Warden Level 50 - Disapointed - Average at All

Ilithyania · July 2017

The Warden class is new, ill give it some time. Adjustments will come. I hope.

Lirkin · July 2017

Very hard to kill in PVP and I have a hard time killing them. They seem to do good damage in PVP as well. This is the below 50 PVP I am talking about.

Wolfshead · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I have to say that Warden is really fun class to play as someone say the are jack of all trades you can heal little, tank little and DPS little the are suppose to be support class and if anyone has gone to make this class think that got to be like DK, Templar, Sorcerer or even a nightblade then that person to really mistaking.

I personally love that we have got hybrid class and honest love play my Warden for at the end of day if should be fun playing the classes

There is a damage dealer, tank and healer role. I don't see any *** utility role anywhere.

Also, for all you numbskulls, I hope you'll get kicked from party after queuing as damage dealer warden even before the run starts. And yeah, this is already happening to people.

The only people who think warden is fine are:

- PvPers
- Casuals
- Support players

Anyone who has played the class and runs it through an actual DPS test will tell you it's severely underpowered (like not even in the same stratosphere as the other classes).

wooow you 2 guys are really funny just for people like to play Warden and think the are fun to play those people are stupid according to you 2 just wooow for your info I like class as alt class nothing else I would never use them in do a dungeon run or even raid in eso. You 2 should stop think that people answer in post is 1st time or never play any other classes in this game the are them of us that have something call alt and to some those player never put there Warden in dungeon or raid as long as the paly this game.

It just show how ignorance you 2 really are you and you can call me what every you want but funny thing is you know nothing about me and how I even play this game but it is atlest fun to see how some people think the best of best and how think the know everything about this game and that there way is right way to play a game im sssooo glad to see you people are still around in game world.

Anhedonie · July 2017

Wolfshead wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I have to say that Warden is really fun class to play as someone say the are jack of all trades you can heal little, tank little and DPS little the are suppose to be support class and if anyone has gone to make this class think that got to be like DK, Templar, Sorcerer or even a nightblade then that person to really mistaking.

I personally love that we have got hybrid class and honest love play my Warden for at the end of day if should be fun playing the classes

There is a damage dealer, tank and healer role. I don't see any *** utility role anywhere.

Also, for all you numbskulls, I hope you'll get kicked from party after queuing as damage dealer warden even before the run starts. And yeah, this is already happening to people.

The only people who think warden is fine are:

- PvPers
- Casuals
- Support players

Anyone who has played the class and runs it through an actual DPS test will tell you it's severely underpowered (like not even in the same stratosphere as the other classes).

wooow you 2 guys are really funny just for people like to play Warden and think the are fun to play those people are stupid according to you 2 just wooow for your info I like class as alt class nothing else I would never use them in do a dungeon run or even raid in eso. You 2 should stop think that people answer in post is 1st time or never play any other classes in this game the are them of us that have something call alt and to some those player never put there Warden in dungeon or raid as long as the paly this game.

It just show how ignorance you 2 really are you and you can call me what every you want but funny thing is you know nothing about me and how I even play this game but it is atlest fun to see how some people think the best of best and how think the know everything about this game and that there way is right way to play a game im sssooo glad to see you people are still around in game world.

The thing is warden doesn't reach minimum dps for competitive pve.
I find warden fun, but worthless for pve. And it's kinda bad for a game that says everybody can do every role.
Also, you're the one stupid here. Learn to read.

Don't bother answering me. I don't want to catch stupidity by talking to you, thanks.

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

Wolfshead wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I have to say that Warden is really fun class to play as someone say the are jack of all trades you can heal little, tank little and DPS little the are suppose to be support class and if anyone has gone to make this class think that got to be like DK, Templar, Sorcerer or even a nightblade then that person to really mistaking.

I personally love that we have got hybrid class and honest love play my Warden for at the end of day if should be fun playing the classes

There is a damage dealer, tank and healer role. I don't see any *** utility role anywhere.

Also, for all you numbskulls, I hope you'll get kicked from party after queuing as damage dealer warden even before the run starts. And yeah, this is already happening to people.

The only people who think warden is fine are:

- PvPers
- Casuals
- Support players

Anyone who has played the class and runs it through an actual DPS test will tell you it's severely underpowered (like not even in the same stratosphere as the other classes).

wooow you 2 guys are really funny just for people like to play Warden and think the are fun to play those people are stupid according to you 2 just wooow for your info I like class as alt class nothing else I would never use them in do a dungeon run or even raid in eso. You 2 should stop think that people answer in post is 1st time or never play any other classes in this game the are them of us that have something call alt and to some those player never put there Warden in dungeon or raid as long as the paly this game.

