of raws to get refined materials to get some chances on legendary.

many rather want more survey maps to get chances on epics and legendaries when finished refinings.
many newer players faced this problems due to long research timers and most veteran players are a year ahead and finished most of them and they are done with writs and there nothing for them to buy with vouchers.

i can see why Nirncrux items are expensive and not easy to replace.

devs, you need to be aware, nearly everyone refuse to craft any nirnhoned for 2-6 vouchers, sound like you devs are 'robbing the players of most valueable limited materials'. poorly designed. you wanted us to use up epic and legendary while green and blue materials went unused and getting several stacks pile up, often not sold on auction. players' option was to sold to trash vendors just to recover some loss of bad investments or hogging bank/bag inventories way too long.

one more to add, writs requiring specific work stations are also too confusing to newer players wondering where those tables located, names of tables often dont listed on google/wikk sites to find "true locations", often confuse more with local location with other names, i feel those craft location should include secondary names showing if mouse cursor hover on map icons to show "Oh there it is" it said Torug's Pact is in Lake Halaatu like you devs put names on guild vendors icon.
i am tired flipping from game screen to website searching just to keep my character from being "Idling too long"

some players get loads of master writs on one day and some players get nothing for days. many dont want them and only few who need them, and some are stuck due to research put on hold on writs for several weeks.

Nirnhoned writs should have been extremely rare and you devs are throwing tons at us like used paper wipes and we cant keep up or too broke to do another one.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2017

Also very buggy as well, my main crafter stats below and barely gets any master writs anymore for like the past month

Magdalina · July 2017

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

KingMagaw · July 2017

My maxed main is getting very little master writs. I dont think its really based on motif knowledge tbh

idk · July 2017

The writs I choose to not do I have sold just fine. Price them appropriately and they will sell.

As for upgrade matts, if you are doing writs you are getting surveys which provide raw matts to refine. As for epics, heck, decon purple gear.

Also, any master writ I have gotten that require nirn provides much more than 2-6 vouchers. The lowest nirn writ I have seen provided 17 vouchers and it was armor so the nirn value was low in comparison to the vouchers received. Also an easy and motif. Nirn writs do not seem to come up often. Maybe your RNG factor, or mine, playing a role.

As for locations for crafting sets, one thing I thought was a positive for the master writs is it got more players looking at the actual sets, maybe. They might notice something the like.

Granted, you may disagree with my view, that is ok.

LadyDestiny · July 2017

It is definitely a system for those with really deep pockets who have unlimited resources, and can afford to buy top end writs or have them donated. This in turn makes them more rich as in selling retunables for 500k is just plain ignorant on Zos part. For even the average person with all master crafters, these things are out of reach to buy either at voucher merchant or GT. Remember, there is no money in crafting anymore since Zos took a dump on sets and increasing materials for crafting, and also nerfing upgrade materials etc. The whole writ system needs an overhaul, from dailies to master writs. Vouchers need an increase in amounts for the type of writ. This 6 to 10 vouchers is absolute nonsense for epic and legendary crafting, or just get get rid of gold items needed for voucher writs. Reduce the cost of items on the voucher vender as well, and increase drop rates on upgrade materials. Problem is Zos does not care as they love trolling us with their RNG system.

Huyen · July 2017

New players gotta do a quest to unlock the writs, so they know what work-station to use. Regarding the drops: I had none so far in the past 2 months, so the droprates are still pretty low.

