"I heal, I don't do mechanics"

Kurkikohtaus · July 2017

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

Nifty2g · July 2017

Tank doesn't have to do anything at all at that point, may as well help out so healer can heal, he isn't wrong in the scenario.

But in future you gotta do mechanics once you reach end game, so gotta start some where.

Kurkikohtaus · July 2017

In the specific situation, tank would have had to run from the central altar through several big red circles. Healer was standing next to the steps of the left altar, no red circles barring the way. Only danger at that point was that the lifted DD would die, which the healer effectively allowed.

NeillMcAttack · July 2017

#Puglife

Qbiken · July 2017

Inb4 the votekick xD

LegendaryMage · July 2017

Still better than 'I don't heal, I just do mechanics'.

Tryxus · July 2017

In that fight, the healer could also focus on keeping the DD alive while the tank deactivates the altars. Since DDs are a bit more fragile and the boss remains stationary while lifting someone up.

However, even the healer needs to learn and do mechanics. So his statement is completely false. Besides, if he stood right next to the altar, then it would indeed have been better if he deactivated it

UrbanMonk · July 2017

I don't think your calling out the Healer here will be answered, but apart from that the fact remains that tank and healer both did not do mechanics, and healer clearly said that he won't do it.

I'm with you on this as it'd make me furious as well if I was in that situation. Some people just don't want to learn or are simply ***.

#Puglife

AzraelKrieg · July 2017

Tank too far from altar would have risked their own death with AoE on the ground. Healer should have activated the altar on the side they were on since they were already there. Crappy healer will need to learn mechanics if they have any hope of getting past Planar Inhibitor in vWGT

Turelus · July 2017

I think a lot of people go into PUGs expecting everyone to know their tactics but never speaking of them until after an issue comes up.

The healer was being stubborn a stupid, but posting on the forums about it also kind of makes you look bad to a point. Better to just let bad PUGs happen and move on.

phileunderx2 · July 2017

That is not much of a mechanic. Just click the thing. Lol

Kneighbors · July 2017

You must realize when playing randoms that sometimes you will see a guy standing in one place and heavy attacking with the bow and he won't be able to move and shoot together simply because he's new to gaming.

No need to get shocked every time you see something like that. This is pretty normal. Try to explain in a gentle manner.

WalksonGraves · July 2017

phileunderx2 wrote: »

That is not much of a mechanic. Just click the thing. Lol

Typical elitist supergamer with their impossibly complicated strategies

Shanjijri · July 2017

Ruins of Mazzatun. "I don't go to the blue bubble when I have the red circle around me, I heal."
White Gold Tower. "I don't close portals, I heal."

AhPook_Is_Here · July 2017

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

Honestly, anyone can do it, dd, tank, healer, anyone but the guy who is CC'd, obv! Since healing still works, and during that phase tanking is unnecessary since the boss is also CC'd, and DD is unnecessary since the boss is IMMUNE to damage, the only person who has a functioning role at that point is the HEALER, who can still heal people on the damage circles and the person who is CC'd. Having said that even the healer can click an alter while still healing. Still the tank or a DD are best suited.

The guy likely rage quit because any group that dies on that boss is likely really bad and in for a hard run.

Trashkan · July 2017

I'm not a mechanic or a healer:-(

Tryxus · July 2017

Trashkan wrote: »

I'm not a mechanic or a healer:-(

I'm an engineer!

Ep1kMalware · July 2017

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

Unless you're in a raiding guild where everyone takes their role seriously enough to get good at it, you'll likely find the healer ti be the most useless person in the group.

DeHei · July 2017

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

He dont will answer you... he surely not able to read and writing then

Prepared for multitasking, when you play TESO

Gargath · July 2017

Best way is ask everyone before each boss if they know what to do, if they know boss mechanics. Quick runs in random groups are the worst. Then you will see what you can expect. In case you see someone might not understand their role, ask for 2 minutes time and explain as fast as possible what must be done.
Better than asking the healer in chat what he was doing after a fight, is to ask him before or during the fight to activate the altar. If he refuses or just won't do it by purpose - vote kick for him and put to ignore list.

The_Lex · July 2017

Let's face it, if any group member feels like mechanics are not his/her job, then I seriously doubt that they spend time on the forums (here or otherwise).

STEVIL · July 2017

"Damnit it jim, i am a doctor, not a mechanic."

Xundiin · July 2017

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

Honestly, anyone can do it, dd, tank, healer, anyone but the guy who is CC'd, obv! Since healing still works, and during that phase tanking is unnecessary since the boss is also CC'd, and DD is unnecessary since the boss is IMMUNE to damage, the only person who has a functioning role at that point is the HEALER, who can still heal people on the damage circles and the person who is CC'd. Having said that even the healer can click an alter while still healing. Still the tank or a DD are best suited.

The guy likely rage quit because any group that dies on that boss is likely really bad and in for a hard run.