It just show how ignorance you 2 really are you and you can call me what every you want but funny thing is you know nothing about me and how I even play this game but it is atlest fun to see how some people think the best of best and how think the know everything about this game and that there way is right way to play a game im sssooo glad to see you people are still around in game world.

Where did I call you stupid?

Casual players don't care about min-maxing. They aren't stupid, it just isn't a priority for them. PvPers don't care about PvE DPS, they just care about burst damage since sustained damage is meaningless in PvP. And support players don't care about DPS because it doesn't concern them.

Those of us complaining want magicka warden to be viable in an endgame DPS role, like the other 4 classes are. Anyone who has done a DPS test with a magicka warden will know that this isn't the case right now.

Curragraigue · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I have to say that Warden is really fun class to play as someone say the are jack of all trades you can heal little, tank little and DPS little the are suppose to be support class and if anyone has gone to make this class think that got to be like DK, Templar, Sorcerer or even a nightblade then that person to really mistaking.

I personally love that we have got hybrid class and honest love play my Warden for at the end of day if should be fun playing the classes

There is a damage dealer, tank and healer role. I don't see any *** utility role anywhere.

Also, for all you numbskulls, I hope you'll get kicked from party after queuing as damage dealer warden even before the run starts. And yeah, this is already happening to people.

The only people who think warden is fine are:

- PvPers
- Casuals
- Support players

Anyone who has played the class and runs it through an actual DPS test will tell you it's severely underpowered (like not even in the same stratosphere as the other classes).

wooow you 2 guys are really funny just for people like to play Warden and think the are fun to play those people are stupid according to you 2 just wooow for your info I like class as alt class nothing else I would never use them in do a dungeon run or even raid in eso. You 2 should stop think that people answer in post is 1st time or never play any other classes in this game the are them of us that have something call alt and to some those player never put there Warden in dungeon or raid as long as the paly this game.

It just show how ignorance you 2 really are you and you can call me what every you want but funny thing is you know nothing about me and how I even play this game but it is atlest fun to see how some people think the best of best and how think the know everything about this game and that there way is right way to play a game im sssooo glad to see you people are still around in game world.

Where did I call you stupid?

Casual players don't care about min-maxing. They aren't stupid, it just isn't a priority for them. PvPers don't care about PvE DPS, they just care about burst damage since sustained damage is meaningless in PvP. And support players don't care about DPS because it doesn't concern them.

Those of us complaining want magicka warden to be viable in an endgame DPS role, like the other 4 classes are. Anyone who has done a DPS test with a magicka warden will know that this isn't the case right now.

It is actually support utility that makes it good in PvP not burst damage.

1) AoE defile with a skill that also gives a heal to allies
2) free cleanse with magicka regen and damage boost
3) expedition, Stam regen and damage boost in one skill
4) 3 projectile block plus boost to ult regen
5) dirt cheap heal AoE ult
6) heals from light attacks
7) AoE damage and health boost in one skill
8) AoE cc and damage

It is like Wrobel asked Brian what he would like in a new class. I agree damage is lacking because the elemental damage is frost which has always been about utility and the pets tree has been lacklustre for damage. New DLC dungeons coming I wonder what sets will be in there?

MLGProPlayer · July 2017

Curragraigue wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I have to say that Warden is really fun class to play as someone say the are jack of all trades you can heal little, tank little and DPS little the are suppose to be support class and if anyone has gone to make this class think that got to be like DK, Templar, Sorcerer or even a nightblade then that person to really mistaking.

I personally love that we have got hybrid class and honest love play my Warden for at the end of day if should be fun playing the classes

There is a damage dealer, tank and healer role. I don't see any *** utility role anywhere.

Also, for all you numbskulls, I hope you'll get kicked from party after queuing as damage dealer warden even before the run starts. And yeah, this is already happening to people.

The only people who think warden is fine are:

- PvPers
- Casuals
- Support players

Anyone who has played the class and runs it through an actual DPS test will tell you it's severely underpowered (like not even in the same stratosphere as the other classes).

wooow you 2 guys are really funny just for people like to play Warden and think the are fun to play those people are stupid according to you 2 just wooow for your info I like class as alt class nothing else I would never use them in do a dungeon run or even raid in eso. You 2 should stop think that people answer in post is 1st time or never play any other classes in this game the are them of us that have something call alt and to some those player never put there Warden in dungeon or raid as long as the paly this game.