Vipstaakki · July 2017

What is it with people competing with each other who can give the harshest negative critique about something? Do you think it makes you look cool or something?

zyk · July 2017

Dracofyre wrote: »

one more to add, writs requiring specific work stations are also too confusing to newer players wondering where those tables located, names of tables often dont listed on google/wikk sites to find "true locations", often confuse more with local location with other names, i feel those craft location should include secondary names showing if mouse cursor hover on map icons to show "Oh there it is" it said Torug's Pact is in Lake Halaatu like you devs put names on guild vendors icon.
i am tired flipping from game screen to website searching just to keep my character from being "Idling too long"

Research and exploration in an RPG! Ridiculous!

supaskrub · July 2017

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Magdalina · July 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Sounds like an armor one and I'd gladly take it off your hands for say ~10k. I'm not sure why you'd delete that which you can profitably sell

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Why? You couldve sold it, or even offered for free in zone chat.
Sorry but it sounds like "I deleted my tempering alloy because I dont wear heavy armor".

supaskrub · July 2017

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Why? You couldve sold it, or even offered for free in zone chat.
Sorry but it sounds like "I deleted my tempering alloy because I dont wear heavy armor".

Because its not worth the use of a nirncrux and other materials when i have over two thousand vouchers worth of writs sat in my bank that either require 8/9 traits or i just can't be bothered to do seeing as i have most of the stuff from Hlaalu that is of interest to me, if i sell it, its worth less than 1k a voucher, sure i could give it away for free but giving stuff away for free doesn't add to the 5m or so gold i already have and lets face it less than 15k on top of 5m isn't a game changing amount.

JasonSilverSpring · July 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Why? You couldve sold it, or even offered for free in zone chat.
Sorry but it sounds like "I deleted my tempering alloy because I dont wear heavy armor".

Because its not worth the use of a nirncrux and other materials when i have over two thousand vouchers worth of writs sat in my bank that either require 8/9 traits or i just can't be bothered to do seeing as i have most of the stuff from Hlaalu that is of interest to me, if i sell it, its worth less than 1k a voucher, sure i could give it away for free but giving stuff away for free doesn't add to the 5m or so gold i already have and lets face it less than 15k on top of 5m isn't a game changing amount.

If the gold is not worth it to you, why not give to a guild members or put in guild bank? After all one man's trash is another's treasure.

My threshold is much lower than yours, but anything not worth keeping our selling I give to guild unless it is complete trash.

Wolfenbelle · July 2017

I have never done a single writ. Have been in the game over 3 years since pre-launch in 2014. So I did all crafts (except provisioning) the "old-fashioned" way -- before the writ system was put in place. I have everything maxed, with 9 traits on all armor except a couple of blacksmithing weapons I never used. Gradually working on completing them, but see no reason to rush.

The nearly universal dislike of the writ system here on the forums is the main reason I never tried doing them. If I already had nearly everything maxed and if the writ system is as bad as people on the forums say it is, then why bother? Just craft without them and use the utility item in the crown store that lets you speed up research time. First research the pieces you use most often, then add the others. No muss, no fuss, no stress.

supaskrub · July 2017

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Why? You couldve sold it, or even offered for free in zone chat.
Sorry but it sounds like "I deleted my tempering alloy because I dont wear heavy armor".

Because its not worth the use of a nirncrux and other materials when i have over two thousand vouchers worth of writs sat in my bank that either require 8/9 traits or i just can't be bothered to do seeing as i have most of the stuff from Hlaalu that is of interest to me, if i sell it, its worth less than 1k a voucher, sure i could give it away for free but giving stuff away for free doesn't add to the 5m or so gold i already have and lets face it less than 15k on top of 5m isn't a game changing amount.

If the gold is not worth it to you, why not give to a guild members or put in guild bank? After all one man's trash is another's treasure.

My threshold is much lower than yours, but anything not worth keeping our selling I give to guild unless it is complete trash.

I'm in five guilds, crafters of four of these guilds have had writs in the past from me in one way shape or form, four of those five guilds now has maxed crafting stations at their respective guild house's, the fifth guild has no interest in them.

Now as i said in my other post i have just about everything Hlaalu has of interest to me and i will continue to save master writs, as an example if this particular blacksmithing writ did'nt require nirn (and incidently i do have nirn unlocked on every armour/weapon item) i would have plonked it into the bank for a day when i can be bothered to chill and just do writs but there realy is no insentive for me personally.