Reread what he wrote, they didn't wipe. It's a he got called out on being lazy and quit because he didn't feel like doing anything more than potato.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2017

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Kurkikohtaus wrote: »

I would like to challenge the healer who typed this in group chat to stand up and debate with me.

The Situation

Time: approx 9am, Saturday July 1st 2017 (UTC)
Place: Veteran Wayrest II, not a pledge (random group finder)
Boss: Malubeth the Scourger, the one that lifts a group member and the 2 side altars must be deactivated

What went down

Malubeth lifts a DD. I (also DD) am on the right side of the room so I run up the steps to the right altar. The tank continues to tank on the central altar, the healer (cp 300+ if I recall) is to the left but does not deactivate the altar and the lifted DD dies. I ress the DD and the fight continues. Later, the same DD is lifted, same scenario plays out. I deactivate the right altar, the healer does nothing, lifted DD dies, I ress and we finish the fight without wiping. After the fight, I ask the healer in chat what he was doing, that he was standing right next to the altar but didn't do anything. To which he responded:

I heal, I don't do mechanics. I was too amazed to take a screenshot, alas. I typed something to the order of "are you serious?" At which point he ragequit (don't know why, as we didn't wipe), and sent me a nasty PM about my lack of intellect, literally comparing it to a baboon's posterior.

If you, dear healer, are on the forums, you will certainly recognize the situation by the thread title, please feel free to come in here and explain why you don't "do" mechanics, why you ragequit and why me raising this issue warrants the comparison that you made. Looking forward to your input and your thoughts on the matter.

The guy likely rage quit because any group that dies on that boss is likely really bad and in for a hard run.

So he rage quit because the group was dying to a mechanic he wasn't turning off? That is like him going in as the healer, not healing anyone. Then rage quitting because the healing in the group sucks.

Dymence · July 2017

*** pug is ***. There is nothing to debate.

Magıc · July 2017

Nifty2g wrote: »

Tank doesn't have to do anything at all at that point, may as well help out so healer can heal, he isn't wrong in the scenario.

But in future you gotta do mechanics once you reach end game, so gotta start some where.

Logic like this is why Mundus got destroyed on the scoreboards & MC forced you to quit.

Kurkikohtaus · July 2017

ToxicPAWS wrote: »

I don't think your calling out the Healer here will be answered,

I will give the healer some credit, he saw the topic and PM'd me.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

The guy likely rage quit because any group that dies on that boss is likely really bad and in for a hard run.

First of all, we did not wipe. Secondly, a lifted DD died on the boss because the healer who was right next to the alter did not take 5 steps to deactivate it. Twice.

Gargath wrote: »

Best way is ask everyone before each boss if they know what to do, if they know boss mechanics.

Agreed, but the point is that this healer "doesn't do mechanics".

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Let's face it, if any group member feels like mechanics are not his/her job, then I seriously doubt that they spend time on the forums (here or otherwise).

That was my initial thought, but then somehow I thought that this type of person is very likely to read the forums, if only to troll other sensible people. And indeed, he PM'd me.

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With regards to the healer quitting, I registered that someone instigated a vote to kick (it wasn't me) after the healer wrote his infamous line. Before I had a chance to vote yes, the healer quit on his own accord.

paulsimonps · July 2017

Magıc wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Tank doesn't have to do anything at all at that point, may as well help out so healer can heal, he isn't wrong in the scenario.

But in future you gotta do mechanics once you reach end game, so gotta start some where.

Logic like this is why Mundus got destroyed on the scoreboards & MC forced you to quit.

He isn't wrong though, the Boss is 100% immune to everything, even taunts, so if the tank can, he too should help in turning of the mechanics, I do it all the time. Both Healer and Tank weren't doing their part in doing the actual mechanics of the fight, and the DPS's were left to fend for themselves. The healer could have helped too since it he was closer, but that does not take away niftys point that the tank wasn't helping either.

Ep1kMalware · July 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Best way is ask everyone before each boss if they know what to do, if they know boss mechanics. Quick runs in random groups are the worst. Then you will see what you can expect. In case you see someone might not understand their role, ask for 2 minutes time and explain as fast as possible what must be done.
Better than asking the healer in chat what he was doing after a fight, is to ask him before or during the fight to activate the altar. If he refuses or just won't do it by purpose - vote kick for him and put to ignore list.

Must be a pc thing. On ps4 nobody respons, tanks dw and spam light attacks, and healers are all narcissistic *** with sociopathic tendencies. They also hurt the team more than help.

On console I recomend playing a solid performance dd build and wither queing as a tank/healer. You'll only get 1 of the toxic group members amd 2 dds pulling 5k dps. So, prepare to carry.

Seriously since morrowind you have to carry almost every group. Tanks/healers arent tanking/healing so take one out of the equation and live with the other.

JamieAubrey · July 2017

I need to use this line in everyday use

Rahotu · July 2017

I don't do mechanics either,have you seen how much they charge?