It just show how ignorance you 2 really are you and you can call me what every you want but funny thing is you know nothing about me and how I even play this game but it is atlest fun to see how some people think the best of best and how think the know everything about this game and that there way is right way to play a game im sssooo glad to see you people are still around in game world.

Where did I call you stupid?

Casual players don't care about min-maxing. They aren't stupid, it just isn't a priority for them. PvPers don't care about PvE DPS, they just care about burst damage since sustained damage is meaningless in PvP. And support players don't care about DPS because it doesn't concern them.

Those of us complaining want magicka warden to be viable in an endgame DPS role, like the other 4 classes are. Anyone who has done a DPS test with a magicka warden will know that this isn't the case right now.

It is actually support utility that makes it good in PvP not burst damage.

1) AoE defile with a skill that also gives a heal to allies
2) free cleanse with magicka regen and damage boost
3) expedition, Stam regen and damage boost in one skill
4) 3 projectile block plus boost to ult regen
5) dirt cheap heal AoE ult
6) heals from light attacks
7) AoE damage and health boost in one skill
8) AoE cc and damage

It is like Wrobel asked Brian what he would like in a new class. I agree damage is lacking because the elemental damage is frost which has always been about utility and the pets tree has been lacklustre for damage. New DLC dungeons coming I wonder what sets will be in there?

Warden only has one frost damage ability (outside of the ult). It also happens to be bugged (it uses weapon crit instead of spell crit, which has been reported since the beta and still isn't fixed). It's the animal companion tree that needs a huge buff. A new set won't save the class.

Mysteri0n · July 2017

My warden i use strictly solo in pve and pvp, and if you dont mind not getting high scores in vma a warden can do that easily due to good survivability, All tho mine is a argonian and they are the master race

subtlezeroub17_ESO · July 2017

I think instead of simply buffing numbers, ZoS should play up to our "group centric" theme that they promised and give us 2 or 3 buffs that no other class can get or reliably get.

For example, Lotus blossom could also give minor heroism to allies healed with heavy attacks every X seconds. The stamina morph increases damage of allies healed by heavy attacks by X%

The stamina bear could automatically release a roar every X seconds that gives minor force to all affected alliesin Radius. While the magicka bear gives major force to the caster every X seconds.

Give the Animal companions tree its own unique buff like, every time an enemy is damaged by an animal companion ability, it takes an increased damage by all sources from the caster and allies by x/y/z% (something like 2/4/6%)

Falcons swiftness could be either a group buff or stronger self buff. For example, instead of just minor berserk , how about increasing movement speed by an additional 10-20% while also granting major endurance and intelligence and minor berserk. Also increasing the duration to 20 or 30 seconds. While the other morph could grant the 30% ms, Major endurance and major intelligence to all allies in 28 meters for 10 seconds.

Stuff like that. Don't fall into the trap of just " buffing numbers" ZoS. This class could be your own way of truly turning a new leaf.

I feel like that should be what the Warden is all about Their dps should be the lowest while also bringing so much valuable utility that groups would be stupid not to bring at least one warden.

I've said it so much before, if any one has played FFXIV , there was plenty of uproar over the Astrologian class until SE realized that perhaps simply just buffing numbers isn't the way to go. They made them valuable by playing up their strengths by making them THE BEST group support class in the game. They provide buffs that make other healers envy them. By the end of the day, they might not be the best at solo healing raids, but everyone still wants one on their team. Why ? Because they make groups so much more effective.

kromegas · July 2017

Smmokkee wrote: »

kromegas wrote: »

Smmokkee wrote: »

kromegas wrote: »

For PVP I now run a magicka Warden and it makes me feel godly at times. I have 49k magicka, 21k health and 10k stam with 2650 spell power when buffed. I am running 5 Vicious Death, 5 Necropotence and 1 piece of Molag Kena with a destruction and resto staff. Before I run in, I pop bird of prey 10% bonus damage, arctic blast (10% damage redux) and my Betty netch. I proc deep fissure, use SCR and hit with a force pulse (when unmitigated this combines for 45k in damage) this leads to many 1 hits. For mobs, I use elemental rage ultimate so I can stand back and weave in a force pulse and SCR. This procs visous death witch takes out a ton of people. I could dual wield, which I have two VD swords, however you lose the ability to weave in light and heavy attacks to build ultimate from a range- and the destruction ultimate is a must with this build.
Bottom line is while this build may not be for everyone, it has made this class fun to play and I feel is very viable. I use magelight on both bars, with harness on front and healing ward on back.