But all that said we have a situation where completing master writs has got stale for many people, we also have people asking for a token system in the game where they can exchange a token for certain dungeon items, it would'nt take much to implement a system where my 2k vouchers worth of writs would be done in a flash if i could buy that token from Hlaalu for lets say 2.5k vouchers. The UI would/could be similar to guild store UI, use voucher, UI opens up, select dungeon, select the gear set, select item, select trait = happy crafters and vouchers actualy becoming increasing in value for trading.

angelncelestine · July 2017

At least your getting something. I haven't gotten anything over 6 vouchers in weeks. :-(

Dracofyre · July 2017

oh, i forgot, some required some lower level water when we are unable to gather or harvest, and that is another insult for those unworkable writs.

Magdalina · July 2017

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

I have never done a single writ. Have been in the game over 3 years since pre-launch in 2014. So I did all crafts (except provisioning) the "old-fashioned" way -- before the writ system was put in place. I have everything maxed, with 9 traits on all armor except a couple of blacksmithing weapons I never used. Gradually working on completing them, but see no reason to rush.

The nearly universal dislike of the writ system here on the forums is the main reason I never tried doing them. If I already had nearly everything maxed and if the writ system is as bad as people on the forums say it is, then why bother? Just craft without them and use the utility item in the crown store that lets you speed up research time. First research the pieces you use most often, then add the others. No muss, no fuss, no stress.

Seems you're confusing crafting writs and master writs here. Crafting writs are awesome because it's a free source of gold mats, there's no reason not to do them. Master writs are something you sometimes get for completing a normal writ, it's a box with a task asking you to craft X set piece with Y trait for which it'll give you Z vouchers which you can then use to buy stuff from voucher merchant. Master writs' worth is debatable as they sometimes require you to use gold mats and sometimes even nirncrux, and writ merchant's stock is finite.

To OP, if you don't need it and don't care for the gold why not give it away for free? One man's junk is another man's treasure, you could've made someone really happy with about the same amount of effort it took you to delete it. Or with equal amount of effort you could've listed it in one of your many guilds slightly below the average price and net some gold - sure 10-13k may not be too op but it'd add up soon if you're destroying so many writs.

Master merchant sure could use some love but you're basically complaining about not having a use for stuff that you personally don't need AND refuse to sell or give away despite there still being a mildly active market for this stuff. This one's on you.

LadyNalcarya · July 2017

supaskrub wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

supaskrub wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Please give your nirnhoned writs to me if you're being spammed with them, you lucky you o: I have all traits and all pre-Morrowind motifs(except Crown Store exclusive ones) yet I've only ever gotten ONE nirnhoned writ(doing crafting writs daily since the system came out), epic for like 40 writs. I so wish I'd get more, nirnhoned legendary seem to be like 200+, I'd much rather prefer one legendary for 200+ than five legendaries for ~40 that I keep getting from woodworking>.<

I would gladly have given you the Epic, Nirnhoned, Ashen Grip blacksmithing writ i recieved this morning..... 15 vouchers it was worth so maybe you would not have realy wanted it anyway, either way its deleted now..

Why? You couldve sold it, or even offered for free in zone chat.
Sorry but it sounds like "I deleted my tempering alloy because I dont wear heavy armor".

Because its not worth the use of a nirncrux and other materials when i have over two thousand vouchers worth of writs sat in my bank that either require 8/9 traits or i just can't be bothered to do seeing as i have most of the stuff from Hlaalu that is of interest to me, if i sell it, its worth less than 1k a voucher, sure i could give it away for free but giving stuff away for free doesn't add to the 5m or so gold i already have and lets face it less than 15k on top of 5m isn't a game changing amount.

Deleting it also doesnt add anything.

And well... 15k is a small amount, but a single gold temper or a flower costs even less, and people are still making millions on them.
So yeah... To each their own I guess.

