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How rubbish do you think the warden healer is, compared to templar?
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BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Level 3 Warden Healer is less effective then Templar Healerpaulsimonps wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »TheNuminous1 wrote: »I dont get the whole ideal that a warden can't heal someone in an ohsht situation. The ulti is a super cheap burst. Has a burst that heals way more people then bol and a burst aoe as well as the restostaff with combat prayer and if needed healing ward.
So please, tell me where the lack of ohsht is.
The amount you can spam burst out with BoL is unparalleled in the game. Yes Warden can, heal up and keep a group going quite well, that is just one glaring difference in some situations.
As for the ultimate, more are going to run Northern Storm for 8% additional magicka and rotate Aggressive Warhorn for the actual consuption.
But the Wardens got Strong HoTs, more healers need to remember that the more HoTs you use the less burst you need, making it easier to heal. Don't Spam Healing Springs for example, its a HoT for a spam, sure its a short HoT but you can do other abilities during that short time frame. You should not only be spamming burst heal abilities all the time.
Oh I completely agree, I heal through most things without ever reaching for BoL. Usually only need it when something goes sideways. Was just saying that in my opinion is the largest difference between the classes and the only real advantage a Templar has over a Warden.
Well Templars have Radiant Aura, that helps a lot with giving out Minor Magickasteal a lot easier, but Warden has access to Minor Intellect in their AoE Burst heal, so they both have something there. And while a lot of people saw the Major Mending changed to Minor Mending as only a negative(it still mostly is), remember that there is only one other way to get Minor Mending and with Resto heavy attacks, that still heal btw, the templars are really the only class that can get both, unless you wear the Healers Habit set, but most won't do that. Though of course Wardens get their own share of Healing Done with their Passives, so if you spec it right it can be really good, and they will most likely have a much higher up time on Major Mending than Templars. They all have something special.
I use Elemental Drain on both for Minor Magickasteal. So yeah the Minor Mending is the only other one. But I feel like with sustain issues, having a Warden in some groups can be a better call. It depends on the group builds in play. Really the classes are close, but different.
I also feel like a lot of the no Warden love comes out of PUGs and those bad stories will always stand out more that good ones. Competent healers and tanks go largely unnoticed, but bad ones stick out like a swore thumb.2 -
subtlezeroub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar HealerYou guys do realize that a Warden has almost constant uptime on his ult, right ? That ult heal is crazy. I can use it then 5 seconds later, use it again. It's actually quite picturesque with the way a warden can literally grow and maintain a forest once the gears get going. Lol.
So this whole "no burst" thing is a tad ridiculous. Wardens, for one, technically have a conal on demand heal and really, with the nature of their spells, they don't really need one.Edited by subtlezeroub17_ESO on July 2, 2017 4:36PM2 -
Warden healers can probably generate equal levels of HPS in my estimation but it's all the other stuff like removing harmful effects, channeled focus, etc that makes me think Templars still have the edge0 -
O_LYKOS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar HealerI do my pledges on both healers and the only thing really I miss on warden is BoL. But other than that he's just as good imo. I don't have any issues.PC NA - GreggsSausageRoll0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar HealerVipstaakki wrote: »Templars lost their throne when major mending was taken away from them.
Templars very much still have their throne, though slightly lowered, and the opinions @paulsimonps has provided have been tested in the most challenging PvE content and are solid. A Templar and Warden paired for trials has seemed BiS.
The warden brings to the table buffs that no other class can provide with ease.
It is easily
1. Templar
2. Warden
3. the other three classes.
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar Healer1 Warden/1 Templar is the best combination imo for Vet trial groups.
Wardens are capable of some great utility that sets them apart as well. You can pull off some really great strats only possible with skills from the Warden's toolkit.
PvE DPS is where a Warden ever falls short (mainly referring to Magicka Warden DPS).Edited by Vaoh on July 2, 2017 6:06PM1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Veteran wayrest sewers II. I'm a stam warden 2H DPS.
Our healer goes AFK after first boss (RL issues, baby). When the replacement comes, it turns out he queued as a healer and as a tank, claims he is a tank, and it turns out he is neither (takes damage like hes naked).
I end up healing that dungeon run with my shroom field. Hardmode final boss. No deaths.
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✭Integral1900 wrote: »Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!
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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that
Don't stand in red.
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Level 1 Warden Healer is better then Templar HealerIn PvE one of each is good. In a PvP group, I don't think a Templar healer is even needed.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)0 -
Integral1900✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Level 4 Warden Healer is not a effective healer, compared to Templar HealerShad0wfire99 wrote: »Integral1900 wrote: »Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!
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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that
Don't stand in red.
I wasn't in the red, not all damage is red aoe you know... and having a warden have a little chat with himself for a while before doing anything is bloody irritating
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on July 2, 2017 11:41PM0 -
akl77✭✭✭✭✭
✭Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar HealerThey aren't so bad, they heals all instead of just two like breath of life, also the regen is much better than Templar.
The only downside is the 20m heal compared to 28m breath of life, also the purge is not accessible until you PVP.Pc na0 -
Chew_Magna✭✭✭Level 1 Warden Healer is better then Templar HealerIntegral1900 wrote: »Played a lot of dungeons since the morrowind, when I see a warden my heart sinks. I like playing them but the dps hits like a week old salad, the heals feel like your waiting for a council committee and the tank sucks...
In a group I still want a Templar healer for massive burst heals and dk tank because they make me feel safe, I can provide all the dps needed for a vet dungeon, the other dps can eat salmon butties for all I care, but wardens just seem to make everything harder.
I wish it wasn't true, I wish it didn't have to be me that saves them from being kicked out of the group by voteing no when other players try to give them the boot the moment it's revealed what class they are but that's the way it is. And it's a dam shame
You haven't played with a semi-competent warden healer then. Or tank.
I used to main a templar healer for vet trials but now I much prefer my wardens (stam and mag healers). I like that it's more interactive instead of just sitting back smashing 3 "I win" buttons. If they give us a way to make stam healing trial viable I'll be in ESO heaven.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Level 2 Warden Healer is as good as Templar HealerIntegral1900 wrote: »Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Integral1900 wrote: »Quick, I'm about to die!!!!! I need a heal now!!!!!!
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Sure thing, just give me a few seconds..... almost there..... oh your dead..... sorry about that
Don't stand in red.
I wasn't in the red, not all damage is red aoe you know... and having a warden have a little chat with himself for a while before doing anything is bloody irritating
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I have healed all the vet dungeons and most of the time merely regen and repent (before it was nerfed) while doing DPS most of the time.0