Front bar:
Force pulse
SCR
Deep fissur
Inner Light (had fun collecting all the lore books again for the 7% bonus)
Harness Magicka

Back Bar(buffs)
Betty netch
Bird of prey
Artic Blast
Inner light
Healing ward

Feel free to provide feedback

This guy clearly needs a buff.

Please elietst, enlighten me with your thorough and comprehensive skill set. In a previous post you complain about perceived "elietists," and then you have the balls to bash me. At least I am here sharing ideas instead of being a stuck up four year old hiding behind a computer screen.

I normally run a sorc, two manned numerous vet dungeons, along with being top 5 in pvp on Xbox NA. Trying to come up with something viable with the warden, and it has worked well for me. Thanks for all of your "helpful" input.

Lol you misinterpreted what I was trying to say..

I was using sarcasm to show how ridiculous it was for people to be asking for buffs with the build you listed because it sounds good.

My apologies then, sorry I took you the wrong way. Thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding.

-Also, I did make an error, the spell power is at 2950, not 2650.

I am not normally a huge fan of vicious death, however with all of the zergs running around lately it almost seems like a necessity..

Tonnopesce · July 2017

Curragraigue · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Curragraigue wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

I have to say that Warden is really fun class to play as someone say the are jack of all trades you can heal little, tank little and DPS little the are suppose to be support class and if anyone has gone to make this class think that got to be like DK, Templar, Sorcerer or even a nightblade then that person to really mistaking.

I personally love that we have got hybrid class and honest love play my Warden for at the end of day if should be fun playing the classes

There is a damage dealer, tank and healer role. I don't see any *** utility role anywhere.

Also, for all you numbskulls, I hope you'll get kicked from party after queuing as damage dealer warden even before the run starts. And yeah, this is already happening to people.

The only people who think warden is fine are:

- PvPers
- Casuals
- Support players

Anyone who has played the class and runs it through an actual DPS test will tell you it's severely underpowered (like not even in the same stratosphere as the other classes).

wooow you 2 guys are really funny just for people like to play Warden and think the are fun to play those people are stupid according to you 2 just wooow for your info I like class as alt class nothing else I would never use them in do a dungeon run or even raid in eso. You 2 should stop think that people answer in post is 1st time or never play any other classes in this game the are them of us that have something call alt and to some those player never put there Warden in dungeon or raid as long as the paly this game.

It just show how ignorance you 2 really are you and you can call me what every you want but funny thing is you know nothing about me and how I even play this game but it is atlest fun to see how some people think the best of best and how think the know everything about this game and that there way is right way to play a game im sssooo glad to see you people are still around in game world.

Where did I call you stupid?

Casual players don't care about min-maxing. They aren't stupid, it just isn't a priority for them. PvPers don't care about PvE DPS, they just care about burst damage since sustained damage is meaningless in PvP. And support players don't care about DPS because it doesn't concern them.

Those of us complaining want magicka warden to be viable in an endgame DPS role, like the other 4 classes are. Anyone who has done a DPS test with a magicka warden will know that this isn't the case right now.

It is actually support utility that makes it good in PvP not burst damage.

1) AoE defile with a skill that also gives a heal to allies
2) free cleanse with magicka regen and damage boost
3) expedition, Stam regen and damage boost in one skill
4) 3 projectile block plus boost to ult regen
5) dirt cheap heal AoE ult
6) heals from light attacks
7) AoE damage and health boost in one skill
8) AoE cc and damage

It is like Wrobel asked Brian what he would like in a new class. I agree damage is lacking because the elemental damage is frost which has always been about utility and the pets tree has been lacklustre for damage. New DLC dungeons coming I wonder what sets will be in there?

Warden only has one frost damage ability (outside of the ult). It also happens to be bugged (it uses weapon crit instead of spell crit, which has been reported since the beta and still isn't fixed). It's the animal companion tree that needs a huge buff. A new set won't save the class.

Actually two skills do frost damage Gripping Shards and Artic Blast both do frost damage in addition to the ult that does frost damage. Both however are better for the cc and health boost they provide than the damage hence my comment.

SanTii.92 · July 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

malchior wrote: »

This is dreadful to hear especially since other classes were 'nerfed', I mean adjusted, to allow the Warden to shine. Even adjusted down, the Templar and Sorcerer are still powerful - says a lot.