DeadlyRecluse · July 2017

The master writ system seems okay to me, it's a long term thing not a "grind it out over a weekend" kind of system. I only have one crafter with any real motif knowledge, and she's only got about 1/2 of the motifs learned, and I've gotten:
Full ebony motif
All basic crafting stations+dye station
30ish purple furnishing plans
Target skeleton

...and I have 200-300 writs worth of vouchers that I haven't finished yet. But maybe I have just fallen into favor with RNJesus.

Just wish they'd revert the price bump on Hlallu purple furnishing documents, 10 vouchers was a lot more palatable.

Prof_Bawbag · July 2017

There are some terrible writs. For example, the alchemy writ for 10 vouchers that requires 2 perfect roe. On console and for the prices PR sells for, simply better to sell those roe. The 13 voucher writ that require a tri rune and a kuta. Mastic is also becoming a pain to get. So much so, it sells for around 1k per mat on PS4. Then there are those alchemy writs for 2-3 vouchers that require corn flower and lady smock. Erm no, don't think so. Unless the writs are for personal use, they're becoming a complete waste of time.

For the above reasons i no longer buy writs simply because buying the writ combined with the cost of mats, it almost always results in a loss. Other than training dummies and animus stones next to nothing sells and even those two items don't really shift that quickly any more.

I only buy research scrolls now to quicken the last 3 traits I've to learn. Think I only need 6 more vouchers and after that, goodbye master writs unless it's a biggie e.g. 150+

Dracofyre · July 2017

i still have few nirn writs and 2 legendarys, and tons of master wood writs, others i can do them, but take awhile until researches get completed. i didnt delete any and could sell or trade at bargan deal.
will plan to sell at Davon's Watch in few days, if you not able to reach DW, then let me know and could meet at Belkarth. i dont like thieves who trick pull on trades.

supaskrub · July 2017

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

There are some terrible writs. For example, the alchemy writ for 10 vouchers that requires 2 perfect roe. On console and for the prices PR sells for, simply better to sell those roe. The 13 voucher writ that require a tri rune and a kuta. Mastic is also becoming a pain to get. So much so, it sells for around 1k per mat on PS4. Unless the writs are for personal use, they're becoming a complete waste of time.

For the above reasons i no longer buy writs simply because buying the writ combined with the cost of mats, it almost always results in a loss. Other than training dummies and animus stones next to nothing sells and even the former two items don't really shift that quickly any more.

This guy gets it and quite rightly sums it up as for what it is in its present state, many writs are not worth the items it takes to craft them (the perfect roe one is classic, i've had that one myself and know of several others who have had it also and its provisioning by the way

..). Sure you can sell these kind of things on in the hope that someone dillusioned comes across and buys them but thats like selling a broken down ford and making out its a rolls royce straight from the factory and not something i feel comfortable or pleased with myself for doing.

Stopnaggin · July 2017

I haven't had favor with rng, my drop is quite low especially on my master crafter. The writ system in theory is fine. It actuality it's lacking.

I don't mind the stations being where they are, if you need to have names put on them as far as location that's not a problem the game has, that's on you. Every base game station is in 3 different locations, so adding names of locations would be clutter.

The amount of materials is fine as well, they needed a reason for people to use those mats. And yes some are not worth the mats, I get that, and they should indeed be looked into. Some of the recipes, as stated by another poster, indeed take a lower quality water to produce, very counter intuitive imho.

The research time have been this way for along time. They have added research scrolls, at a hefty cost. I think this was a comprimise, some people were dead set against lowering the times on research, while others wanted them lowered. I did mine the old fashion way so really doesn't affect me. If you have writs you can't complete either bank or sell them.

They definitely need to add more items to the furnished and put the purple recipes back to 10 vouchers. This wasn't thought out very well if we are telling the truth here.

And those who have had very good rng, you know who you are, things on xbox still sell fairly well. Attunable stations, animus stones and target skeletons still sell pretty good. So there are things that you can make some gold on, even if you have all the recipes.

Bottom line is they need to rework the system in some key areas. But overall concept is fine. Need more rewards for those with good rng and less rng for those without luck.

RABIDxWOLVERINE · July 2017

While you make some valid points I believe your argument about confusing new players is inaccurate at best. new players aren't Master crafters and therefore aren't really doing Master writs. It takes awhile to build up knowledge and trait research but we all had to do it. Sorry you are a year behind but that's what happens when you start a year after someone, you start a year behind. If you expect to pick up a game and on day one be on the same level, Crafting wise of course, as someone whose on day 798, you are expecting something you have put no time into to be given to you. that's wrong and more unfair than you being a year behind.

reiverx · July 2017

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

The master writ system seems okay to me, it's a long term thing not a "grind it out over a weekend" kind of system. I only have one crafter with any real motif knowledge, and she's only got about 1/2 of the motifs learned, and I've gotten:
Full ebony motif
All basic crafting stations+dye station
30ish purple furnishing plans
Target skeleton

...and I have 200-300 writs worth of vouchers that I haven't finished yet. But maybe I have just fallen into favor with RNJesus.

Just wish they'd revert the price bump on Hlallu purple furnishing documents, 10 vouchers was a lot more palatable.

I haven't bought any furnishing documents this update because of the price jump. It was way too much and totally unnecessary.

Yeah, it's just a virtual item but the feeling of getting ripped off is quite real. No thanks.

I think a lot of people feel the same way judging by the sharp decline in purple furnishing recipes for sale in the guild traders. The PS4 traders are flooded with overpriced dwarven braziers.

KingMagaw · July 2017

PC EU - Completing a lot of writs to get the vouchers, to buy something to sell for gold will actually leave you minus gold on almost all items now.

Best to sell the writs if you can, the ones that cost gold to make, or simply delete them. I just completed maybe 40 out of ~200 legendary writs i have been saving and its a massive time sink that gives little to no benefit. Spend time and gold to make something, get vouchers, get a blueprint, then spend more time and gold and materials making said item, then spend more time and gold in getting a house to place it in.

2 out of 3 mansions are full. ~11 characters are basically full and bank is a work through and 1 guild bank i have is 300/500 also.

Writs are dying because housing is too expensive for most RP'ers.
Little people i know who PvP flat out dont invest any time in housing.
Pve players i know are 50/50 but cant afford to be streamlining characters and housing together.
Z0$ are dragging there feet in updating the Trader with new items as it would detract sales from the Clown Store.

And learning the recipes holds little achievements and doesn't benefit the character at all.

kargen27 · July 2017

I sell all the master writs I either do not want to do or can not do. I recently sold several six and seven voucher writs. They all sold within two days of my placing them in the store. Right now I price them 500 below 1000 gold per voucher. So for example a six voucher writ I sell for 5500 gold. I then used the gold to buy two writs that totaled 117 vouchers and spent well below 1000 gold per voucher. I use them to buy the purple furniture recipes. The ones I already know I sell so I usually come out way ahead.

Bouldercleave · July 2017

I did just enough writs to get all the crafting tables and the ebony motif. Now I just sell them off as there is really nothing else for me to buy with vouchers

That being said, I'm full 9 trait in everything and know MOST of the motifs and I have seen only ONE writ for over 6-7 vouchers. The drop rate of the good vouchers is way too low in my opinion and many of them have a very poor ROI.

idk · July 2017

Dracofyre wrote: »

oh, i forgot, some required some lower level water when we are unable to gather or harvest, and that is another insult for those unworkable writs.

I do writs on 6 different characters and have never gotten a master writ requiring lower level matts. Maybe it happens when doing them in a crafter that's doing lower level writs but they would be able to harvest the correct matts anyhow.