Saying the other classes were adjusted to allow warden to shine is a massive assumption on your part - this is what people thought was happening. It hasn't happened. Warden is kind of mediocre. Sorry to spoil the illusion that nerfs were to promote some uber "P2W" class, but that hasn't happened, people will have to find something else to complain about.

All that complaining that the Warden was going to be P2W has turned into complaints that it isn't P2W. This place is unbelievable sometimes...

We just want a useful PVE class. Warden is the worst class in the game right now.

The thing is if the Warden becomes the best at anything, Tank, heal, or, DPS people will cry P2W. They are what they were said to be. They are a jack of all trades class. This makes them decent at PvP where you need to be able to do a lot of different things, but trash at PvE where you need to min/max.

It doesn't need to become the best at anything. Just make it viable at everything.

Right now, it's simply not a viable DPS, not even close. ~35k DPS with bear and ~30k with destro ult is abysmal when every other class can parse around 40k.

Mdk and templar do not parse 40k self buffed. Would even be surprised if they do 35. And mnbs only with very specific builds that aren't actually used on trials.

Mwardens are indeed weaker than the rest but not as much as you try to put them.

Now stam ones are really strong.

Smasherx74 · July 2017

Artemiisia wrote: »

no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair

It's still P2W, they'll buff it just wait. They heard all our arguments and nerfed trhem a bit too much.

SanTii.92 · July 2017

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair

It's still P2W, they'll buff it just wait. They heard all our arguments and nerfed trhem a bit too much.

They never nerfed them on pts. But you are right, there will be a time they will be the strongest, as all classes eventually so. Until they don't anymore. Such is the nature of game balance.

RouDeR · July 2017

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair

It's still P2W, they'll buff it just wait. They heard all our arguments and nerfed trhem a bit too much.

Actualy they r gonna nerf it , the Warden is overperforming big time in PVP(no cp) if u build it right.
You dont believe ? I can upload and share video from my personal library . This thing needs a nerf in terms of sustain and dps output .

SanTii.92 · July 2017

RouDeR wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair

It's still P2W, they'll buff it just wait. They heard all our arguments and nerfed trhem a bit too much.

Actualy they r gonna nerf it , the Warden is overperforming big time in PVP(no cp) if u build it right.
You dont believe ? I can upload and share video from my personal library . This thing needs a nerf in terms of sustain and dps output .

And what would a video prove? You can stomp noobs on any class.

Nemesis7884 · July 2017

Rackiera wrote: »

Got to 50, got my gear, not best in slot but ok, Necro / War Maiden, all Yellow, stats look ok.

BUT, my Templar has better healing utility than the Warden, My Sorc has Better DPS.

Warden seems average at both, so why would anyone in a raid or even a Vet Dungeon choose a Warden.

It's fun to play but does not compete with the others.

Is it me, 'LTP the class' or is anyone else feeling the same ?

its a bit of a weird statement tbh

lets say your templar is 10 at healing and 5 at dps and your sorc is 10 at dps and 5 at healing, wouldn't it make perfect sense that the warden would be 7.5 at dps and healing then?

O_LYKOS · July 2017

I play my warden healer, because it's fun, not because I think it's the best. My Templar is a better healer imo, doesn't mean I have to play him. I play to have fun and enjoy the game and I'm enjoying playing my Warden healer.

RouDeR · July 2017

SanTii.92 wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

no no nooooooo no noo no, everyone said warden was p2w, dont let people know whats really going on, its not fair

It's still P2W, they'll buff it just wait. They heard all our arguments and nerfed trhem a bit too much.

Actualy they r gonna nerf it , the Warden is overperforming big time in PVP(no cp) if u build it right.
You dont believe ? I can upload and share video from my personal library . This thing needs a nerf in terms of sustain and dps output .

And what would a video prove? You can stomp noobs on any class.

The thing is that i slain them when i have 60k health , i make 20/0/25 KDA in BGs like its just regular monday .

craftycarper73 · July 2017

malchior wrote: »

This is dreadful to hear especially since other classes were 'nerfed', I mean adjusted, to allow the Warden to shine. Even adjusted down, the Templar and Sorcerer are still powerful - says a lot.

sorcs were'nt nerfed, sorry adjusted, sorry crapped on from a great height like the other classes were to be fair.

i main a magdk, and the changes were brutal to that class, but i make it work as best i can.